I don't squad up because I really suck at the game, Teamwork is not fun if you are a liability

THOR, THE MAN OF BAEKJUL BOOLGOOL

You have carried this torch a long time.

Misleading title! You want squad play to be improved.

Also: if Ambush is to be solo, Domination should follow suit. After all, Domination plays more like an Ambush, but with more centralized action thanks to an often symbolic point. Domination has never been the most tactical of game modes, so why try to force it to be something its not?

Let team squad oriented players have Acquisition and Skirmish. Let solo players have Ambush and Domination.

As for incentivizations, you really need to look at the losers, not the winners. Winners (or people who look like they will win) don't quit matches, if they can help it. Losers, though...

When the cost of achieving something outweighs the benefit it provides you tend to get fairly predictable behaviors.

When the warbarge was present in pubs I tried many many times to squad with randoms. But I think some just want to run solo. I like your idea, I also can't squad all the time. Most times I want to run two battles late when I can't be on mic. Sometimes I get players that can teamwork even without a squad. Sometimes its like what are you doing! Some play to win, and some play to aaaaaa I don't know what they are playing for. I play to win, not pad stats or finish daily missions. The whole proto complaint sucks I don't join the subjects either. I feel the people that have put there time in should play what they feel like. Yes I have been stomped by pro, but you know when the players finally get there pro running they will run it also. So many variables in this game, its hard to make it perfect. But I think your thoughts are on the right track!

Sometimes people suggest something that doesn't solve a problem but gives excuse as to why the problem wasn't solved and also , feeds the nature of it's intent .

Forcing players to squad doesn't solve the problem of squad stomps , you cant mimic the cohesion that known squads that stomp from popular corporations have , they know each other well , know what each other is expected to do in multiple surroundings because that's why they do what they do , most just don't play the game besides playing with a particular group of players or squad mates , they have mics ( when most don't ) and have ran threw these maps so much that half the time they don't even have to speak to each other to be successful .

Saying that scouts promoted solo play , I have never herd that in the forums and I'm calling false , if anything scouts helped players to be more efficient and cover up their shortcomings with their high strafe , ability to fit a cloak , speed and ability to avoid detection among other highlights they had at the time , the ability to match commando HP's and still be more efficient as a assault is something else . The players who benefited ran in well known corps ( squads ) and talked about their exploits in the forums .

Sometimes people exaggerate to help push a agenda , all the while sweeping issues under the table because what they proposed became a distraction as to throw off the pressure that might have mounted that would have forced an issue to actually be attended to and maybe become a non issue from not only that pressure but what arose afterward = solution to said issue / issues .

I feel that this is one of those instances .

Could have good intentions behind it but still sweeps unbalancing issues such as poor matchmaking / no matchmaking , under the rug and at the same time offer nothing in the form of balance during combat .

Those same squads that run PRO / OFC and dominate the playing field will still do so .

Edit : This is not a solution but an enabling .

This sound like " if you can't beat them , join them . " , which is a saying that a lot of players have in the forum and that attitude doesn't solve anything , again ... sweeping said issues under the rug .

Lesser players will still end up on the lower end of the pole and this smells of more , " Kill solo play because I don't like it , they whine too much ." .. which seems like the mood that CCP is adopting , which again .. kills the choice a player has and also doesn't solve the main issue that this game has and that's matchmaking .

More solo player bias , more among the many biases of this forum and we wonder why players leave among other things ?

Can't say it's not when the writing is on the wall , you know what they say .. " looks like a duck ... and so on . "

Still doesn't solve the problem of the lack of matchmaking , known squads with a ton of knowledge and resources from well known corporations will still dominate and now you have the excuse of , " Well their in a squad so it must be because they such and just are not that good ." ... as an excuse because of the set up that a players bias has promoted , which did nothing to solve the issues of lack of matchmaking and game mode balance as to where one side isn't stacked over another .

That's the real issue but people keep pushing band aids because their just afraid of change , change for the better .

How is balancing teams bad .?. why sweeping team balancing under the rug .?. MU isn't helping so lets find a common ground where this game can shine like it should .?. but no , the have's MUST continue to crush the have not's and keep killing retention from players seeing and disliking the lack of matchmaking and the disadvantages that their faced with .

Let's give new players a stack of SP's and perks , let's force players to squad up .. let's do any and everything but what's needed and that's help to build a balancing system that would match players evenly on the teams of game modes .

Everything but what should happen .

Okay.

Make pubs solo.

Teamwork becomes for the FW&PC cesspools.

Win/Win.

Oh wait. Nobody will be satisfied with anything so long as foundational game design problems continue to exist and bork up the game and every single mode. That, and everybody sucks, everybody is a scrub wandering around on Titanic looking for french girls to draw.

I've played in matches where squads would repair me in favor of their squad , squads wouldn't watch my back and would just sit there and watch me die because I wasn't in their squad ( I'm looking at them looking in that direction and not firing a single shot until I died ) , squads that didn't hold the point because they wanted to keep moving with each other leaving me holding the point by myself .

You can't fix poor conduct or lack of team work by forcing players to squad .

Most matches that I play , squads just look out for that squad ... that's not to say it always happens but it happens enough for me to take notice .

That's not promoting team work .

I'm not trying to derail or $h!tpost you but all I'm saying is , squad play doesn't promote team work in the frame of the match .

You could have a well coordinated squad of PRO / OFC players that can take over the game and dominate the opposition and their team , their enemy are random players for the most part with no coordination much less the resources .

These squads promote themselves more then the team when they can shut down the opposition and overshadow the rest of their team in the process , leaving not much for the TEAM in the outcome .

That's why I proposed a total team of random players with the warbarge in the backdrop to make squads in , in the allotted time allowed .. this promotes the game and team because both teams are random , you allow squad creation in the warbarge , mic's and coms , talking among players that wouldn't normally speak , random mixture promotes TEAMWORK and not a squad dominating a team for the win and leaving nothing for them to do as the squad redlines the opposing team of random players .

Your playing random already for the most part so why not help newer players become better and allow team effort dictate matches , rather then squads .

Squads that overshadow the TEAM .

I see it most games I play , if I'm in a squad or not .

I don't hate squads , I just believe in the team

Let people socialize with themselves like normal people with no friends.

Buncha mamby pamby socialites. Go to a party!

(Or just remove squad benefits from pubs. They still exist? I haven't been in a squad for awhile, but we got extra WP and stuff... Make it so squadding is only a social endeavor with the ability to maybe talk tactics?}

Or maybe I'm just like that young whippersnapper, Johnathon Snow, from that Game of Pokey Chairs, and know not everything.

Remove squads from pub games full stop, that would encourage team play.. Being in a squad doesnt improve team play..

Seriously there are 16 on a team being in a 4 man squad with comms in squad actually hinders team play

This is why this game has issues... Ppl think squad and team are the same thing.. They aren't.. Put more thought into your posts as you contradicted your entire argument..