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Tesfa Alem Death by Disassociation 1	Posted - 2015.10.29 05:51:00 - [1] - Quote Screw. You. Guys tell me how hard it is to hit dropships again. Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me. "I sometimes wonder why I share stuff "- CCP Rattati
Summa Militum Abstract Requiem 1	Posted - 2015.10.29 06:08:00 - [2] - Quote Tesfa Alem wrote: Screw. You. Guys tell me how hard it is to hit dropships again. Your images are not publicly available. Your Link means nothing to me right now.
Tesfa Alem Death by Disassociation 1	Posted - 2015.10.29 06:15:00 - [3] - Quote Summa Militum wrote: Tesfa Alem wrote: Screw. You. Guys tell me how hard it is to hit dropships again. Your images are not publicly available. Your Link means nothing to me right now. Fixed Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me. "I sometimes wonder why I share stuff "- CCP Rattati
DogeGode Master 133	Posted - 2015.10.29 06:26:00 - [4] - Quote That was just how far away the guy was when he killed you. I doubt you just stood still when you were swarmed and killed. Totally not an alt.
Summa Militum Abstract Requiem 1	Posted - 2015.10.29 06:36:00 - [5] - Quote Tesfa Alem wrote: Screw. You. Guys tell me how hard it is to hit dropships again. That distance.
Tesfa Alem Death by Disassociation 1	Posted - 2015.10.29 06:42:00 - [6] - Quote DogeGode Master wrote: That was just how far away the guy was when he killed you. I doubt you just stood still when you were swarmed and killed. The range he killed me from is the point of the pic. 400m is supposed to be the maximum swarm flight range.most maps are not even 516 m wide, and this was not one of them. To put it in an infantry perspective, forge gun rounds dissappear at 300m, you would be just as shocked to get forge gun sniped at 400m. Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me. "I sometimes wonder why I share stuff "- CCP Rattati
Demandred Moores Fatal Absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 221	Posted - 2015.10.29 06:44:00 - [7] - Quote Pretty much all I do is ads, av as is doesn't really bother me. riseofancientFA.gs
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens Imperium Eden 4	Posted - 2015.10.29 07:26:00 - [8] - Quote Well, you actually died yes? My guess is that they hit you at some distance and you fell away from the shooter when you finally popped. Perhaps you fell 150+ meters. "This is B.S! This is B.S! I paid money! Cash money, dollars money, cash money!"
duster 35000 487	Posted - 2015.10.29 07:38:00 - [9] - Quote Tesfa Alem wrote: Screw. You. Guys tell me how hard it is to hit dropships again. or how even with a hardener incubus get 3 shotted, or 4 Molestia approved. We'll bang ok?
Baal Omniscient Qualified Scrub 2	Posted - 2015.10.29 07:41:00 - [10] - Quote Tesfa Alem wrote: DogeGode Master wrote: That was just how far away the guy was when he killed you. I doubt you just stood still when you were swarmed and killed. The range he killed me from is the point of the pic. 400m is supposed to be the maximum swarm flight range.most maps are not even 516 m wide, and this was not one of them. To put it in an infantry perspective, forge gun rounds dissappear at 300m, you would be just as shocked to get forge gun sniped at 400m. This is how far away you were from the swarmer when you died. Meaning while technically you died that far away, that's not how far the swarms flew. That's how far away from the swarmer you got before dying. Including the distance your dropship glided on the way down. añ¼añ+añ¦-añ¬añ+añƒañ¦-añÿañ¿añ+añ+añ¦-añªañ+añùañ¿aÑìaññ *"Baal comes...and destruction follows him like a storm."* añ¿añ+añ¦añ¿aÑìaññañ¦añ+añ¿aÑìañºañòañ+añ¦añ+aññ-añªañ+añùañ¿aÑìaññ-añ¦añ¦añÖaÑìañù

Trooper X TROOPER Corp X 24	Posted - 2015.10.29 07:42:00 - [11] - Quote Swarm lock is 150m... You the pilot has to be within range and stay in range for 4+ volleys from the swarm to kill you and take you down... If you die in a DS or ADS now, its pilot error not the swarmers that really killed you... You have the whole sky to fly about in. The 150m hot zone is just that, a hot zone..... learn to fly at 152m off the ground and you'll never be hit by a SL again... The SL got nerfed from 400 lock-on range down to 150. The damage was nerfed... The turn angle was nerfed... Any more nerfing and throwing grenades will be the only AV weapons against dropships.... I can't believe i'm saying this but, 'git gud'..... TROOPER Corp X - Solo Merc - Blueberry Corp
Sleepy Shadow Qualified Scrub 404	Posted - 2015.10.29 07:44:00 - [12] - Quote Joseph Ridgeson wrote: Well, you actually died yes? My guess is that they hit you at some distance and you fell away from the shooter when you finally popped. Perhaps you fell 150+ meters. This is my thoughts as well. I have never seen a dropship just fall from the sky like a brick when they are flying away as they have forward momentum. So when youGÇÖre hit and you start flying away, all the distance you go before your dropship goes boom is added to that screen. "I have never gotten a kill assist by fluxing a wall" - Baal Omniscient
V1RONXSS X-SENSE Security 81	Posted - 2015.10.29 08:03:00 - [13] - Quote Well yes, sometimes they fallow you and even hit you. The "Chiki Briki v Damki" Starter Pack.
Tesfa Alem Death by Disassociation 1	Posted - 2015.10.29 08:22:00 - [14] - Quote me: "hey guys heres a picture showing an exceptional case where a swarm acted far outside the norm" forums: "What? Get Gud, that be normal. Thats your fault, you must have fallen 116m son, don't believe your own lying eyes, let me tell you about how your dropship went down. Not being there is beside the point! Swarms don't bother me son what you talking about? Finnally lose your stupid OP dropship? Whine whine troll troll." G.D. you wonderful magical place. Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me. "I sometimes wonder why I share stuff "- CCP Rattati
Baal Omniscient Qualified Scrub 2	Posted - 2015.10.29 09:05:00 - [15] - Quote Tesfa Alem wrote: me: "hey guys heres a picture showing an exceptional case where a swarm acted far outside the norm" forums: "What? Get Gud, that be normal. Thats your fault, you must have fallen 116m son, don't believe your own lying eyes, let me tell you about how your dropship went down. Not being there is beside the point! Swarms don't bother me son what you talking about? Finnally lose your stupid OP dropship? Whine whine troll troll." G.D. you wonderful magical place. I don't believe I said anything of the sort. I merely explained how this happened. The same happens with other weapons too: MINA Longstrike wrote: You realise that if you walk away from a projectile after it's shot it still counts towards the 'range' listed on the kill as it only tracks where you were and where the target was when the kill was registered. He wasn't the squadlead - I was and all he was running was commando with AR + PLC, so the AR getting the kill isn't a possibility. I'm also very aware that the plasma cannon projectile disappears after 200m, but if the readout is saying 236 because you turned around and walked away after firing it it still counts, so yeah, 236.4m longer than its actual range because the guy was able to confidently walk away after a single shot. ^Quote from this old thread: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2235210#post2235210 Because you kept flying after taking fatal damage, plus the quite high probability that the AV player was also on the move, you ended up getting a range that was much higher than the max range of the swarms. The problem of the trolls coming out is on your head since you blamed the swarms themselves for the range inerrency when it had nothing to do with them. When you use derisive language to complain about something, you can't expect people to respond curteously. You have no one to blame for that but yourself, so your trolling QQ is invalid. añ¼añ+añ¦-añ¬añ+añƒañ¦-añÿañ¿añ+añ+añ¦-añªañ+añùañ¿aÑìaññ *"Baal comes...and destruction follows him like a storm."* añ¿añ+añ¦añ¿aÑìaññañ¦añ+añ¿aÑìañºañòañ+añ¦añ+aññ-añªañ+añùañ¿aÑìaññ-añ¦añ¦añÖaÑìañù
Tesfa Alem Death by Disassociation 1	Posted - 2015.10.29 09:56:00 - [16] - Quote Baal Omniscient wrote: Tesfa Alem wrote: me: "hey guys heres a picture showing an exceptional case where a swarm acted far outside the norm" forums: "What? Get Gud, that be normal. Thats your fault, you must have fallen 116m son, don't believe your own lying eyes, let me tell you about how your dropship went down. Not being there is beside the point! Swarms don't bother me son what you talking about? Finnally lose your stupid OP dropship? Whine whine troll troll." G.D. you wonderful magical place. I don't believe I said anything of the sort. I merely explained how this happened. The same happens with other weapons too: MINA Longstrike wrote: You realise that if you walk away from a projectile after it's shot it still counts towards the 'range' listed on the kill as it only tracks where you were and where the target was when the kill was registered. He wasn't the squadlead - I was and all he was running was commando with AR + PLC, so the AR getting the kill isn't a possibility. I'm also very aware that the plasma cannon projectile disappears after 200m, but if the readout is saying 236 because you turned around and walked away after firing it it still counts, so yeah, 236.4m longer than its actual range because the guy was able to confidently walk away after a single shot. ^Quote from this old thread: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2235210#post2235210 Because you kept flying after taking fatal damage, plus the quite high probability that the AV player was also on the move, you ended up getting a range that was much higher than the max range of the swarms. The problem of the trolls coming out is on your head since you blamed the swarms themselves for the range inerrency when it had nothing to do with them. When you use derisive language to complain about something, you can't expect people to respond curteously. You have no one to blame for that but yourself, so your trolling QQ is invalid. As anectdotal as this is going to sound, i've been hit plenty and shot down plenty by swarms over the years. Seen quite a relatively few 400+ m ranges, getting hit at max ranges and crashing is all a part of the game. 500+ m is unheard of. Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me. "I sometimes wonder why I share stuff "- CCP Rattati
Baal Omniscient Qualified Scrub 2	Posted - 2015.10.29 10:12:00 - [17] - Quote Tesfa Alem wrote: Baal Omniscient wrote: Tesfa Alem wrote: me: "hey guys heres a picture showing an exceptional case where a swarm acted far outside the norm" forums: "What? Get Gud, that be normal. Thats your fault, you must have fallen 116m son, don't believe your own lying eyes, let me tell you about how your dropship went down. Not being there is beside the point! Swarms don't bother me son what you talking about? Finnally lose your stupid OP dropship? Whine whine troll troll." G.D. you wonderful magical place. I don't believe I said anything of the sort. I merely explained how this happened. The same happens with other weapons too: MINA Longstrike wrote: You realise that if you walk away from a projectile after it's shot it still counts towards the 'range' listed on the kill as it only tracks where you were and where the target was when the kill was registered. He wasn't the squadlead - I was and all he was running was commando with AR + PLC, so the AR getting the kill isn't a possibility. I'm also very aware that the plasma cannon projectile disappears after 200m, but if the readout is saying 236 because you turned around and walked away after firing it it still counts, so yeah, 236.4m longer than its actual range because the guy was able to confidently walk away after a single shot. ^Quote from this old thread: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2235210#post2235210 Because you kept flying after taking fatal damage, plus the quite high probability that the AV player was also on the move, you ended up getting a range that was much higher than the max range of the swarms. The problem of the trolls coming out is on your head since you blamed the swarms themselves for the range inerrency when it had nothing to do with them. When you use derisive language to complain about something, you can't expect people to respond curteously. You have no one to blame for that but yourself, so your trolling QQ is invalid. As anectdotal as this is going to sound, i've been hit plenty and shot down plenty by swarms over the years. Seen quite a relatively few 400+ m ranges, getting hit at max ranges and crashing is all a part of the game. 500+ m is unheard of. If something is unheard of and yet it still happens, then logically the circumstances involved must have been incredibly unique. Maybe he lagged hard and rubberbanded across the map, maybe he hopped into a LAV next to him and made a mad dash for the redline to change fits, maybe he was already calling in his own ADS when he fired and got in and sped away in another direction while his swarms were flying, maybe the game errored and miscalculated the distance. There are plenty of alternatives to 'swarms are busted and flying further than they should' that don't involve immediately jumping to the worst case scenario. añ¼añ+añ¦-añ¬añ+añƒañ¦-añÿañ¿añ+añ+añ¦-añªañ+añùañ¿aÑìaññ *"Baal comes...and destruction follows him like a storm."* añ¿añ+añ¦añ¿aÑìaññañ¦añ+añ¿aÑìañºañòañ+añ¦añ+aññ-añªañ+añùañ¿aÑìaññ-añ¦añ¦añÖaÑìañù
Mortishai Belmont G.L.O.R.Y 1	Posted - 2015.10.29 11:13:00 - [18] - Quote I think they should make you maintain lock-on or just take swarms out of the game. They are a no-skill weapon. The C.E.O. of G.L.O.R.Y, (~..)~ Now on Youtube ~(..~)
Tesfa Alem Death by Disassociation 1	Posted - 2015.10.29 12:06:00 - [19] - Quote Baal Omniscient wrote: Tesfa Alem wrote: Baal Omniscient wrote: Tesfa Alem wrote: me: "hey guys heres a picture showing an exceptional case where a swarm acted far outside the norm" forums: "What? Get Gud, that be normal. Thats your fault, you must have fallen 116m son, don't believe your own lying eyes, let me tell you about how your dropship went down. Not being there is beside the point! Swarms don't bother me son what you talking about? Finnally lose your stupid OP dropship? Whine whine troll troll." G.D. you wonderful magical place. I don't believe I said anything of the sort. I merely explained how this happened. The same happens with other weapons too: MINA Longstrike wrote: You realise that if you walk away from a projectile after it's shot it still counts towards the 'range' listed on the kill as it only tracks where you were and where the target was when the kill was registered. He wasn't the squadlead - I was and all he was running was commando with AR + PLC, so the AR getting the kill isn't a possibility. I'm also very aware that the plasma cannon projectile disappears after 200m, but if the readout is saying 236 because you turned around and walked away after firing it it still counts, so yeah, 236.4m longer than its actual range because the guy was able to confidently walk away after a single shot. ^Quote from this old thread: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2235210#post2235210 Because you kept flying after taking fatal damage, plus the quite high probability that the AV player was also on the move, you ended up getting a range that was much higher than the max range of the swarms. The problem of the trolls coming out is on your head since you blamed the swarms themselves for the range inerrency when it had nothing to do with them. When you use derisive language to complain about something, you can't expect people to respond curteously. You have no one to blame for that but yourself, so your trolling QQ is invalid. As anectdotal as this is going to sound, i've been hit plenty and shot down plenty by swarms over the years. Seen quite a relatively few 400+ m ranges, getting hit at max ranges and crashing is all a part of the game. 500+ m is unheard of. If something is unheard of and yet it still happens, then logically the circumstances involved must have been incredibly unique. Maybe he lagged hard and rubberbanded across the map, maybe he hopped into a LAV next to him and made a mad dash for the redline to change fits, maybe he was already calling in his own ADS when he fired and got in and sped away in another direction while his swarms were flying, maybe the game errored and miscalculated the distance. There are plenty of alternatives to 'swarms are busted and flying further than they should' that don't involve immediately jumping to the worst case scenario. I never said "swarms are busted and are flying father than they should." I did show a picture where a swarm is busted and did fly father than it should, but i never stated it was consistent feature of Dust. You quoted me when i said "a picture showing an exceptional case where a swarm acted far outside the norm." You still ignore the "exceptional" and the "outside of the norm" and jump straight to "Swarms are busted" That angle is one that you came up with and are getting defensive about. I'm not bringing up balance issues or damage issues, flight time or lock ranges, AV vs V stats, Just showing "here is a crazy moment that should not exist" It like if somebody posted a video that shows how tanks can spontaneously explode on certain areas of the map and you went into a overly long post concerning tank balance, tank cost effectiveness, tank manuevering and balance vs infantry. Valid discussions they may be in thier own right but irellevant to the topic at hand. Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me. "I sometimes wonder why I share stuff "- CCP Rattati
Moochie Cricket Fatal Absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 1	Posted - 2015.10.29 12:11:00 - [20] - Quote Swarms suck, dropships suck, and Dust sucks. Caldari REALLY 514

Baal Omniscient Qualified Scrub 2	Posted - 2015.10.29 12:24:00 - [21] - Quote Tesfa Alem wrote: Baal Omniscient wrote: Tesfa Alem wrote: Baal Omniscient wrote: I don't believe I said anything of the sort. I merely explained how this happened. The same happens with other weapons too: MINA Longstrike wrote: You realise that if you walk away from a projectile after it's shot it still counts towards the 'range' listed on the kill as it only tracks where you were and where the target was when the kill was registered. He wasn't the squadlead - I was and all he was running was commando with AR + PLC, so the AR getting the kill isn't a possibility. I'm also very aware that the plasma cannon projectile disappears after 200m, but if the readout is saying 236 because you turned around and walked away after firing it it still counts, so yeah, 236.4m longer than its actual range because the guy was able to confidently walk away after a single shot. ^Quote from this old thread: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2235210#post2235210 Because you kept flying after taking fatal damage, plus the quite high probability that the AV player was also on the move, you ended up getting a range that was much higher than the max range of the swarms. The problem of the trolls coming out is on your head since you blamed the swarms themselves for the range inerrency when it had nothing to do with them. When you use derisive language to complain about something, you can't expect people to respond curteously. You have no one to blame for that but yourself, so your trolling QQ is invalid. As anectdotal as this is going to sound, i've been hit plenty and shot down plenty by swarms over the years. Seen quite a relatively few 400+ m ranges, getting hit at max ranges and crashing is all a part of the game. 500+ m is unheard of. If something is unheard of and yet it still happens, then logically the circumstances involved must have been incredibly unique. Maybe he lagged hard and rubberbanded across the map, maybe he hopped into a LAV next to him and made a mad dash for the redline to change fits, maybe he was already calling in his own ADS when he fired and got in and sped away in another direction while his swarms were flying, maybe the game errored and miscalculated the distance. There are plenty of alternatives to 'swarms are busted and flying further than they should' that don't involve immediately jumping to the worst case scenario. I never said "swarms are busted and are flying father than they should." I did show a picture where a swarm is busted and did fly father than it should, but i never stated it was consistent feature of Dust. You quoted me when i said "a picture showing an exceptional case where a swarm acted far outside the norm." You still ignore the "exceptional" and the "outside of the norm" and jump straight to "Swarms are busted" That angle is one that you came up with and are getting defensive about. I'm not bringing up balance issues or damage issues, flight time or lock ranges, AV vs V stats, Just showing "here is a crazy moment that should not exist" It like if somebody posted a video that shows how tanks can spontaneously explode on certain areas of the map and you went into a overly long post concerning tank balance, tank cost effectiveness, tank manuevering and balance vs infantry. Valid discussions they may be in thier own right but irellevant to the topic at hand. The statement 'Screw. You. Guys tell me how hard it is to hit dropships again' directly implies that you do believe that it is a consistant feature. If you were being intentionally obtuse about the statement it is not the fault of those who responded to you for not knowing that. I can think of several different ways to say it in a clearer manner without suggesting swarms are broken, in fact so can you apparently since you just did: "here is a crazy moment that should not exist" I have in no way done anything but directly and openly respond to points you have brought up. If you were misunderstood in the intent of your post, perhaps you should change the title of your thread and your OP to reflect that. As it stands all anyone who reads it only see's is a 'swarms are broken' post because all you brought up was a swarm killing you out of it's natural range and you posting a few rage words about it. añ¼añ+añ¦-añ¬añ+añƒañ¦-añÿañ¿añ+añ+añ¦-añªañ+añùañ¿aÑìaññ *"Baal comes...and destruction follows him like a storm."* añ¿añ+añ¦añ¿aÑìaññañ¦añ+añ¿aÑìañºañòañ+añ¦añ+aññ-añªañ+añùañ¿aÑìaññ-añ¦añ¦añÖaÑìañù
FaustNeo Prima Gallicus 20	Posted - 2015.10.29 16:15:00 - [22] - Quote Moochie Cricket wrote: Swarms suck, dropships suck, and Dust sucks. FTFY
Garcon lyfe G.R.A.V.E The Ditanian Alliance 61	Posted - 2015.10.29 16:26:00 - [23] - Quote Mortishai Belmont wrote: I think they should make you maintain lock-on or just take swarms out of the game. They are a no-skill weapon. Wow your...something special, swarms barely can kill ads all they are is area of denial weapon (so just fly into the sky) yea there a no skill weapon cause the killing probabilty is so low that i be suprised if there was one! i know there is just saying GTC (Galactic Trade Center) The last trading site you will need! http://www.dust514gtc.enjin.com
Vulpes Dolosus Fatal Absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 3	Posted - 2015.10.29 16:28:00 - [24] - Quote Shame less plug: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2934275#post2934275 My DS/ADS Training post in Rookie Help. Feel free to browse, inquire, or contribute. Dust is there! I was real! Dear diary, Rattati senpai noticed me today~


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