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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2015.10.17 00:43:00 -
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Sicerly Yaw wrote:Lost Apollo wrote:It would help if players would help the newbros out instead of telling them to "git gud" or "htfu". Players usually forget that they were new to the game at one point too. I would love the player base to grow by leaps and bounds. However, newbros will continue to leave because of ******* pub stompers. Now, those dicks earned the right to run proto and kudos for that but damn. I can run it too but i don't in pubs. I cant disagree more, you see when I first started out playing I was completely on my own, no help from anyone I had to find out how to survive on my own against proto stomps and randoms new players do need to harden up and they do need to get good but that doesn't mean they should do that overnight it simply means they need to learn the game and get better so they can compete, my suggestion is simply giving them more time to get introduced I wouldn't want them to get too comfy on easy mode I can however somewhat agree that veteran players can lend a hand but I don't mean donating apex suits and stuff like that simply working better as a team should be enough
I agree with this.
In Eve Online, you often see players tell you to harden up when things go south for you. But what do they mean by that? Well, they don't mean that they will not help you when you are new and don't know certain things yet. They will definitely help you figure out things like how to manufacture, which core skills to look for in a given profession, understanding certain words like POS, Pod, Dessy, Primaries, etc., how to understand the contract system, how to understand the market, and so on.
What they mean by "harden the frakk up" is that no one is going to hold your hand forever. Eventually, you have to learn from your own mistakes. If you were told to watch out for ISK-doubling scams, but you get caught up in one anyways, then it is YOUR fault. Not the game's or CCP's. If you got suicide ganked in high security space even after being warned ahead of time by the members of CODE and you lose your 150 million ISK exhumer filled to the brim with nice ore in the process, it is still your fault. So harden the frakk up.
That's what they mean by HTFU.
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2015.10.17 01:00:00 -
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Shaun Iwairo wrote:Sicerly, your need to disagree with everyone is clearly clouding you to the fact Apollo is with you on this. He, like you, knows the NPE is a mess and it needs fixing.
You are right that the fix needs to include much better tutorials and a longer time in the academy.
But Apollo is also right that the fix needs to include mentoring from older players.
Just because you couldn't find a quick and simple way to teach someone the basics doesn't mean that they can't be taught.
And that is another thing I agree with.
Coming from Eve Online myself, and as a current Director of Dust University, I can say that even a solid tutorial system can't possibly help a newbro out in everything. There are some things that a newbro will never learn from even the best tutorials. It's like a student in real life who just got his aircraft maintenance technician license after years of studying and testing but that doesn't make him a mechanic. What makes him/her a mechanic is years of actually working on planes. Often times, fixing an aircraft requires you to think on a level your college was never able to provide. Those textbooks you read in class are just general guidelines. Even the maintenance manuals, those things the FAA often forces you to refer to, can sometimes fail to explain a few things. I would know. I'm an aircraft mechanic.
That is what mentors or supervisors are for. They are there to help you finish learning how to be a professional aircraft mechanic by showing you tips and tricks that no school or college ever has time to show you or understand.
This is no different from video gaming. You pick up a controller to play a FPS game and the tutorials help a lot, but they don't teach you how to strategize like a veteran player. They don't teach you the tricks to being a great HAV or Derpship pilot. That is something only a veteran can help you with.
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2015.10.17 01:09:00 -
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Shaun Iwairo wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:I agree with this.
In Eve Online, you often see players tell you to harden up when things go south for you. But what do they mean by that? Well, they don't mean that they will not help you when you are new and don't know certain things yet. They will definitely help you figure out things like how to manufacture, which core skills to look for in a given profession, understanding certain words like POS, Pod, Dessy, Primaries, etc., how to understand the contract system, how to understand the market, and so on.
What they mean by "harden the frakk up" is that no one is going to hold your hand forever. Eventually, you have to learn from your own mistakes. If you were told to watch out for ISK-doubling scams, but you get caught up in one anyways, then it is YOUR fault. Not the game's or CCP's. If you got suicide ganked in high security space even after being warned ahead of time by the members of CODE and you lose your 150 million ISK exhumer filled to the brim with nice ore in the process, it is still your fault. So harden the frakk up.
That's what they mean by HTFU. We'll have to wait for Apollo to tell us what he meant by It would help if players would help the newbros out instead of telling them to "git gud" or "htfu"but I think he was referring to older players telling new players to go away and work it out themselves without help from anyone. That is bad.Telling new players to HTFU in the context of 'this game is complicated and brutal, you shouldn't get in the habit of asking someone about every little question you've got'. That is good.
Unfortunately there are a few such players in both Eve Online and Dust. I'm willing to bet that 80% of the player base that were discouraged from continuing to learn and progress are from the 20% of the player base who often told them to "work it out themselves without help from anyone."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCn8zs912OE
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Maken Tosch
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Posted - 2015.10.17 01:37:00 -
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Shaun Iwairo wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:Coming from Eve Online myself, and as a current Director of Dust University Thanks for jumping in and contributing. Obviously we agree so I'll just leave it as a +1 for what you said. How close are your guys affiliated with E-uni? EDIT: also TIL that frakk is spelled with two K's.
Very much so. We're in the exact same alliance as Eve University which is our sister corp. In fact, much of D-UNI is modeled after E-UNI. We have access to the same chat channel as the rest of the alliance and so on. Unfortunately because PC districts are restricted to Molden Heath while Eve Uni are located in another far off region and since Eve Uni seems to have a neutrality stance when it comes to Sovereignty Warfare and Factional Warfare we are unable to coordinate with them effectively in matters regarding Eve-side orbital support in either Dust-side district battles or FW battles.
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