I believe CCP got burned so bad because of the Rouge Wedding that they internally woved that they will never speak aloud any plans not 100% sure.

For their business (max profit of current Dust) I believe that is the best course of action. Especially considering the critical community.

I believe CCP got burned so bad because of the Rouge Wedding that they internally woved that they will never speak aloud any plans not 100% sure.

For their business (max profit of current Dust) I believe that is the best course of action. Especially considering the critical community.

Silence leads people to believe there is no future. So people lose faith.

It's really that simple.

I believe CCP got burned so bad because of the Rouge Wedding that they internally woved that they will never speak aloud any plans not 100% sure.

For their business (max profit of current Dust) I believe that is the best course of action. Especially considering the critical community.

I believe CCP got burned so bad because of the Rouge Wedding that they internally woved that they will never speak aloud any plans not 100% sure.

For their business (max profit of current Dust) I believe that is the best course of action. Especially considering the critical community.

I also have thought the same thing as you. They got smart and decided that silence was a better option than really bad PR. However, that was 2 years ago. Timing makes all the difference. The community is ready to hear news. But maybe we're asking for bad news...in which case, it makes sense they stay silent. The money would dry up pretty fast.

Silence leads people to believe there is no future. So people lose faith.

It's really that simple.

This, pretty much.

Instead of over promising and under delivering, they have adopted a policy of talking about things when they are ready and have good reasons for doing whatever they do.

And while this can be frustrating for everyone, we should all be thankful that they understand the problems they faced in the past, and are doing their best to avoid them in the future.

This.

They have been transparent and that's how they get it up the tooter. They don't have anything solid and so wax poetic about what they WANT to do. It then makes them look like they can't develop anything effectively.


Right now they have to make sure Valkyrie doesn't go the way of DUST. They can't afford a third fail outside of EVE.


BTW, anybody on EVE and doing FW? Thinking about starting it up again.

Echoing the words of the CPM before me, I understand and agree with CCP's route of silence. Considering my rage prior, I feel that should mean something.

The transparency issue is something that is necessary, unfortunately. The CPM is trying to alleviate some of that where we can but rather than pester you guys all the time with, "We did things but can't talk about them" the only real option is update you whenever we can.

For now, just be patient. I know that is a lot to ask considering everything that has happened for the past year and a half but, be patient.

The Rouge Wedding was such an unbelievably stupid business decision that it still blows my mind. I can't believe there was more than one person in the room when that decision was made because I don't believe its statistically possible for that much stupid to be in one place at a time.

You've not dealt with many people in marketing have you?

This, pretty much.

Instead of over promising and under delivering, they have adopted a policy of talking about things when they are ready and have good reasons for doing whatever they do.

And while this can be frustrating for everyone, we should all be thankful that they understand the problems they faced in the past, and are doing their best to avoid them in the future.

Echoing the words of the CPM before me, I understand and agree with CCP's route of silence. Considering my rage prior, I feel that should mean something.

The transparency issue is something that is necessary, unfortunately. The CPM is trying to alleviate some of that where we can but rather than pester you guys all the time with, "We did things but can't talk about them" the only real option is update you whenever we can.

For now, just be patient. I know that is a lot to ask considering everything that has happened for the past year and a half but, be patient.

I understand what you are trying to do there. You are basically saying, or not not saying, that there is something that could be coming up and you have less reason now than before to be angry. That or you have really sold into the CCP lapdog thing. Considering Dennie has said the same thing before and with how vocally angry you have been with everything in the past, I am going to go with the former.

But this is still a kick in the nuts. The only way we can get ANY kind of information about the game is to metaphorically put a thermometer in Aeon's ass to get a "Rage Level"?

I have a lot of problems with this kind of reasoning. I don't mean to equate the two situations but it really does remind of the a line in Animal Farm: "Surely, none of you wishes to see Jones back?"

It is basically the same thing. "Why isn't CCP telling us about the future of the game?", "Is Legion still a thing?", "What happens in a year or two when Sony stops supporting the PS3?", "Isn't no advancement or changes to the game for years just as deadly?", "Is CCP looking into moving DUST 514 onto a different system in order to follow through with the 'promise of what DUST 514 was meant to be'?"

"Well, we don't like to talk about things until we are good and ready. Surely, you don't want another Rouge Wedding, right?"

It also kind of puts the entire fustercluck that was the 'DUST 514' keynote and progression onto CCP's playerbase and customers. "Well, YOU said you wanted information but then YOU get upset?" The hub-bub was not about 'information' but rather lack thereof. I paid the 20 bucks for the HD stream. I wish I would have recorded the chat. Everyone exploded in happiness; "Hey, maybe DUST can finally be what it was supposed to be!" "Wow, this looks great LOOK AT THAT ORBITAL!" And 23 minutes later, he was off stage.

"Wait, is that it?"
"What about my ISK and items?!"
"What about my name?"
"F*** those; I have 20 million SP because I buy monthly boosters. What about my SP, my MONEY?!"

This, of all things, infuriates me the most about this "we have learned to not talk"; it even angers me more than "do I have interest in a game that is dying and has no life support?" and "If CCP knows there is no future, it is wrong that they continue to sell skins for a high price." Rather than CCP screwing up so heavily that if it had been EVE people would be shooting at a memorial, it was those pesky children with their 'consoles' getting upset that the game might actually be playable or the narrative gets twisted to the pointless "Console vs PC" crap.

I remember sending a message to a CPM member that was along the lines of "is there anything you wish you could say but cannot? Obviously, don't go NDA breaking." Their reply was essentially "I wish I could tell you what I know and I am frankly disgusted CCP hasn't." Now, that was just one person.

However.

If CCP has sold you on "we aren't going to tell you anything so the community doesn't get upset", you are kind of the Uncle Tom of New Eden. The company screwed the pooch real, real bad. It isn't our fault we got angry after such a blunder. And it isn't out fault that many of us are still angry with how it was been handled.

Edit: didn't see this


I understand what you are trying to do there. You are basically saying, or not not saying, that there is something that could be coming up and you have less reason now than before to be angry. That or you have really sold into the CCP lapdog thing. Considering Dennie has said the same thing before and with how vocally angry you have been with everything in the past, I am going to go with the former.

But this is still a kick in the nuts. The only way we can get ANY kind of information about the game is to metaphorically put a thermometer in Aeon's ass to get a "Rage Level"?

When were people excited about the Legion announcement? There were like 7 people that were saying, "yayyyy PC Master Race" and I think those people were tarred and feathered.

Link isn't working for me.

But no I don't hang with marketers. However I'd assume the Rouge Wedding would be in textbooks for how not to do it.

I only speak for myself but this silence is going to keep me from buying anymore AUR until we hear something.

I have a lot of problems with this kind of reasoning. I don't mean to equate the two situations but it really does remind of the a line in Animal Farm: "Surely, none of you wishes to see Jones back?"

It is basically the same thing. "Why isn't CCP telling us about the future of the game?", "Is Legion still a thing?", "What happens in a year or two when Sony stops supporting the PS3?", "Isn't no advancement or changes to the game for years just as deadly?", "Is CCP looking into moving DUST 514 onto a different system in order to follow through with the 'promise of what DUST 514 was meant to be'?"

"Well, we don't like to talk about things until we are good and ready. Surely, you don't want another Rouge Wedding, right?"

It also kind of puts the entire fustercluck that was the 'DUST 514' keynote and progression onto CCP's playerbase and customers. "Well, YOU said you wanted information but then YOU get upset?" The hub-bub was not about 'information' but rather lack thereof. I paid the 20 bucks for the HD stream. I wish I would have recorded the chat. Everyone exploded in happiness; "Hey, maybe DUST can finally be what it was supposed to be!" "Wow, this looks great LOOK AT THAT ORBITAL!" And 23 minutes later, he was off stage.

"Wait, is that it?"
"What about my ISK and items?!"
"What about my name?"
"F*** those; I have 20 million SP because I buy monthly boosters. What about my SP, my MONEY?!"

This, of all things, infuriates me the most about this "we have learned to not talk"; it even angers me more than "do I have interest in a game that is dying and has no life support?" and "If CCP knows there is no future, it is wrong that they continue to sell skins for a high price." Rather than CCP screwing up so heavily that if it had been EVE people would be shooting at a memorial, it was those pesky children with their 'consoles' getting upset that the game might actually be playable or the narrative gets twisted to the pointless "Console vs PC" crap.

I remember sending a message to a CPM member that was along the lines of "is there anything you wish you could say but cannot? Obviously, don't go NDA breaking." Their reply was essentially "I wish I could tell you what I know and I am frankly disgusted CCP hasn't." Now, that was just one person.

However.

If CCP has sold you on "we aren't going to tell you anything so the community doesn't get upset", you are kind of the Uncle Tom of New Eden. The company screwed the pooch real, real bad. It isn't our fault we got angry after such a blunder. And it isn't out fault that many of us are still angry with how it was been handled.

Edit: didn't see this


I understand what you are trying to do there. You are basically saying, or not not saying, that there is something that could be coming up and you have less reason now than before to be angry. That or you have really sold into the CCP lapdog thing. Considering Dennie has said the same thing before and with how vocally angry you have been with everything in the past, I am going to go with the former.

But this is still a kick in the nuts. The only way we can get ANY kind of information about the game is to metaphorically put a thermometer in Aeon's ass to get a "Rage Level"?

If any of you bastards comes near me with a thermometer my rage level will peg out.

The Eve players were excited to hear Dust 514 was coming to PC... they cheered and everything. It's in the keynote video even.

That's exactly the approach I've taken. No hard earned money to a dead end game FILLED with bugs, glitches, teleporting, hit-detection (lack there of). The problem is the technology, right?

This is why we need CPM2 to step up their game and demand. However, I get a feeling that they don't really voice the community's opinion, rather, they feel special to be part of a select group of folks in which CCP tells them how they should behave, what they are allowed to ask, what they are allowed to talk about. Silly business.

I hope I'm wrong, but with all these half ass answers from CPM2 regarding this issue, taking the side of CCP, is troubling.

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