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VECTORS ABROAD
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K
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Posted - 2015.10.24 02:42:00 -
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I am wondering why the Minmatar Logi is out matched by the assault in every way except for the equipment slots. The assault is faster, has better shield regen, better hit points, and for some reason it seems to have better fitting capacity. I would like to hear your thoughts. I feel like the Minmatar Logi should get some sort of a buff or better yet make all the logis similar to the assault but less slayer oriented. I don't want it to be too close to the assault that it becomes an assault but the minmatar logi's stats just don't seem to make sense.
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Vesta Opalus
PROJECT OF KILLERS.
RUST415
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Posted - 2015.10.24 02:45:00 -
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VECTORS ABROAD wrote:I am wondering why the Minmatar Logi is out matched by the assault in every way except for the equipment slots. The assault is faster, has better shield regen, better hit points, and for some reason it seems to have better fitting capacity. I would like to hear your thoughts. I feel like the Minmatar Logi should get some sort of a buff or better yet make all the logis similar to the assault but less slayer oriented. I don't want it to be too close to the assault that it becomes an assault but the minmatar logi's stats just don't seem to make sense.
The min logi is the best logi in the game unless you want to be a scanbot. Its not meant to compete with the assault in shield regen, hit points, or fitting capacity (which is misleading since the logi gets a massive bonus to equipment fitting costs)
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VECTORS ABROAD
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K
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Posted - 2015.10.24 02:47:00 -
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I looked at the stats but they just don't seem to add up as the other logis have higher base hit points and their slot layouts allow them to do an important task in support...not dying. The min logi is weak than the other logis by about 40 points with full skills in armor and shields.
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Jonny D Buelle
The Warlords Legion
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Posted - 2015.10.24 02:52:00 -
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Let's look at this in an RPG sense and not a shooter sense.
The MinLogi is the best "healer" in the game. The healer's primary job is not to be tanky and not to be powerful or anything. Their main job is to heal.
In a standard group you would have a Tank, DPS and a Healer. The Tank takes the damage, the DPS deals it and the healer keeps everyone alive. The healer and some DPS are always squishy, it comes down to the DPS and the tank to make sure that the Healer is protected and not getting hit.
Now in Dust, MinLogis always work well with Sentinels, so it stands to reason that the Sentinel should be protecting the MinLogi. Yes the Logi should be working to benefit the entire team, but a MinLogi Gal/Amarr Sent working in sync is a devstating combination.
One MinLogi fitting I saw someone used put myos in their high slots and would jump over me if there was a scout behind them or if they were being shot from behind. So in that sense the MinLogi might need a biotics buff and not a health buff and it all comes down to how you play and sh.t.
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Booby Tuesdays
Bad Mother Thukkers
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Posted - 2015.10.24 02:52:00 -
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As a diehard and dedicated Min Logi since Chromosome, I can say that the current state of the Min Logi is almost perfect.
We just got a shield buff to both delay and regen.
We just got a buff to make us faster than Assaults.
We have the best slot layout of all Logis (and also Scout level HP).
We have that sweet rep tool bonus, and who complains about being repped?
The reason all the Assaults suits are "better" is because that is the normal playstyle for an FPS. If Logis were better, AND could carry more equipment, why bother running Assault? Look back to Uprising and see the Cal Logi for proof in the pudding.
All I want is the original stats of the Min Logi back. We used to have 120 shields, and 150 armor. This all changed when the rest of the Logi suits were released.
That said, give all Logis a 30 HP buff and call it good OP? 
Half Assed Forum Warrior - Half Decent Commando - Damn Good Logi - Matari Freedom Fighter lvl 8
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Aeon Amadi
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Posted - 2015.10.24 03:50:00 -
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Booby Tuesdays wrote:As a diehard and dedicated Min Logi since Chromosome, I can say that the current state of the Min Logi is almost perfect. We just got a shield buff to both delay and regen. We just got a buff to make us faster than Assaults. We have the best slot layout of all Logis (and also Scout level HP). We have that sweet rep tool bonus, and who complains about being repped? The reason all the Assaults suits are "better" is because that is the normal playstyle for an FPS. If Logis were better, AND could carry more equipment, why bother running Assault? Look back to Uprising and see the Cal Logi for proof in the pudding. All I want is the original stats of the Min Logi back. We used to have 120 shields, and 150 armor. This all changed when the rest of the Logi suits were released. That said, give all Logis a 30 HP buff and call it good OP?
Hrmm. Minmatar are rather bizarre in that they have this weird affinity for either being shield -or- armor tanked on base stats. Maybe we could look into giving them general application toward both but not really being amazing at either?
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Vesta Opalus
PROJECT OF KILLERS.
RUST415
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Posted - 2015.10.24 04:00:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Maybe we could look into giving them general application toward both but not really being amazing at either?
Cautionary note that jack of all trades design generally results in something being absolutely **** at high skill level of the meta in almost any game. |
maybe deadcatz
Serris Inc
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Posted - 2015.10.24 04:02:00 -
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I used to be a min logi. Now im a amarr logi. Because my teamates tend to die alot.....viziam flux uplinks.
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2015.10.24 04:21:00 -
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Is the Assault actually faster? Thought that changed with the speed/hp curve.
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Mortishai Belmont
G.L.O.R.Y
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Posted - 2015.10.24 04:26:00 -
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Hard to make 6k WP with the min assault. The logi on the other hand....
The fact is the min logi is the rep king of the game. It can make most heavies close to immortal, excluding insta-kills like the forge or plasma.
In my opinion, the min logi is the single most effective suit in the game for team support. I've seen a single min log turn the tide of battle for an entire team and I've done it myself.
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2015.10.24 04:30:00 -
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MN Assault
Movement: 5.15
Sprint: 7.21
MN Logi
Movement: 5.25
Sprint: 7.35
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IceShifter Childhaspawn
Rebels New Republic
The Ditanian Alliance
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Posted - 2015.10.24 04:32:00 -
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I like the biotics buff idea.
I run minlogi and I am fine with the kill/ death payout I recieve. It hurts with the dps nowdays but w/e.
OP is essentially correct MinLogi is a dedicated healer. If we go with any other buff it should not be at the expense of the class bonus or the racial. Squishy but it fills its role.
It's hard to beat up hundreds of armor piercing bullets using only your face...
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MrShooter01
Ustio Mercenary Squadron
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Posted - 2015.10.24 04:41:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Hrmm. Minmatar are rather bizarre in that they have this weird affinity for either being shield -or- armor tanked on base stats. Maybe we could look into giving them general application toward both but not really being amazing at either?
Eh, its pretty normal for them, in eve too, where some of their ships are better at armor tanking and some of their ships are better at shield tanking, unlike the other 3 races which are pretty much either full armor (gallente, amarr) or shield (caldari)
And they're pretty damn close to that ideal already with their slot layouts, but I suppose they could be given the equal shield and armor the early bizarro amarr suits had... would help the minmatar logis terrible base shield hp 
Empress, that was a weird time. The Gallente had more armor hp than the ****ing Amarr |
Boot Booter
Titans of Phoenix
Damage LLC
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Posted - 2015.10.24 04:50:00 -
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VECTORS ABROAD wrote: The assault is faster, has better shield regen, better hit points, and for some reason it seems to have better fitting capacity. I would like to hear your thoughts.
My thoughts...
Wrong, wrong, yes the Assault has more hp, wrong.
Take a look at the stats before posting nonsense. |
Radiant Pancake3
KILL-EM-QUICK
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Posted - 2015.10.24 05:27:00 -
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I dual tank my min logi fits... Allows me to live, rep, and survive almost all 1v1 encounters in case my heavy or person dies... Along with that helps make sure holding r1 doesn't make me lose my semi-decent gun game (On occasion)... because I can actually put up a fight... I may have some Ewar on my fit... not sure though...
Min Logis don't need a buff IMO... they're fine where they stand...
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JIMvc2
KILL-EM-QUICK
Rise Of Legion.
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Posted - 2015.10.24 05:42:00 -
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The Gallente Logistics wins hands down. I maxed my proto one to 5 along with scans. = No one can damp and the pitty Minmatar assaults and scouts are dead lol
The CreoDrone Breach Assault Rifle FTW!!!
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maybe deadcatz
Serris Inc
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Posted - 2015.10.24 06:01:00 -
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JIMvc2 wrote:The Gallente Logistics wins hands down. I maxed my proto one to 5 along with scans. = No one can damp and the pitty Minmatar assaults and scouts are dead lol
The CreoDrone Breach Assault Rifle FTW!!!
Heres were i laugh at your pitiful crutch,also. Profile dampening five,gallente scouts 5. You figure out the rest.
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Yoda Boss
Dem Durrty Boyz
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Posted - 2015.10.24 09:16:00 -
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Can't compare logi to assaults. Different animal all together. And you do understand the best reps in the game from from a min logi. A core focus with min logistics 5 is op. Not sure what the exact number is but wow points out the @$$
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Sergeant Sazu
Mantodea MC
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Posted - 2015.10.24 13:37:00 -
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I like those old suits. I'm talking about how there was an ak.0 and an ak.1 available. One was more geared towards shields, and vice versa.
The Min Logi is a great suit. My only personal complaint is that I'd like a shield focused variant known as the Logistics mk.1. Right now I need a myo and 2 precisions in my highs as a squad support unit. That only leaves room for 185 shield, which causes the need to stack ferroscales when I'd prefer to be a true Minmatar and have some biotics in there. I wouldn't call this "having my cake and eating it too", because I would barely have any armor. I simply want a high-mobility shield focused logi with that sexy leash range bonus.
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Booby Tuesdays
Bad Mother Thukkers
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Posted - 2015.10.24 18:11:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Booby Tuesdays wrote:As a diehard and dedicated Min Logi since Chromosome, I can say that the current state of the Min Logi is almost perfect. We just got a shield buff to both delay and regen. We just got a buff to make us faster than Assaults. We have the best slot layout of all Logis (and also Scout level HP). We have that sweet rep tool bonus, and who complains about being repped? The reason all the Assaults suits are "better" is because that is the normal playstyle for an FPS. If Logis were better, AND could carry more equipment, why bother running Assault? Look back to Uprising and see the Cal Logi for proof in the pudding. All I want is the original stats of the Min Logi back. We used to have 120 shields, and 150 armor. This all changed when the rest of the Logi suits were released. That said, give all Logis a 30 HP buff and call it good OP? Hrmm. Minmatar are rather bizarre in that they have this weird affinity for either being shield -or- armor tanked on base stats. Maybe we could look into giving them general application toward both but not really being amazing at either?
All I want is the original stats back from Chrome, haha. 120 Shield, 150 Armor. This is what the Gal and Cal Logi currently have. I am hesitant to give Logis any type of buff because of the "Never Forget" mindset of the Cal Logi from Uprising, but 30 HP is not game breaking imho. Give the Min 30 Shield, Cal and Gal 15 shield and 15 armor, and Amarr 30 Armor?
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