DUST Search - Someone explain the thinking behind the AR ROF bonus to me

Alena Asakura wrote:

Sgt Kirk wrote:

Well for one the person you're responding to isn't too familiar with the lore in this case.

Don't let that confuse you. Game design and lore can go hand to hand. It's just some people quite frankly have no idea about the lore. For one, we don't put any lore aspects in game at all besides the descriptions.

I know plenty about the lore of EvE! Just because races have been forced to use each other's weapons in the past doesn't make using everyone else's weapons part of the lore of EvE. There are still racial restrictions, and they certainly are part of the game, as evidenced by the bonuses on appropriate suits. You may wish there weren't but it's a part of the EvE universe that actually makes it fun, getting around the racial restrictions. Or for people like me, proving that you can outclass all the FoTM players by sticking to training one race. It's a harder road, thanks to people who do succeed in getting these racial restrictions at least eased if not completely removed. You don't have to like the racial restrictions and feel free to try to deny they exist all you like, but they aren't going away from the EvE universe, even if you get them removed from Dust.


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Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 12	Posted - 2015.10.10 18:28:00 - [1] - Quote Eskel Bondfree wrote: Alena Asakura wrote: Why do you think that freedom of choice is the core of Dust? There is nothing in the lore of New Eden to give anyone that impression. Choosing your dropsuit, your weapon, the modules on that suit, and all the endless combinations and possibilities that come with that system are what sets Dust apart from any other team based FPS. It makes Dust unique, it's the reason why this game lives on. Take away the whole fitting system with all it's choices, and Dust 514 would be a truly terrible game with no good reaon to play it. Lore has nothing to do with. You don't let game design be dictated by game lore. You design the game first, then you add in lore that fits with your design. You can always bent the lore to go along with your design decisions if necessary, because after all, it's completely made up in the first place. Well for one the person you're responding to isn't too familiar with the lore in this case. Don't let that confuse you. Game design and lore can go hand to hand. It's just some people quite frankly have no idea about the lore. For one, we don't put any lore aspects in game at all besides the descriptions. Minmatar in the past have used weapons that aren't' of their own for survival, countless times and still do. They do what it takes to win. That's why the Repair tool was made from components of every major empire. During the Invasion of Caldari Prime the Gallente Bravo Company had to switch to using Minmatar weapons because the Caldari ECM rendered Gallente weapons useless. Races don't just not use each other's stuff. There's still plenty of freedom to do as you wish it's just the fits themselves incentives uniformity, like anything in life. (Look at Apple and Microsoft) Doesn't mean you're shoehorned into using only that races items like some lolLore "experts" would have you believe. Now somethings of course are just a bad idea, trying to Armor Tank a Caldari Commando for frontline fighting for instance is not a good idea but you can still do it if you want...for some reason. Sgt Kirk's Propaganda Youtube Channel
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 12	Posted - 2015.10.10 20:50:00 - [2] - Quote BARAGAMOS wrote: Frankly, the breach has been knocking my "new" shields off of me at ranges farther than my rail rifle now does damage to them. Not sure why an AR was supposed to be the better long range weapon........with damage mods and the DPS bonus however At 75m the kaalakiota Rail Rifle does 100% full damage at 397 DPS base damage, no damage mods, skills or anything. The Creodron Breach AR at 75 meters is at 33% efficacy and only does 174.99 DPS (against shields and Gal assault bonus I add) with the introduction of a damage mod you're doing about 206 DPS and with another damage mod you're doing 218 DPS. So, even against an Unskilled Kaalkiota Rail Rifle with no damage mods at Optimal Range (75m) you're doing 179 more DPS than a Creodron Breach AR with max Gallente Assault Skill and two damage mods outside it's optimal range of 39 meters at 75m. Now, there very well may be an issue with the breach ARs DPS around it's optimal but to say that the breach can contend with a Rail Rifle at it's range I feel is extreme hyperbole. Sgt Kirk's Propaganda Youtube Channel
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 12	Posted - 2015.10.10 20:53:00 - [3] - Quote Georgia Xavier wrote: BARAGAMOS wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: Well for one the person you're responding to isn't too familiar with the lore in this case. Don't let that confuse you. Game design and lore can go hand to hand. It's just some people quite frankly have no idea about the lore. For one, we don't put any lore aspects in game at all besides the descriptions. WE? Was not aware you did anything for CCP.....must have missed your hire date on the development team. He does more for CCP than you at the very least Don't bother paying him attention. If he wants to start flaming over trivial wording then let him have his tantrum. Replace "we" with "CCP", problem solved and moving on. Sgt Kirk's Propaganda Youtube Channel
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 12	Posted - 2015.10.10 22:02:00 - [4] - Quote Mortedeamor wrote: 501st Headstrong wrote: Am I the only one who can kill a Gal Assault???/ Killed 2 with advanced ascr..on adv amassault..they are balanced I prefer to kill them at range Also got one with breach smg so I dunno though that could been scrubby gal assaults ..if love to see how a really good gal assault user fares at range vs my lr Well, for one I'd get my ass out of there. It's a night and day difference between my performance in open area maps like the Pipeline map and the Communications outpost that is CQC. Often I'll just switch to a tank in open maps because I don't do well in open environment. Sgt Kirk's Propaganda Youtube Channel
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 12	Posted - 2015.10.11 01:40:00 - [5] - Quote Joel II X wrote: Question: What was the AR's drawback, except for range? Answer: Besides range? Hmm... Well, it has a decent magazine size as well as reserves. We can't tweak damage without it being OP. It doesn't have a great mechanic... Question: Okay. What if we took its strength to the next level? In other words, improve the CQC function? Perhaps RoF bonus? Answer: Sure, let's go with that. I say 2%. Proposed action: Loud and clear. I'll give you guys 5% bonus to AR RoF. Answer: LOLno. That's OP as shit. Lower it. Proposed action: 3%? Answer: Much better. That's the gist of it. I wanted that Bon Bon Machine Gun Sgt Kirk's Propaganda Youtube Channel
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 12	Posted - 2015.10.11 23:43:00 - [6] - Quote Alena Asakura wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: Well for one the person you're responding to isn't too familiar with the lore in this case. Don't let that confuse you. Game design and lore can go hand to hand. It's just some people quite frankly have no idea about the lore. For one, we don't put any lore aspects in game at all besides the descriptions. I know plenty about the lore of EvE! Just because races have been forced to use each other's weapons in the past doesn't make using everyone else's weapons part of the lore of EvE. There are still racial restrictions, and they certainly are part of the game, as evidenced by the bonuses on appropriate suits. You may wish there weren't but it's a part of the EvE universe that actually makes it fun, getting around the racial restrictions. Or for people like me, proving that you can outclass all the FoTM players by sticking to training one race. It's a harder road, thanks to people who do succeed in getting these racial restrictions at least eased if not completely removed. You don't have to like the racial restrictions and feel free to try to deny they exist all you like, but they aren't going away from the EvE universe, even if you get them removed from Dust. You do know who you're talking to right? I only specialize in Gallente Gear, regardless of my SP amount nothing had dropped into other races suits or weapons. You wish to turn my words into something I didn't say. To put it into simpler terms, you can choose to fit what you want. Some combinations work out, some don't. It's up to the player to decide if the fit they have is viable. Whether it be following racial doctrine or not. Example in EVE there's a ship called the Vexor Navy Issue. Gallente as we all know Active Armor tank. However, this particular drone boat has a role and a slot layout that happens to make it a nice Shield tanked drone boat that specializes in drone damage because the low slots aren't being used for armor modules but instead drone damage mods. That is an example of doing what's viable as long as it works out. An example of something not working out to your advantage would be the Gallente Deimos that gets a bonus to armor repair rate. Sure you could shield tank it, but you'd be wasting an incredibly good bonus. As well as using Autocannons on it, why would you do that? But you can if you want to. You may not be getting good results but you're not bound by anything. Only encouraged. What matters in the end are the results. Sgt Kirk's Propaganda Youtube Channel