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Vicious Minotaur
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Posted - 2015.10.10 21:57:00 -
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You know what would really help?
Tier genocide. Put Militia, Basic, and Advanced gear into the gas chambers. Or just delete them. I don't care which.
Viscous Minotaur
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Vicious Minotaur
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Posted - 2015.10.10 22:24:00 -
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Summa Militum wrote:Vicious Minotaur wrote:You know what would really help?
Tier genocide. Put Militia, Basic, and Advanced gear into the gas chambers. Or just delete them. I don't care which. I believe technically this is true but I feel it would take too much flavor out of the game. Though I do believe Militia Gear should be removed and replaced with more racial variances of weapons and vehicles. All Militia BPOs people have can be converted to Standard BPOs.
What "flavor?"
The "ooooh! My new Rifle does [x] more DPS! It shoots the same, sounds the same, looks the same, has the same mag size, same sight, same everything except damage!"-type flavor?
The "oooohh! My shield extender has 22 more HP, but is still fundamentally identical to the blatantly obsolete shlt-tier stuff below it!"-type flavor?
Tastes more like the flavor of rotten meat to me. I think our stew could do without it.
Viscous Minotaur
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Vicious Minotaur
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Posted - 2015.10.10 22:55:00 -
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Summa Militum wrote:Vicious Minotaur wrote:Summa Militum wrote:Vicious Minotaur wrote:You know what would really help?
Tier genocide. Put Militia, Basic, and Advanced gear into the gas chambers. Or just delete them. I don't care which. I believe technically this is true but I feel it would take too much flavor out of the game. Though I do believe Militia Gear should be removed and replaced with more racial variances of weapons and vehicles. All Militia BPOs people have can be converted to Standard BPOs. What "flavor?" The "ooooh! My new Rifle does [x] more DPS! It shoots the same, sounds the same, looks the same, has the same mag size, same sight, same everything except damage!"-type flavor? The "oooohh! My shield extender has 22 more HP, but is still fundamentally identical to the blatantly obsolete shlt-tier stuff below it!"-type flavor? Tastes more like the flavor of rotten meat to me. I think our stew could do without it. I'm not going to go into details of the flavor seeing how we all have different taste buds but I will point out that given that there are a lot of people, myself included, who wish that we weren't limited to 30 fitting slots is a clear indication that this game has a lot of flavor to it.
The "flavor" as I see it,comes from the module TYPES, the suit TYPES, the weapon TYPES, and all variants within.
Tiers? How is one fitting kitted out with full Advanced stuff meaningfully different ("flavor"-wise) from the same exact fitting but with proto?
They are functionally identical, but one does more damage, has more health, stealth and better [insert trait here]. They are the same flavor, but one is simply more powerful. One may as well be obsolete.
Get rid of the sub proto tiers, and you know what? You still have 30 slots for different flavors, and you don't have to waste one on less "flavorful" (ie weaker) ones.
The best part of the game, to me, is functional variety.
@Shaun
CPU&PG differences can be replicated via new variants of, say, shield extenders that have different characteristics.
Ex: proto stays the same
Take Advantage tier, bump it to proto, keep the CPU/pg the same, and add resistances, recharge delay, whatever to it.
Boom. Kinda keeps lesser items but they add flavor
Viscous Minotaur
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Vicious Minotaur
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Posted - 2015.10.10 23:40:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Union118 wrote:
The problem with them is that they take to long to detonate even after holding.
Hold them longer? I mean, there's a pretty sizable portion of the community that would disagree with you, lol Summa Militum wrote:
Are you kidding me? Do I really have to explain this to you?
If I know you are approaching me from around the corner I can cook a grenade, time it right, and blow you to pieces before you know what is going on.
As a matter of fact I just played an Acquisition match against Doushe Gabbana at which there was a moment where both of us were positioned around the corner from one another, we had no direct line of sight to each other at any point before this moment, yet it was very obvious that both of us knew exactly where one another was positioned, we knew the speed we were approaching each other, and with my experience in the game I knew for a fact that he was going to throw a grenade at me; which he did.
***I'm editing this to add that even though Doushe Gabbana was running Proto and used a Locus Grenade against me while I was running an APEX Suit (230 Shield/492 Armor) and a 'Quafe' Assault Rifle he was not able to take me out with that grenade. Doushe Gabbana is a skilled player with plenty of experience in this game and him failing to take me out with a Locus Grenade should show that telling a newberry to use Locus Grenades to combat Proto players is not a viable or effective option.
O.o Calm your ****, yo. Vicious Minotaur wrote:You know what would really help?
Tier genocide. Put Militia, Basic, and Advanced gear into the gas chambers. Or just delete them. I don't care which. Interested to know how we go about this without a riot over STD and APEX BPOs.
Easy peasy:
We ignore my hyperbole.
I)
We keep officer.
We keep proto.
We keep advanced.
II)
Delete STD gear.
Delete Militia.
Keep the above if BPO.
III)
Turn Militia BPOs into Advanced-ish ones.
Turn Standard BPOS into Advanced ones.
APEX stuff is already Proto-ish, so they remain the same.
Effect:
Two main tiers: Advanced and Prototype. Advanced is akin to our current Basic. Cheap, or Free if you've got a BPO.
Proto is the same (maybe less expensive).
APEX is the same.
Officer items are still badass and rare.
Teir disparity lessened.
Just off the top of my head. Riot potentially averted.
Viscous Minotaur
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Vicious Minotaur
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Posted - 2015.10.11 00:21:00 -
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Summa Militum wrote:
I'm pretty sure the squads of Proto and Adv I have been slaughtering today with my 'Quafe' Assault Rifle are experiencing a much more bitter flavor than they would had I been using Proto Gear. The flavor in this game is complex.
And all the score of noobs, low-skill FPS players and the ISK poor also taste a flavor as they get their teeth kicked in.
It's called bullshlt.
Nuance can be built in other ways. Explored. But you evidently are fine with the status quo. Look at the state of the game. Why is it this way?
I can guarantee you, having all these tiers weakens the game, causes needless headaches and work for the developers. FIVE TIERS need to be balanced within and among themselves, IN ADDITION TO balancing players with regards to skill AND SP. And all that work for what? Gloating that you killed some fool with lesser gear?
Is that effort worth it? Look at our playerbase and tell me it is. Look at DUST in its current state and tell me it is.
Viscous Minotaur
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Vicious Minotaur
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Posted - 2015.10.11 00:57:00 -
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Summa Militum wrote:Vicious Minotaur wrote:Summa Militum wrote:
I'm pretty sure the squads of Proto and Adv I have been slaughtering today with my 'Quafe' Assault Rifle are experiencing a much more bitter flavor than they would had I been using Proto Gear. The flavor in this game is complex.
And all the score of noobs, low-skill FPS players and the ISK poor also taste a flavor as they get their teeth kicked in. It's called bullshlt. Nuance can be built in other ways. Explored. But you evidently are fine with the status quo. Look at the state of the game. Why is it this way? I can guarantee you, having all these tiers weakens the game, causes needless headaches and work for the developers. FIVE TIERS need to be balanced within and among themselves, IN ADDITION TO balancing players with regards to skill AND SP. And all that work for what? Gloating that you killed some fool with lesser gear? Is that effort worth it? Look at our playerbase and tell me it is. Look at DUST in its current state and tell me it is. You think I am fine with the status quo? I have been arguing against the status quo all day except I have been focusing on squads in Public Contracts and the use of Proto and Officer Gear in Public Contracts. I'm not going to support the removal of Std and Adv Gear though. Those tiers bring about the variety, in terms of capabilities, that you get when you come across any person in this game that you choose to battle against.
OK. Jumped to conclusions. A Minotaur can't help it... Anyway
Look at my post to Aeon. I amended my position. Just Militia and standard removed. Power gap lessened, putting back an emphasis on player skill. Some tier-based gobbledygook still in play, but easier to manage, I imagine.
A compromise, if you will. Is that still disagreeable? With advanced and proto, playing in pubs w/o segregation is possible. Emphasis moves on getting officer out of pubs, which would probably be met with little resistance.
Viscous Minotaur
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Vicious Minotaur
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Posted - 2015.10.11 01:19:00 -
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Press Attache wrote:So unlock advanced at level 1 of a skill and proto at 5? Makes suits a bit grindy.
Advanced at 1, proto at 3, officer at 5, maybe?
Not totally related, but unlocking, say, skins and stuff through the skill system would be nice. Could even put a different skin at each level to make it feel less grindy, too. More work for the artists, though...
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