DUST Search - Feedback: Amarr Commando balancing

Malleus Malificorum wrote:

maybe deadcatz wrote:

XxBlazikenxX wrote:

maybe deadcatz wrote:

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The amarr commando is perfectly fine,the problem is the damn gun being a piece of junk on other suits. Its the damn over heat and the fact that it does too much damage to armour and is given its retard3d heat build up as a counter because people crying that they were dying to fast in ther sheild suits.

The Amarr Commando is not fine, as noted by how 21/24 people I interviewed stated the Amarr Commando was UP.

1.why invest in amarr commando? The hp? Psh,armour plates. The laser waffles? Amarr assault does it better and more versatile.
2 anything the amarr commando can do with a scrambler rifle,the assualt can do better.
3 innate damage bonus to lasers? The amarr assult does have THREE HIGH slots. And the scrambler/laser rifle do more than enough damage to sheilds and a little too much to armour.

Face it. The way the scrambler rifle is now with its heat buildup theres no point spending 3mill rough sp to get proto commandos. Lower the heat buildup and damage of the scrambler and maybe we'll have a use for the amarr commando other than being a pretty ornament/blue moon. Because the scrambler just isnt suited to the suit bonus anymore. No suit other than the assult is able kill anything over 500 arnour and not overheat.

Speaking as a person who has had amarr commando at 5 since they didn't even have *slots*, this probably makes me one of maybe ten people who had amarr commando at max level at that time, and as someone who used to play with Aero Yassavi - the original amarr commando - quite often.

The Amarr commando is really ONLY restricted by the weapons available to it (and the fact that the assault uses ONE of those weapons better than a commando at a time). Amarr commando is actually quite durable and rather strong, though it suffers in the repair department, using both a laser rifle and a scrambler rifle the amarr commando is an INCREDIBLY versatile 'all ranges' fighter (surpassing what ANY other commando can do).

Yes the Amarr assault can do similar damage up until the point that the commando has to stop firing and only surpasses the commandos output afterwards, but it lacks the extreme reloading speed (on weapon types that do require frequent reloading) and moreover it lacks the versatility the commando has. An amarr assault using a laser rifle is predictable, it has to stay at its 'safe' range, an amarr commando can fire the laser rifle while closing with its target then switch over to a scrambler and melt them there.

It would be beneficial for ALL amarr dropsuits to have new light, heavy and sidearm weapons introduced (preferably one or two that don't have 'heat' as a major mechanic), rather than having to tweak constantly because of the bonuses on a single suit.

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XxBlazikenxX Pure Evil. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 3	Posted - 2015.10.28 17:14:00 - [1] - Quote So, I have gotten feedback from the community, and the general consensus is that the Amarr Commando is underpowered, and the reason why it is underpowered is because it is overshadowed by the Amarr Assault and the Amarr Assault is better with the two weapons the Amarr Commando gets a bonus to. The only viable option for an Amarr Commando for the current meta is dual ascr, which lacks variety and restricts the Commando greatly. Here is my proposal for the Amarr Commando. A Change to Bonus Amarr Commandos general use fit should be a Laser Rifle and a Scrambler Rifle (or Ascr). However the Laser Rifle deals about 700-800 more damage on an Amarr Assault than a Amarr Commando, which is the one that receives a damage buff. Also, the Scrambler Rifle is only viable currently on an Amarr Assault with the harsh heat build-up. So what I suggest is to keep the current bonuses on both the suits, but add two new bonuses to the Commando to make it viable. Bonuses added: +5 percent reduction to cooldown time of laser weapons per level: At proto this is a +50 percent decrease to cooldown coupled with the laser weapons' operation bonus. This makes it more viable to fit a laser on an Amarr Commando, along with the Scrambler Rifle. It also lets you do charge shots quicker on the Amarr Commando do to the decreased cooldown. +5 percent reduction to overheat damage per level: One of the other reasons that the Amarr Commando is underpowered is how quickly the scr overheats and how often you take damage from that overheat. So by reducing the amount of damage this helps players who haven't memorized the amount of shots it takes to overheat. It also makes since considering the Commando is a heavy suit. These bonuses help the Amarr Commando greatly without making it OP. I would like to see CPM feedback on this topic as well. One of the reasons I am pushing for this bonus is in part because of the recent Scr nerf, and also in part of seeing too many dual Ascr Amarr Commandos too often. Director of Pure Evil. Pure Evil. is mass recruiting, apply today and join a war of the Bleeding Sun vs everyone!
XxBlazikenxX Pure Evil. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 3	Posted - 2015.10.28 17:23:00 - [2] - Quote bumping until a CPM gets in here Director of Pure Evil. Pure Evil. is mass recruiting, apply today and join a war of the Bleeding Sun vs everyone!
XxBlazikenxX Pure Evil. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 3	Posted - 2015.10.28 17:26:00 - [3] - Quote maybe deadcatz wrote: Or we could actually balance the scrambler rifle first. That can be done after the ONLY other suit that gets a bonus to it gets fixed first. And then from there we can make the Scr viable on non-Amarr Assault/Commando suits. Director of Pure Evil. Pure Evil. is mass recruiting, apply today and join a war of the Bleeding Sun vs everyone!
XxBlazikenxX Pure Evil. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 3	Posted - 2015.10.28 17:29:00 - [4] - Quote maybe deadcatz wrote: Or we could actually balance the scrambler rifle first. Another note, this is feedback directly pointed at the Amarr Commando, I am not talking about the Scrambler Rifle in here. This is not a Scr thread. Director of Pure Evil. Pure Evil. is mass recruiting, apply today and join a war of the Bleeding Sun vs everyone!
XxBlazikenxX Pure Evil. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 3	Posted - 2015.10.28 17:32:00 - [5] - Quote Lightning35 Delta514 wrote: I think the best solution would be to add new weapons. The Amarr have the least weapons and it's most UP suit is the commando so it would make most sense to add something that will directly influence Amarr commandos. Yes, but that would be for a port, right now the PS3 may not be able to handle any new assets. Director of Pure Evil. Pure Evil. is mass recruiting, apply today and join a war of the Bleeding Sun vs everyone!
XxBlazikenxX Pure Evil. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 3	Posted - 2015.10.28 17:33:00 - [6] - Quote maybe deadcatz wrote: XxBlazikenxX wrote: maybe deadcatz wrote: Or we could actually balance the scrambler rifle first. That can be done after the ONLY other suit that gets a bonus to it gets fixed first. And then from there we can make the Scr viable on non-Amarr Assault/Commando suits. The amarr commando is perfectly fine,the problem is the damn gun being a piece of junk on other suits. Its the damn over heat and the fact that it does too much damage to armour and is given its retard3d heat build up as a counter because people crying that they were dying to fast in ther sheild suits. The Amarr Commando is not fine, as noted by how 21/24 people I interviewed stated the Amarr Commando was UP. Director of Pure Evil. Pure Evil. is mass recruiting, apply today and join a war of the Bleeding Sun vs everyone!
XxBlazikenxX Pure Evil. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 3	Posted - 2015.10.28 17:37:00 - [7] - Quote catsrule wrote: Blaizeken for CPM!!! Not for another 2 years unfortunately... Director of Pure Evil. Pure Evil. is mass recruiting, apply today and join a war of the Bleeding Sun vs everyone!
XxBlazikenxX Pure Evil. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 3	Posted - 2015.10.28 19:31:00 - [8] - Quote I had an idea that would keep my proposal but might make the scr viable on more suits. What about decreasing the cooldown time across the board by 15%, and make the Commando bonus 2% per level? Director of Pure Evil. Pure Evil. is mass recruiting, apply today and join a war of the Bleeding Sun vs everyone!
XxBlazikenxX Pure Evil. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 3	Posted - 2015.10.28 22:32:00 - [9] - Quote TooMany Names AlreadyTaken wrote: THUNDERGROOVE wrote: Should probably give the suit an additional 20 Powergrid so it can fit anything as well lol Yeah, Scrambler Rifles take up a truckload of PG. I think, the best way to buff the Amando, is to give it a heat buildup bonus like the Amassault, but weaker. The thing is, I want to make the Commando a unique role, apart from the Assault, so giving it the same bonus would be taking a step back, and not a step forward. The Commando in general needs to unique from the Assault. Director of Pure Evil. Pure Evil. is mass recruiting, apply today and join a war of the Bleeding Sun vs everyone!
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XxBlazikenxX Pure Evil. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 3	Posted - 2015.10.29 02:46:00 - [11] - Quote Forever ETC wrote: Laser Weaponry and Amarr Assault need to be balanced first before we try to mess around with the Commando. This is why I was suggesting instead of a 5% bonus, we decrease the cooldown time across the board by 15% and give the Commando a 2% bonus to cooldown speed so it still equals 25%. With the recent Scr nerf, I feel that the Amarr Assault was put in its place. I do agree on the Scr being viable on other suits as well, along with the LR. However I think the Scr and LR should be incredible on the suit it gets bonuses to, and semi-viable on other suits. Director of Pure Evil. Pure Evil. is mass recruiting, apply today and join a war of the Bleeding Sun vs everyone!
XxBlazikenxX Pure Evil. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 3	Posted - 2015.10.29 03:27:00 - [12] - Quote postapo wastelander wrote: XxBlazikenxX wrote: Lightning35 Delta514 wrote: I think the best solution would be to add new weapons. The Amarr have the least weapons and it's most UP suit is the commando so it would make most sense to add something that will directly influence Amarr commandos. Yes, but that would be for a port, right now the PS3 may not be able to handle any new assets. I do not think so you know there is no message about dust2.0/legion and CCP left even name behind. Due modern trend i think there is even possible they making basicaly big update for Ps3 as well. And because im not for any kind of this "illuminati cinfirmed" stuff. I still be placed in team "yup still dust only" for now. Ergo I believe adition of new racials should be on place, with proper reoptimization etc. Yes, I would love a Breach Laser Rifle "if" the PS3 could handle it. And if it can, then awesome! But I'm patient and willing to wait. Director of Pure Evil. Pure Evil. is mass recruiting, apply today and join a war of the Bleeding Sun vs everyone!
XxBlazikenxX Pure Evil. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 3	Posted - 2015.10.29 03:42:00 - [13] - Quote Malleus Malificorum wrote: maybe deadcatz wrote: XxBlazikenxX wrote: maybe deadcatz wrote: [quote=XxBlazikenxX] The amarr commando is perfectly fine,the problem is the damn gun being a piece of junk on other suits. Its the damn over heat and the fact that it does too much damage to armour and is given its retard3d heat build up as a counter because people crying that they were dying to fast in ther sheild suits. The Amarr Commando is not fine, as noted by how 21/24 people I interviewed stated the Amarr Commando was UP. 1.why invest in amarr commando? The hp? Psh,armour plates. The laser waffles? Amarr assault does it better and more versatile. 2 anything the amarr commando can do with a scrambler rifle,the assualt can do better. 3 innate damage bonus to lasers? The amarr assult does have THREE HIGH slots. And the scrambler/laser rifle do more than enough damage to sheilds and a little too much to armour. Face it. The way the scrambler rifle is now with its heat buildup theres no point spending 3mill rough sp to get proto commandos. Lower the heat buildup and damage of the scrambler and maybe we'll have a use for the amarr commando other than being a pretty ornament/blue moon. Because the scrambler just isnt suited to the suit bonus anymore. No suit other than the assult is able kill anything over 500 arnour and not overheat. Speaking as a person who has had amarr commando at 5 since they didn't even have slots, this probably makes me one of maybe ten people who had amarr commando at max level at that time, and as someone who used to play with Aero Yassavi - the original amarr commando - quite often. The Amarr commando is really ONLY restricted by the weapons available to it (and the fact that the assault uses ONE of those weapons better than a commando at a time). Amarr commando is actually quite durable and rather strong, though it suffers in the repair department, using both a laser rifle and a scrambler rifle the amarr commando is an INCREDIBLY versatile 'all ranges' fighter (surpassing what ANY other commando can do). Yes the Amarr assault can do similar damage up until the point that the commando has to stop firing and only surpasses the commandos output afterwards, but it lacks the extreme reloading speed (on weapon types that do require frequent reloading) and moreover it lacks the versatility the commando has. An amarr assault using a laser rifle is predictable, it has to stay at its 'safe' range, an amarr commando can fire the laser rifle while closing with its target then switch over to a scrambler and melt them there. It would be beneficial for ALL amarr dropsuits to have new light, heavy and sidearm weapons introduced (preferably one or two that don't have 'heat' as a major mechanic), rather than having to tweak constantly because of the bonuses on a single suit. No way, were you one of the Commando 5? Director of Pure Evil. Pure Evil. is mass recruiting, apply today and join a war of the Bleeding Sun vs everyone!
XxBlazikenxX Pure Evil. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 3	Posted - 2015.10.29 03:55:00 - [14] - Quote Malleus Malificorum wrote: XxBlazikenxX wrote: No way, were you one of the Commando 5? No I wasn't, I only got it to level five shortly before it was buffed (from 250/250 to 325/325) in 1.6 Oh dang, still one of the original commandos. I was a Commando back in 1.2-1.3ish way back when they sucked (also when I rqed) and I was a level 5 commando when I got the respec. I was in PIE at the time (not on this character obviously, I biomassed my old one). I was not one of the Commando 5 but since then I have my own version of The Barbershop called The Armory in the Locker Room (if you want to check it out.) I also organized a complete 16 commando q sync (you can look it up on youtube on Heracles Porsche's channel or DAAAA BEAST's channel). I am an Amarrian Commando by heart, and will always be one. Director of Pure Evil. Pure Evil. is mass recruiting, apply today and join a war of the Bleeding Sun vs everyone!
XxBlazikenxX Pure Evil. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 3	Posted - 2015.10.29 17:23:00 - [15] - Quote bumping until noticed by a CPM Director of Pure Evil. Pure Evil. is mass recruiting, apply today and join a war of the Bleeding Sun vs everyone!
XxBlazikenxX Pure Evil. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 3	Posted - 2015.10.29 17:30:00 - [16] - Quote TooMany Names AlreadyTaken wrote: Is the 25% cooldown speed bonus applied to overheat cooldown aswell? It should be if you ask me, and it should be 50%. Yes, all forms of cooldown, and I was thinking 50% at first but I was scared of making it to overpowered, so I made it 25% which coupled with a level 5 scr operation skill is still 50%. Director of Pure Evil. Pure Evil. is mass recruiting, apply today and join a war of the Bleeding Sun vs everyone!
XxBlazikenxX Pure Evil. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 3	Posted - 2015.10.29 17:58:00 - [17] - Quote I just made a big edit. Thoughs? Any changes I should make? Director of Pure Evil. Pure Evil. is mass recruiting, apply today and join a war of the Bleeding Sun vs everyone!
XxBlazikenxX Pure Evil. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 3	Posted - 2015.10.29 19:57:00 - [18] - Quote Darken-Sol wrote: XxBlazikenxX wrote: Malleus Malificorum wrote: XxBlazikenxX wrote: No way, were you one of the Commando 5? No I wasn't, I only got it to level five shortly before it was buffed (from 250/250 to 325/325) in 1.6 Oh dang, still one of the original commandos. I was a Commando back in 1.2-1.3ish way back when they sucked (also when I rqed) and I was a level 5 commando when I got the respec. I was in PIE at the time (not on this character obviously, I biomassed my old one). I was not one of the Commando 5 but since then I have my own version of The Barbershop called The Armory in the Locker Room (if you want to check it out.) I also organized a complete 16 commando q sync (you can look it up on youtube on Heracles Porsche's channel or DAAAA BEAST's channel). I am an Amarrian Commando by heart, and will always be one. I guess youre only an OG if you held hands with a few forum warriors. Hmmm? Confused, you talking about me or Hammer? Director of Pure Evil. Pure Evil. is mass recruiting, apply today and join a war of the Bleeding Sun vs everyone!
XxBlazikenxX Pure Evil. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 3	Posted - 2015.10.29 20:12:00 - [19] - Quote I added some stuff about a new laser rifle with stats and also some slight Scr tweaking. Director of Pure Evil. Pure Evil. is mass recruiting, apply today and join a war of the Bleeding Sun vs everyone!
XxBlazikenxX Pure Evil. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 3	Posted - 2015.10.29 20:24:00 - [20] - Quote Any feedback from the CPM on this topic. I know pretty much none of the CPM play Amarr Commando (correct me if I am wrong) Director of Pure Evil. Pure Evil. is mass recruiting, apply today and join a war of the Bleeding Sun vs everyone!

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XxBlazikenxX Pure Evil. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 3	Posted - 2015.10.30 04:51:00 - [22] - Quote bump, comments? Questions? A CPM response? Director of Pure Evil. Pure Evil. is mass recruiting, apply today and join a war of the Bleeding Sun vs everyone!
XxBlazikenxX Pure Evil. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 3	Posted - 2015.10.30 17:13:00 - [23] - Quote Edit on last section Director of Pure Evil. Pure Evil. is mass recruiting, apply today and join a war of the Bleeding Sun vs everyone!
XxBlazikenxX Pure Evil. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 3	Posted - 2015.10.30 17:15:00 - [24] - Quote Leovarian L Lavitz wrote: The cpm have their own forum, post there with a link here I actually did not think of that, will do! Director of Pure Evil. Pure Evil. is mass recruiting, apply today and join a war of the Bleeding Sun vs everyone!
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XxBlazikenxX Pure Evil. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 3	Posted - 2015.10.31 01:30:00 - [26] - Quote Lightning35 Delta514 wrote: I think the best solution would be to add new weapons. The Amarr have the least weapons and it's most UP suit is the commando so it would make most sense to add something that will directly influence Amarr commandos. Done, BLR idea added with no new assets needed. Director of Pure Evil. Pure Evil. is mass recruiting, apply today and join a war of the Bleeding Sun vs everyone!
XxBlazikenxX Pure Evil. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 3	Posted - 2015.10.31 03:58:00 - [27] - Quote Currently working on some spreadsheets Director of Pure Evil. Pure Evil. is mass recruiting, apply today and join a war of the Bleeding Sun vs everyone!
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XxBlazikenxX Pure Evil. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 3	Posted - 2015.10.31 18:33:00 - [29] - Quote Could someone give me, the damage, cooldown time, and feedback damage of the proto scr rifle? Director of Pure Evil. Pure Evil. is mass recruiting, apply today and join a war of the Bleeding Sun vs everyone!
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XxBlazikenxX Pure Evil. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 3	Posted - 2015.11.01 05:46:00 - [31] - Quote bump Amarr Loyalist Amarr Commando Forever Ancient Exiles. Member
XxBlazikenxX Pure Evil. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 3	Posted - 2015.11.01 21:16:00 - [32] - Quote Okay, here is an alternative idea, can I get some feedback on which one is better, or if maybe they should be merged some way somehow? Ghost Kaisar wrote: Idea: Change the Assault bonus Amarr Assault gets a reduction to laser weaponry charge time and cooldown. In short, it can charge up quicker and cool down faster. Amarr commando gets a bonus to damage and heat generation. It deals damage better and longer, but requires longer times in between fights. Commando gets to be amazing with the LR and be better at dealing with hardened targets (Being able to hit harder for longer). Assault now thrives in being able to rapidly engage and re-engage targets (matches the idea of assaults being faster and more versatile). Sound good? Thoughts? Amarr Loyalist Amarr Commando Forever Ancient Exiles. Member
XxBlazikenxX Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 3	Posted - 2015.11.02 18:07:00 - [33] - Quote bump Amarr Loyalist Amarr Commando Forever Ancient Exiles. Member
XxBlazikenxX Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 3	Posted - 2015.11.02 20:37:00 - [34] - Quote So I had no foresight so I can not add anything to the OP because I ran out of space, so I will be copy and pasting this to a new thread. Amarr Loyalist Amarr Commando Forever Ancient Exiles. Member