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Zatara Rought
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2015.10.18 16:28:00 -
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Shadowed Cola wrote:dusty5678 wrote:Why not base it on each different PC corp to start with. And then go to individuals after. I was considering doing this but everytime I try to write something I get sidetracked. Usually by Dust itself :3 Why, the only corps with any relevance in MH's outcome have been AE, NF, TP, FA, and OH. If everyone else has to change there methods depending on these groups decisions then the report should be focused on them, and not the people not causing waves.
FTFY
Sota is right that there's a lot of history contained in the war room.
I've also taken the time to write a pretty detailed account of PC from my perspective in TP and FA before, but it got really long due to over zealousness in terms of detail and I only made it to January when AE successfully took a district from us (I need to find that thread) and have only briefly alluded to the emergence of ERA.
I'm irrelevant, feel free to ignore me. :)
No matter what. FAmily
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Zatara Rought
Fatal Absolution
Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
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Posted - 2015.10.28 14:54:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Fiddlestaxp wrote:I sat through Cubs diplomacy a number of times. It was hilarious. There were two options: cooperate or be annihilated. It took until our "What the French run" to be taken seriously, but after that point, our group had decent sway with movado. The stb vs imps matches probably helped too. Anyone in TP( at the time) could tell the whole story; that's the kind of outfit we were running.
Regardless, I have a bit of knowledge about a few significant events. Amongst the people who still pop in, I'd say Zatara alone is more familiar with the EoN. War(Zat was always the favored link runner), and Sota and Kane with DNS donut. If someone is making an effort to compile The History of Dust, I am here to help. TP's rise to power could be an interesting tell. TeamPlayers is the probably the most interesting of them all, imo. TP was one of the most dominant forces seen in MH. What separates TP from every other dominant corp is that you never hear any of their places mentioned in most of the greatest of all times lists. I know some of the guys that are frequently listed joined TP at one time or another but that may have been after TP had established their mark.
TP not mentioned as the GOAT?
are you smoking some kinda new just dubbs?
No one who knows wtf they are talking about would argue TP is the GOAT in PC history. TP is still the GOAT in my book. AE would place 2nd.
I personally think FA is third all time with OH 4th.
And EoN followed by NF with DNS excluded for obvious reasons are the greatest alliances of PC history.
Renegade and TSO is actually more of a toss up in my book.
I'm irrelevant, feel free to ignore me. :)
No matter what. FAmily
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Zatara Rought
Fatal Absolution
Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
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Posted - 2015.10.29 16:35:00 -
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editing
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No matter what. FAmily
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Zatara Rought
Fatal Absolution
Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
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Posted - 2015.10.29 17:34:00 -
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Roman837 wrote:Bending me over? When did that happen. I've been here since the start. I saw the rise and fall of everyone IMPS were around for how long? TP for how long?
All depends when you played. STB even at one point had an elite PC team. Hell I'd wager their early team could beat most of the ones still around. They had talent.
Oh well. Those were the glory days. Now games filled with kids and punks. Who complain about literally everything. Yet everything they currently have is exactly what we were begging for back in yhe day lol
STB got bent by Imps until they hired EoN...bent by AE until FA starting ringing...and bent by ERA/AE during the DNS debacle.
and DDB got bent while you were with them as well.
Imps were here from what...Summer 2012 to June 2013? and NF as the embodiment of Imps has been around almost the entirety of dust. TP was here from like...November 2012? Really got going when Deluxe and co from "Like A Boss" joined them and then became the best in the game post PFBHz infusion and snowballed that even further after Reg and a few Imps came over?
They the best until they quit the game.
And the remnants have been among the most influential of corps since the departure of the majority of their players.
TP was the backbone of ERA...you might have heard of them?
So really TP was here until Red Wedding in many ways.
STB's elite team IMO was when God Nova and Youngcuz were still there. Once STB lost them they sorta fell off to top of the b tier (just under the Unreal/PFBHz/Hellstorm/Imps/ETC level).
They had tons of talent...but then again so did Subdreddit.
I could lead you a team from subdreddit that would include Funkmaster Whale, The Spinner, Zdub303, Namob Boman, Kenkaniff, Ellithana Mori, Skeez Skeezenstein...and a lot more...talent =/= winning
I'm irrelevant, feel free to ignore me. :)
No matter what. FAmily
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Zatara Rought
Fatal Absolution
Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
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Posted - 2015.10.29 17:51:00 -
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Roman837 wrote:Shepherd Grey wrote:Pass me that dementia medicine, Roman. I'm getting old over here. Hmm strange I see no mention of CAP or KEQ in any of these posts. ..was it because they only began to shine when everyone else had already left? Yes...you had your time. We all did. Havnt played a game of Dust in 6 months. Yet I still get brought up Daily. I'll consider that a win. You all know as much **** as I talk...I can back it up! Truly miss this game on a serious note. Not the actual playing of this game...but the politics and Meta.
Cap was always like...the best of the lower tier teams until red wedding.
In the DNS war you didn't see Cap attacking FA...that was AE's and ERA's job as the best.
Cap has been arguably a top 5 team since January 2014...but there's never been a point I'm aware of where people have thought of Cap as the number one team in the game..maybe while FA was rebuilding after everyone left the game round 2 after rouge wedding? But even when I got back from Destiny Shep was the one who told me that Cap tried to attack FA and were repelled...during the time that we were on destiny and ergo weaker.
I still think highly of Cap, but that's sorta why they aren't often mentioned in these conversations IMO. They were a great team that occupied the top in the absence of the teams that previously surpassed them..It would have been fantastic for their rep for Cap to have dominated OH. Or if Cap kicked AE now out of PC...that would be impressive.
KEQ as a team has always been bad.
The only time KEQ was relevant was when KEQ allied with AE and OH.
If you took FA and AE and had 6 Standby Retaliation in a match if that but stanby started dominating PC...you wouldn't remember Jake's team as the best.
I'm irrelevant, feel free to ignore me. :)
No matter what. FAmily
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Zatara Rought
Fatal Absolution
Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
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Posted - 2015.10.29 17:55:00 -
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Roman837 wrote:
Difference of Perspective. There are videos on YouTube of full teams of STB beating the IMPS and many others..
Can you point me to video's of STB beating Imps? I'd like to see that.
The rest I addressed. They had great players, but that didn't translate into being a team worthy of Hellstorm, TP, or even OH.
I'm irrelevant, feel free to ignore me. :)
No matter what. FAmily
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Zatara Rought
Fatal Absolution
Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
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Posted - 2015.10.29 19:33:00 -
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Noneck and you and kalash could have gone anywhere, but after that it gets fuzzy I admit.
I echo the sentiment as well that Cap achieved a team that was greater than the sum of its parts.
As for derriths assertion I think it'd take a longer post to explain...but TP operated at a time where ADS's were worthless. On tanks TP had great tanks legend just happened to be the best blaster tank. Cubs was the av net in the city usually with a backup like draka available.
Imagio has long been forgotten but he was a great tanker...TP also had a 3rd tanker.
And imps actually were grounded in the best tank game along with PFBHZ led by Zitro himself.
On sniping Dwater was our best sniper iirc. He had a sniping spot to hit alpha on hubs and was pretty clutch.
I don't remember himiko sniping.
I'm irrelevant, feel free to ignore me. :)
No matter what. FAmily
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Zatara Rought
Fatal Absolution
Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
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Posted - 2015.10.29 19:45:00 -
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Kalante Schiffer wrote:I have a huge archive of old pictures. Chromosome pictures. The beginning of PC and a lot of fights. Only i can see them and im glad i did. I have all of dust's PC history in its entirety on the palm of my hands. I can see who is being biased here. I just wanna point something out to YDUBBS. I know that he is in my corp and has high views of EoN since he was in it but do not say that TP was this dominant force for three months when i have pictures of AE and TP butting heads equally.
AE was reduced to taking districts from corps like 187. And didn't really pose a challenge until 10k fist ari. Without Ari it wasn't equal, it was more like 70/30. I think the record was 14-4 win/loss vs AE. Equal is a bit biased.
No one takes more pictures than me <3 when you consider dubbs talking june to august...I don't thinkly he's off. AE's wins against TP pre FEC could be counted on one hand.
After the exodus for ff14/gta5 TP fell off.
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No matter what. FAmily
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Zatara Rought
Fatal Absolution
Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
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Posted - 2015.10.29 21:39:00 -
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Kalante Schiffer wrote:Zatara Rought wrote:Kalante Schiffer wrote:I have a huge archive of old pictures. Chromosome pictures. The beginning of PC and a lot of fights. Only i can see them and im glad i did. I have all of dust's PC history in its entirety on the palm of my hands. I can see who is being biased here. I just wanna point something out to YDUBBS. I know that he is in my corp and has high views of EoN since he was in it but do not say that TP was this dominant force for three months when i have pictures of AE and TP butting heads equally. AE was reduced to taking districts from corps like 187. And didn't really pose a challenge until 10k fist ari. Without Ari it wasn't equal, it was more like 70/30. I think the record was 14-4 win/loss vs AE. Equal is a bit biased. No one takes more pictures than me <3 when you consider dubbs talking june to august...I don't thinkly he's off. AE's wins against TP pre FEC could be counted on one hand. After the exodus for ff14/gta5 TP fell off. Pretty sure everyone fell of after FF14. TP in the other hand fell of when they lost the tournament to AE late september in 2013. After that we never fought TP again. I remember also going into wars against FA and OH before 2013 ended and we won both. Also iv'e noticed that all these history threads only have the views from the side of ex EoN and TP players but never an AE.
Everyone did, and this is why we see it differently on when TP fell off. I remember being in the final and Cubs being just as pissed as Mavado was when we played SyN because Cub's couldn't get people online. People were just straight up refusing.
We fell off after FF14, it just wasn't exposed until the final...and even then all those matches were down to 10 clones iirc...Kujo was saying they had trouble getting people online as well.
That doesn't make it untrue that TP was largely gone already. Kujo admitted that TP smacked AE around at the beginning on these forums. With 10k fist Ari and everyone mass leaving (seriously people didn't even care enough to log on for FEC except through Cubs sheer will) It really was more of a testament to AE's lack of consistency that TP managed to put up decent fights post FEC without me/imagio/high times/Xero/Sponge...and more. We were all gone. Props to Fiddle, Cubs, Legend, DocDDD and I guess Reg for keeping the ship righted once we became quite squishy.
I remember going into the winter war as well! (nice transition there  )
I dunno what you're talking about 'won both' As there was only one war. ProfV attacked Renegade attacked and we were there to help and ring. They paid us with districts and the battles where they fielded 8+ FA were extremely fun wins. Sadly as Tib's can attest to...Radar made some extremely poor choices in the war...I won't play what if's but I will say OH crippled themselves due to Radar's mismanagement of the war just as much as AE crippled them.
FA never had the privilege of fielding 16 FA vs AE until OH paid us the 3 Sakulda districts.
FA proceeded to win what...20+ some odd contests from the point in december that OH gave us 3 districts to what jan 29th when AE made the thread saying they had finally won a district from us while admitting they'd been losing for weeks?
Let me just say...I'm biased, but I think FA had a better showing vs AE upon their arrival (and mind you I wasn't simply fusing the #2 team in the game with Imps...I had to start from scratch and go find people who had never stepped inside the PC realm before) than AE had vs TP.
Once we had districts AE was losing more than they were winning because again...as marauder aptly once said FA was stronger during the week when our a-team was on, and AE was stronger on the weekend when their a-team got on. Which lead to far more FA wins vs AE.
And that was the only district they won from us until they paid off ERA to stop attacking them and swap sides to stack us. While we won like 8 districts? and lost the final reup's on a few others. Clone packs ya know? 
I personally see bias when people are only interested in casting shade on others accomplishments as opposed to most of the people here who are quite content to pay respect to opponents.
I'm irrelevant, feel free to ignore me. :)
No matter what. FAmily
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Zatara Rought
Fatal Absolution
Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
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Posted - 2015.10.29 21:44:00 -
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Fiddlestaxp wrote:
Don't get me wrong, you guys were right there with us. It was obvious who the tourney final was going to be from the very start of that two month cluster. And you kicked our collective butts. But we were dominant for three months after AE was formed... In addition to being unquestionably the best before. I was on the team though, so i think it probably says more about competition level than excellence.
AE was created late July so I'd say 2 months.
But they were winning 50% of the battles post FEC which ended late August. The tourney concluded late September.
Point is I'd say we were dominant against AE for 1 month after their inception. I wasn't there for September but even if TP remained dominant vs AE that's 2.
I'm irrelevant, feel free to ignore me. :)
No matter what. FAmily
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Zatara Rought
Fatal Absolution
Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
5
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Posted - 2015.10.29 22:14:00 -
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DEATH THE KlD wrote:I do remember TP players refusing to get on or have anything to do with the tourney
Ari's glitch sealed the deal for a lot of people refusing to get on (think it was more of an excuse to quit)
Getting raped by Ari was super frustrating and I was very conflicted about it, like heartburn mang. I felt loyalty to TP and didn't like the glitch.
And yet at the same time I was the only one who vouched for Ari when he sent his app in and I tried desperately to convince Cubs that Ari was a beast waiting to happen....and I knew we had no ground to stand on when it came to Ari using the glitch because Ari admitted his inspiration was the shotgun twins and fiddle.
I knew Ari like week 2 in beta when he was in A.I.
But ya know it's sad history. 
I'm irrelevant, feel free to ignore me. :)
No matter what. FAmily
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Zatara Rought
Fatal Absolution
Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
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Posted - 2015.10.30 00:27:00 -
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Kalante Schiffer wrote:The only person that could say anything about AE's history is Kujo himself and he doesn't care.
Soul and Sari I would think would be able to provide a lot of context as well. Getting Soul on here might be tough, Sari is probably the best bet.
I'm irrelevant, feel free to ignore me. :)
No matter what. FAmily
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Zatara Rought
Fatal Absolution
Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
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Posted - 2015.10.30 04:14:00 -
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Suggesting that a 5 cap by KEQ along with a picture is going to cause much of anything other than a yawn is precious.
<3
I 5 capped AE and ERA...who hasn't been 5 capped?
I'm irrelevant, feel free to ignore me. :)
No matter what. FAmily
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Zatara Rought
Fatal Absolution
Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
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Posted - 2015.10.30 04:58:00 -
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Immortal John Ripper wrote:Zatara Rought wrote:Suggesting that a 5 cap by KEQ along with a picture is going to cause much of anything other than a yawn is precious.
<3
I 5 capped AE and ERA...who hasn't been 5 capped? 187 was never 5 capped... until i left and smashed them with the generals.
lol
A 5 cap is about as useful in ascertaining the strength of a corp as roman's boat is useful in determining his fishing game.
I'm irrelevant, feel free to ignore me. :)
No matter what. FAmily
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Zatara Rought
Fatal Absolution
Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
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Posted - 2015.10.30 05:12:00 -
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Fiddlestaxp wrote:Zatara Rought wrote:Immortal John Ripper wrote:Zatara Rought wrote:Suggesting that a 5 cap by KEQ along with a picture is going to cause much of anything other than a yawn is precious.
<3
I 5 capped AE and ERA...who hasn't been 5 capped? 187 was never 5 capped... until i left and smashed them with the generals. lol A 5 cap is about as useful in ascertaining the strength of a corp as roman's boat is useful in determining his fishing game. 5 caps determine a corps resolve. Do they fight back? Do they show up to the next match?
Not necessarily.
a 5 cap could be caused by any number of factors that don't require fighting back...like when kane decided to gift the community with districts, right?
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No matter what. FAmily
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Zatara Rought
Fatal Absolution
Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
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Posted - 2015.10.30 13:32:00 -
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Dust User wrote:
Might as well just own it. Your guys were banished to pubs by OH + AE.
FTFY
And I have no qualms about it. Everyone has lull's in activity. "KEQ" still 5 capping FA these days? 
It's a sprint not a race and when beating a corp on it's last leg using majority ringers is the shining achievement...lol I guess even a blind squirrel get a nut every now and then. Doesn't change the years of emotional damage that lead to such underwhelming bragging rights.
I 5 capped KEQ along with 5 TP.
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No matter what. FAmily
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Zatara Rought
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2015.10.30 16:52:00 -
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I don't see pictures of anyone on that team at all. And it's little wonder why. 
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No matter what. FAmily
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Zatara Rought
Fatal Absolution
Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
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Posted - 2015.10.30 20:40:00 -
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Shiyou Hidiyoshi wrote:
Just saying the banished by 0H + AE part is incorrect. AE only had 3 people active for like a year. As for 0H, which 0H are we talking about? Remake 15 or 16? Either way, they did indeed ferry up to 8 0H.
Also, Randon Gunsz was beating them too but without ringers, I know because DavidWWE smackdown scumbag wouldn't let me ring for him unless they had a cluster****.
Considering the validity of TP 5 capping 16 KEQ...it should be obvious that quantity < quality.
3 AE + 7-8 Oh = banished by OH + AE.
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No matter what. FAmily
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Zatara Rought
Fatal Absolution
Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
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Posted - 2015.10.31 03:13:00 -
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Mr Machine Guns wrote:I wish that video of zatara raging in a pc for RND vs AE was still around now that was funny
Wait there's only 1?
I'm sure I have access to at least 20.
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Zatara Rought
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Posted - 2016.03.20 04:13:00 -
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Honestly PFBHz would have survived if Jaiden and Autumn wanted it to survive, but Autumn just wasn't into dust and saving the clan on dust wasn't his priority.
Nothing wrong with that.
PFBHz lacked strong leadership to right the ship....and when the ship could have been righted battle scuttled it.
I remember the nights asking trying to keep Xero and Spinner and Coin and Nanites and these cats I loved playing with all together and invested but between Radar sending messages off to players like spinner (let the truth be known...he wasn't just poaching his friends...his net was wider than he admits) and the instability of having a vacuum of leadership (jaiden appeared overwhelmed and tired of it...he wasn't having fun and it was a chore he didn't envy..the meetings we had in PFB before the break were like airing out dirty laundry to the corp 1/2 of which were like me and had only been there 2 months or less...just killed morale) created a melting pot of problems that were insurmountable. Losing in the meta of terrible lag, flaylocks (honestly i think squagga and shilzy were the first of that kind before blizz the lion ever jumped on that wagon) and mass uplink spam (to say nothing of the role gem cutter was in 1 man defending their home point) was ultimately just the straw that broke the camel's back.
This was a corp who's clout lay mostly with Jaiden and the Bounty Hunterz. I think maybe it was Turtlez as well also had clout but one other guy kinda had a lot of respect (and clout) with the 2 beast mode guys that had come from KEQ long ago to PFBHz. I mean don't get me wrong others had clout like Laz but Jaiden was ultimately the dude who had the capacity if he'd wanted to. But Jaiden afaik was done with dust anyways, as were most of those guys. Laz and peeps would come back sporadically.
PFBHz had a **** ton of talent the problem was there just wasn't enough leadership. Leadership would have solved the primary issues.
Just my opinion.
Pro Hic had Regular Trooper, his brother was a beast scout....Black Art was nasty....just a lot of players that were fantastic.
Pro Hic were the only competent team out of RofL when PC began...and from what I understand the reason they left was because they got tired of Alliance Leadership failing to listen to their counsel and thus getting thrust into **** (like fighting Loi) they really didn't want...for terrible reasons. But that's just my understanding of it.
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No matter what. FAmily
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