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Jadek Menaheim
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Posted - 2015.10.17 21:03:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:knight guard fury wrote:honestly its no different then character trading so i dont see why there so up[est about it As a nine year Eve veteran, it is different than character trading. Character trading has permanent investments of skills that creates a specialized path for the character, be it a Super pilot, trader, etc. This whole SP Transfer conundrum is nebulous, vague, and boils over with issues for abuse. There is nothing to stop a player from throwing money at their problems and buying SP Transfers with which to apply to their main character. Eve Online is all about the decisions and choices we make having an impact. The butterfly effect. The minute little change that causes giant changes in the future. If you have a player that creates a character, throws however much money at CCP, and then can suddenly fly Titans, it fundamnetally devalues those choices and decisions (if any). Further more, it takes away almost completely the core concept of specialization. If you can just buy SP Transfer packs and fly whatever you want, is that specialization or generalization? Is there even a point to having skills for any reason other than to be a barrier between paying players and non-paying players? Aeon lay off the doom and gloom scare tactics. SP is still being treated as a scarce player created resource and has diminishing returns when extracted and applied to high and high sp characters. When that stops being the case, then we can freak out. Until then, you are standing in the way of positive progress.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/156e2QWHKguiwQod9FAl1IpBEqcF8hwPC_msCFYK-WUA/edit
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Jadek Menaheim
1nner.Heaven
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Posted - 2015.10.17 21:09:00 -
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KGB Sleep wrote:The RMT potential of a move like this is disgusting and stupid.
Lol what? You don't think people would already pay money under the table for characters and plex?
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Jadek Menaheim
1nner.Heaven
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Posted - 2015.10.17 21:35:00 -
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@Aeon Eve and Dust are very social meta driven games. You hardly have to pay a dime on things if your ability to talk or coerce people out of their ISK is leveled up far enough. Awarding that kind of social craft behavior by letting players purchase organs to finely craft the power of their main (or cannibalize skill points to extend social influence through the market, corp recruitment, etc) feels very much in line with the core principals established in New Eden.
Age-gating through the current system of 'pay CCP monthly for the privilege to log-in and update your skill queue, then log out, over a period of a decade' seems hardly conducive to encouraging gameplay with newbs or vets.
Paying for a character through the bazaar arguably leads to other issues, from the point of view of new playes.
Ashterothi wrote:I have always made a hobby of recruiting people into EVE. I am very passionate about it, so tolerating me for any real length of time generally requires you to know enough about EVE to have a) heard about it to any length you desire and b) gotten a trial account and anything you want and personally lead through the game if you so desire (I am a bit over-zealous I am afraid). However, thanks to this and my love for newbies in general, I have kept a pretty good pulse on why people quit the game, and what I have found is very large percent of players quit because they want to advance faster, are willing to pay for it, but donGÇÖt want to give up their identity.
We arenGÇÖt talking about huge claims for power either, some people would be willing to pay the price of a game (50 bucks) to buy enough SP to get started. A few million SP to allocate to ensure you can at least pull your weight with your buddy, nothing wrong with that. The problem they all run into is that buying a character on the market is too impersonal for these people. They are not attached to the game yet. Their whole attachment is their character. The first thing they did was painstakingly chose a race, bloodline, school, and sculpted every contour of their skeleton until it was perfect. Now, drop him, pay 50 bucks and buy xXMOMhumperSS from the market. I know he has corp history that is suspicious, but that is why he is so cheap. And that is when you lost them.
This change allows those wish to invest in their own identity a chance to compete with those who couldnGÇÖt care. The pricing will be prohibitive to make a profit off the system, the price of aurum can dictate the value of the product vs. PLEX, and they will ensure you cannot sell your SP for greater than the cost to have an account long enough to earn that SP.
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Jadek Menaheim
1nner.Heaven
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Posted - 2015.10.17 21:40:00 -
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Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:i did the math behind, and as someone who has a long standing hate from day one for skill respec's and booster stacking in dust. It's hard for me to even be mad about this EVE update.
Unless i am misunderstanding something you can get SP instantly, but it will be 10% of the SP you would get from training and waiting the 1 month, at 110% of the cost(at minimum)
Because inorder to extract the SP from one character you will have to use a character services item which i am assuming will cost one plex. so that is a base price for this service, plus whatever the person selling it will want to charge. At 5-50mil you get 20% of a month long train instantly for more than a monthly cost of a subscription. At 50-80mil you only get 10% at 80+ mil you get like 2%? Yep, and those skill packets have to come from someone willing to pony up the AUR to make an extraction system. Skill packets are going to be limited in supply for sure.
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Jadek Menaheim
1nner.Heaven
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Posted - 2015.10.17 21:43:00 -
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Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: Unless i am misunderstanding something you can get SP instantly, but it will be 10% of the SP you would get from training and waiting the 1 month, at 110% of the cost(at minimum)
I do imagine CCP is going to put a small time cap on extracting SP, otherwise you might run into the issue of hacked accounts getting their skillpoints transferred off en-mass. A mechanic like the existing biomass timer would assist here.
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Jadek Menaheim
1nner.Heaven
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Posted - 2015.10.18 02:41:00 -
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deezy dabest wrote:Holy crap I just realized something else on this.
How many vets will forego a secondary training queue and instead perfectly spec their second and / or third slots for different roles to have a possible total of 3 perfect characters while only plexing 1 account? "You can have multiple accounts logged in at the same time, but not multiple characters from the same account, so if your alt is on the same account you would need to create a new account and then transfer your alt to that account."
There's still value in multiple client play with manual input.
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Jadek Menaheim
1nner.Heaven
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Posted - 2015.10.18 03:05:00 -
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deezy dabest wrote:Jadek Menaheim wrote:deezy dabest wrote:Holy crap I just realized something else on this.
How many vets will forego a secondary training queue and instead perfectly spec their second and / or third slots for different roles to have a possible total of 3 perfect characters while only plexing 1 account? "You can have multiple accounts logged in at the same time, but not multiple characters from the same account, so if your alt is on the same account you would need to create a new account and then transfer your alt to that account." There's still value in multiple client play with manual input. Yes I understand. I was thinking more in terms of hauler characters, PI characters, wormhole holders, possibly even market trader characters, and surely some thing I am missing which do not require being multi logged. I fore see some alliances having quite a few shiny new Titan characters sitting around. I look forward to seeing more loss mail on the kill-board.
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