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Forever ETC wrote:

DAMIOS82 wrote:

Actually consoles are holding it back. In the birth year of dust, there where many great ideas that simply where not implemented due to the constraines and the limits of the ps3. Even now half the problems still exist within the game due to the limits of the console. If dust would have been on the PC from the beginning we would be playing a hole different game, Better graphics, less lag and a hole lot more toys to play with, along with better and more maps. Not to mention updates that could be done when ever they felt like it. And i'm sure there are many more reasons.
The point is consoles are a waist of funds, manpower and resources that could be better spend on a pc stable version.

Imagine Eve on a console, it would send it 5 years back in time, with a hole lot less to play with. Now imagine Dust on a PC, it would send it flying into the future.

First a good game must be created on the PC, with better webs woven into Eve. Then they should consider porting to consoles. First A then Z not the other way around.

OW and CCP Rip the band aid allready and PORT DUST514 to the PC

Considering they hand no FPS, console, and cell architecture experience... It was clear DUST was going to fail. The PS3 was already a hard console to work with. Reason why you only saw Sony making great games because they built the damn thing, then the rest followed the later years. Yes, DUST would have been better off on PC at the start since they had a base, but that doesn't mean it can't be done on consoles. If CCP hired people with console experience and marketing it would have been a different story too.


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Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 18	Posted - 2015.10.30 22:20:00 - [1] - Quote catsrule wrote: You know the ps4 is 43x better than PS3? It has 8 gb ram, and uses two main processors by amd, it also has around 152 smaller processors to handle certain tasks, talk about speed,. Imagine if dust had that hardware to work off of, 1080p lag less battles? Sign me up! #PORTDUST514. http://youtu.be/j-eVnP-Om3s 8GB GDDR5 unified system and video RAM 8 core Jaguar CPU running at 1.6Ghz A GPU that is about equivalent to an R9 270x It's not really a powerhouse, but it's definitely much stronger than the PS3. Ripley Riley: > Post Hotfix Foxour Gallente Assault: > DakkadakkadakkadakkaFREEDOMdakkadakka
Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 18	Posted - 2015.10.30 22:24:00 - [2] - Quote Mortedeamor wrote: Cat Merc wrote: catsrule wrote: You know the ps4 is 43x better than PS3? It has 8 gb ram, and uses two main processors by amd, it also has around 152 smaller processors to handle certain tasks, talk about speed,. Imagine if dust had that hardware to work off of, 1080p lag less battles? Sign me up! #PORTDUST514. http://youtu.be/j-eVnP-Om3s 8GB GDDR5 unified system and video RAM 8 core Jaguar CPU running at 1.6Ghz A GPU that is about equivalent to an R9 270x It's not really a powerhouse, but it's definitely much stronger than the PS3. not really a powerhouse common i thought cats were colder than that its a piece of kitten Not really. That hardware still packs a punch considering it's in a tiny box (smaller than my PS3 slim) that's often sold for less than 350$. The CPU and GPU being packed so close together also has some interesting benefits for communication between the two. Sony is also developing a low level API akin to DirectX12 to lessen the impact of its anemic CPU. It's an interesting piece of engineering work if nothing else. Ripley Riley: > Post Hotfix Foxour Gallente Assault: > DakkadakkadakkadakkaFREEDOMdakkadakka
Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 18	Posted - 2015.10.30 22:34:00 - [3] - Quote Mortedeamor wrote: i just find i like to keep myself on the cutting edge and consoles are about a decade behind whats cutting edge Bull. A decade ago the 360 and PS3 were cutting edge. No PC was at their level . You can't tell me the PS3 > PS4 Ripley Riley: > Post Hotfix Foxour Gallente Assault: > DakkadakkadakkadakkaFREEDOMdakkadakka
Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 18	Posted - 2015.10.30 22:52:00 - [4] - Quote Morte, you're screaming up and down about how superior your PC is, but have you considered the price and hassle? I spent a solid 1500$ on my machine, and I expect it to be better than my PS4. But the PS4 is more affordable, no hassle required (yaaay troubleshooting), and is nice and compact. It's a very nice package and no wonder it's the fastest selling console in history. As for the performance, you can definitely get 60FPS out of the PS4, just don't expect top notch visuals. This is what Halo 5 looks like: http://static3.gamespot.com/uploads/original/1197/11970954/2916607-h5-guardians-warzone-arc-combined-fire.jpg This runs at absolute rock solid 60FPS on the Xbox One, a console that's weaker than the PS4. It's not top notch graphics, but it still looks very nice. CCP's main problem with the PS3 was not the processing power (though that was still an issue). The absolute biggest problem for them was RAM limitations. The PS4 won't have that issue, it's the first console in history that doesn't have a very tight amount of RAM for its time. Your machine might have 32GB, but most desktop these days are sitting at 8GB, so you can't expect CCP to utilize more than that. Ripley Riley: > Post Hotfix Foxour Gallente Assault: > DakkadakkadakkadakkaFREEDOMdakkadakka
Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 18	Posted - 2015.10.31 18:07:00 - [5] - Quote Mortedeamor wrote: 3 are taken up by the os..(which is insane) https://i.imgur.com/D5z8TdU.png I have Hex Chat, Skype and 8 chrome tabs open. Granted 3 of them are 1080@60fps youtube videos, and another is a stream from twitch, but that still only amounts to a gig or so. I have yet to encounter a game that cares even though I have Chrome open basically 24/7. Ripley Riley: > Post Hotfix Foxour Gallente Assault: > DakkadakkadakkadakkaFREEDOMdakkadakka
Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 18	Posted - 2015.10.31 18:12:00 - [6] - Quote Count- -Crotchula wrote: Mortedeamor wrote: Count- -Crotchula wrote: i'm not banking on it, in fact I sold my PS4, gave my old PS3 away and bought a new PS3. why? never played PS4, got too hot, constant updates, short controller battery life, didn't like the controller, games still in 30fps and 720p My PS4 runs warm, not really hot, and it updates in its sleep mode so I basically never have to deal with it. Controller life was a pain until I discovered that you can reduce the brightness of the light at the front, now I can get an entire day of gaming out of it. 30FPS @ 720p basically doesn't happen anymore, that's complete bull. I don't have a single game in my library that is less than 1080p. Ripley Riley: > Post Hotfix Foxour Gallente Assault: > DakkadakkadakkadakkaFREEDOMdakkadakka
Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 18	Posted - 2015.10.31 18:21:00 - [7] - Quote Morte, let me tell you a little story that happened less than 12 hours ago. I downloaded an update for BF4, played a little bit, and got a hard lock crash. Nothing to worry about, ** happens, and I rebooted my system. Suddenly, I'm getting BSOD within 5 minutes every time I turn on my machine. It just refuses to stay up. The error messages were always different so I couldn't track it down to one cause. I restarted my machine 5 times until I decided this isn't going away. Went into BIOS, downclocked my RAM because this sounded to me like faulty RAM and went on ahead into Windows. It worked for a few hours, so I decided I probably have a faulty RAM stick and left it on memtest86 overnight. Woke up tomrrow morning, my RAM didn't return a single error. Boot up my PC, try to open MSI Afterburner (because I wanted to monitor my GPU in a test), and for some reason it just completely hard freezes my system. The moment it opens, boom, hard freeze. Reinstalling it did nothing. I went into BIOS, and tried to clock my RAM back up. It works. No system instability. But MSI afterburner still crashes. I was curious, and went back into BIOS to maybe try to overclock my CPU (which previously topped out at 4.4Ghz). Suddenly it's running completely stable in 4.5Ghz. All of this headache within 12 hours, is more headache than I've had with any console in my entire lifetime. Do you see what I mean by hassle? Do you think the average person would be able to diagnose and correct any of this before getting frustrated and just saying "fuck this"? This is why I like consoles. A simple fallback for when you want to play games that almost never fails. When they do it's a shock, when a PC fails it's "business as usual, time to troubleshoot". Ripley Riley:** > Post Hotfix Foxour Gallente Assault: > DakkadakkadakkadakkaFREEDOMdakkadakka
Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 18	Posted - 2015.10.31 18:27:00 - [8] - Quote da GAND wrote: XxBlazikenxX wrote: Okay, I want to settle all of this master race and console peasants nonsense. Why in the world can we not have Dust on both platforms? We can and it would be pretty cool, many PC only gamers are right to be worried about the PS4 holding back Legions progress while othera just hate console gaming and gamers. The PS4 hardware is stuck where it is forever while if CCP wants to strech the games limits it may require better hardware which PC gamers dont have too much of a problem with as long as they dont have to constantly upgrade their rigs. I thinks its way too late to leave console gamers behind, its unfortunate that we'll have to deal with the PS4 hardwares limit (whatever that limit is) but it would only be fair. PS4 hardware is more than capable of whatever CCP wants to do with it. Heck even the PS3 would be somewhat ok if it only had more RAM. There's a thing called diminishing returns and we've hit that plateau with graphics long ago. The PS4 can handle whatever CCP wants to throw at it, as long as they don't go insane with 4k textures and tessellation on every single rock. As for the PS4/PC thing, the main concerns in my book are these: 1. Controls 2. Cheaters 1.M/K wins against controllers, hands down. If both exist at the same time, then the console players won't be able to be competitive like they are today using controllers. The M/K implementation in DUST right now is terrible but it would not be acceptable in a PC release. 2. Cheaters. They're a big issue on PC, and DUST is going to be an absolutely prime target for cheaters. A Free 2 Play game with permanent loss and territory control? AND it can affect another game positively/negatively? This is like a cheater's heaven. Do lasting damage, create another account for free, do more lasting damage. Ripley Riley: > Post Hotfix Foxour Gallente Assault: > DakkadakkadakkadakkaFREEDOMdakkadakka
Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 18	Posted - 2015.10.31 18:37:00 - [9] - Quote Mortedeamor wrote: now did you go to the battle field forums and see if somone had already worked through this problem why were you so convinced it was a hardware problem afterall it was a battlefield update that caused the game to crash correct? I have, I've seen no mention of this. Mortedeamor wrote: i see you waste of time as an inappropriate reaction to the probelm have you solved it ? is something wrong with your pc? i just did a quick google search that says battle field 4 has one major bug left in the pc port which causes dirrect x to crash when your gpu is overclocked ..is your gpu overclocked? try default gpu settings if so... My GPU is overclocked, but that isn't the same problem as the one you googled. That problem causes CTD, my problem was BSOD's every 5 minutes upon turning on my machine. Mortedeamor wrote: pcs have a lot more options than consoles which can make things more complicated i do not see that as a bad thing i realize some people dont want to have to deal with that catmerc and that is a very valid point i simply dont find it even remotely tedious ..a small price to pay for the amount of options you get the overall power and the customization.. i would check to see if your gpu is overclocked battlefiel is a ported game its had 2 major updates that have fixed most all crash errors ...but as far as i read that one is still around... i dont play battlefield at all on my pc yet getting into arma 3 I don't disagree with you. I love my PC, I love tweaking it, I love the power I have over it to adjust it just the way I like it. I wouldn't have spent 1500$ on one if I didn't. But we're in the minority, most people just want to get back from work, sit on a couch (or desk), and play their favorite game expecting it to just work. The PS4 IS pointless for us, people who are tech savvy and love the tweaking, but it's not intended for us. Ripley Riley: > Post Hotfix Foxour Gallente Assault: > DakkadakkadakkadakkaFREEDOMdakkadakka
Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 18	Posted - 2015.10.31 18:41:00 - [10] - Quote Mortedeamor wrote: we have cheaters now they can put some effort in to prevent bots from being used has been done before No we don't. Whenever someone claims there are cheaters in DUST we just laugh at them on go on our merry way. Cheating on consoles is infinitely more expensive and time consuming than on PC, and it's easier to get rid of them (console bans). And while CCP has experience with dealing with botters in EVE, this is a completely different can of worms that I doubt CCP can successfully tackle when no one managed to do it for two decades. First person shooters are incredibly susceptive to cheating due to the nature of their gameplay, far more than pretty much any other genre, and successfully combating them in one game doesn't necessarily translate directly to the other. Ripley Riley: > Post Hotfix Foxour Gallente Assault: > DakkadakkadakkadakkaFREEDOMdakkadakka

Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 18	Posted - 2015.10.31 20:26:00 - [11] - Quote Consoles aren't holding anything back. If anything they're making sure people can still play games on decently priced hardware. Developers don't get lazy, they try to squeeze as much as they can from consoles, and the PC benefits. Ripley Riley: > Post Hotfix Foxour Gallente Assault: > DakkadakkadakkadakkaFREEDOMdakkadakka
Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 18	Posted - 2015.10.31 21:35:00 - [12] - Quote DAMIOS82 wrote: Actually consoles are holding it back. In the birth year of dust, there where many great ideas that simply where not implemented due to the constraines and the limits of the ps3. Even now half the problems still exist within the game due to the limits of the console. If dust would have been on the PC from the beginning we would be playing a hole different game, Better graphics, less lag and a hole lot more toys to play with, along with better and more maps. Not to mention updates that could be done when ever they felt like it. And i'm sure there are many more reasons. The point is consoles are a waist of funds, manpower and resources that could be better spend on a pc stable version. Imagine Eve on a console, it would send it 5 years back in time, with a hole lot less to play with. Now imagine Dust on a PC, it would send it flying into the future. First a good game must be created on the PC, with better webs woven into Eve. Then they should consider porting to consoles. First A then Z not the other way around. OW and CCP Rip the band aid allready and PORT DUST514 to the PC PS3 was about 8 years old by the time DUST released. This isn't the console's fault, it's CCP's fault for releasing it on hardware that was around from when I was in 2nd grade. CCP Shanghai was also extremely mismanaged by every account, and most of the blame can be put on that. So no, we wouldn't have the DUST we wanted because CCP themselves were incompetent. Under Rouge and Rattati it could be very different, but if the same team that was responsible for DUST before them was to tackle a PC DUST, what we would get wouldn't be much better. PS4 is 2 years old, and it's based on x86 so porting would be extremely easy to any future console. Ripley Riley: > Post Hotfix Foxour Gallente Assault: > DakkadakkadakkadakkaFREEDOMdakkadakka
Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 18	Posted - 2015.10.31 21:43:00 - [13] - Quote Forever ETC wrote: DAMIOS82 wrote: Actually consoles are holding it back. In the birth year of dust, there where many great ideas that simply where not implemented due to the constraines and the limits of the ps3. Even now half the problems still exist within the game due to the limits of the console. If dust would have been on the PC from the beginning we would be playing a hole different game, Better graphics, less lag and a hole lot more toys to play with, along with better and more maps. Not to mention updates that could be done when ever they felt like it. And i'm sure there are many more reasons. The point is consoles are a waist of funds, manpower and resources that could be better spend on a pc stable version. Imagine Eve on a console, it would send it 5 years back in time, with a hole lot less to play with. Now imagine Dust on a PC, it would send it flying into the future. First a good game must be created on the PC, with better webs woven into Eve. Then they should consider porting to consoles. First A then Z not the other way around. OW and CCP Rip the band aid allready and PORT DUST514 to the PC Considering they hand no FPS, console, and cell architecture experience... It was clear DUST was going to fail. The PS3 was already a hard console to work with. Reason why you only saw Sony making great games because they built the damn thing, then the rest followed the later years. Yes, DUST would have been better off on PC at the start since they had a base, but that doesn't mean it can't be done on consoles. If CCP hired people with console experience and marketing it would have been a different story too. Oh no, CCP's vision definitely could not be fulfilled on the PS3. It simply could not handle everything they wanted to fit on it. There comes a point where you need to stop looking at optimization and start looking at better hardware, and DUST + PS3 was definitely that point. Ripley Riley: > Post Hotfix Foxour Gallente Assault: > DakkadakkadakkadakkaFREEDOMdakkadakka
Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 18	Posted - 2015.10.31 23:29:00 - [14] - Quote No, mismanagement went beyond PS3 things. It was just horrible, if even half of what I've heard from CPM is true, it's a miracle we managed to get >anywhere<. It also wouldn't take many resources, at all, to port. Evidenced by the quick and easy ports being done from PC to PS4 (Warthunder, Warframe) What we have now is extraordinary. If the game is to be ported, it needs to be completely rebuilt, not just ported as is, because the game is simply bad compared to modern standards in many aspects - and management knows that. Built right, in the future we wouldn't need that, a port could be done fairly quickly. And I\m not talking about PS4 handling DUST >now<, I'm talking PS4 handling every single promise CCP made about DUST since they first mentioned it. 5x5km maps, large scale combined arms, everything. There isn't much you can't do on modern hardware if you aren't looking for top notch visuals. As for cheaters, CCP cracked down HARD on botters, I have no idea where you're getting that idea from. There's nothing healthy about cheaters, botters I can maybe see in a stretch, but cheaters just ruin the game for everyone. And I HIGHLY doubt that CCP can do anything about them. Two decades of online games and I've yet to see an FPS game that wasn't eventually infested with cheaters. Even games like CSGO, the second most popular game on steam, in which Valve has every interest to crack down on cheaters, was affected so much by cheaters that in a big ban wave, everybody suddenly went up 1-2 ranks above their usual rank, because the cheaters were keeping them down. And that's a paid game, with absolutely zero effect on anything. Ripley Riley: > Post Hotfix Foxour Gallente Assault: > DakkadakkadakkadakkaFREEDOMdakkadakka