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Jonny D Buelle
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Posted - 2015.10.09 17:57:00 -
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Eskel Bondfree wrote:Summa Militum wrote: Also, you need to use weapons that compliment your suit for best results. If you are not skilled into Gallente Assault then don't run with the Assault Rifle.
Well, what about logis, scouts, commandos? Should they just use shot guns, mass drivers and side arms? More generally, I belive every weapon should be a valid choice on any suit, not matter of its race. Freedom of choice, this is the core of Dust to me.
The freedom of choice still exists. I can run any suit with any weapon. It is recommended you use the racial rifle when running a specific assault suit, but nothing is stopping you from strapping an AScR to a GalAss, or a RR to an AmarrAss. Also nothing is etopping logis and commandos and scouts from choosing whatever they feel comfortable with.
Also I am a bit hurt your didnt mention us Sentinels, we can use light weapons too! If we wanted too..
Also think of it in terms of ships in EVE. You could fit projectile turrets on an Amarr frigate, but it will underperform, so you would want to fit Laser turrets instead.
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Posted - 2015.10.09 17:58:00 -
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501st Headstrong wrote:Am I the only one who can kill a Gal Assault???/
HMG point blank kills anyone.
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Posted - 2015.10.09 18:42:00 -
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Eskel Bondfree wrote:Jonny D Buelle wrote:Eskel Bondfree wrote:Summa Militum wrote: Also, you need to use weapons that compliment your suit for best results. If you are not skilled into Gallente Assault then don't run with the Assault Rifle.
Well, what about logis, scouts, commandos? Should they just use shot guns, mass drivers and side arms? More generally, I belive every weapon should be a valid choice on any suit, not matter of its race. Freedom of choice, this is the core of Dust to me. The freedom of choice still exists. I can run any suit with any weapon. It is recommended you use the racial rifle when running a specific assault suit, but nothing is stopping you from strapping an AScR to a GalAss, or a RR to an AmarrAss. Also nothing is etopping logis and commandos and scouts from choosing whatever they feel comfortable with. Also I am a bit hurt your didnt mention us Sentinels, we can use light weapons too! If we wanted too.. Also think of it in terms of ships in EVE. You could fit projectile turrets on an Amarr frigate, but it will underperform, so you would want to fit Laser turrets instead. I did not mention Sents because I feared people would just start flaming if I suggested a Sent player could use anything but a heavy weapon... About your point, though: if every weapon but one underperforms on a suit, than I don't consider the other weapons a viable choice anymore. Viable is the key word here. In EVE, nobody ever fits anything but racial weapons, it's common knowledge that anything else will inevitably result in total sh!tfit 99% of the time. Frankly, I don't even know why you can fit non racial weapons in EVE, because it doesn't make much sense. In other words, there is a choice, but it doesn't really matter. I don't want to see Dust become like this. But my point was: the AR should perform well as a weapon on its own, it should perform well on logis, scouts, commandos, and sentinels (and basic suits!), not only on assaults. So I was confused when the AR was buffed for assaults only, even though most people seemed to believe that the AR was a bit weak in general.
Have you not seen a Minmatar Assault using a shotgun and wrecking sh.t up? Or a Gallente Assault using an RR and racking in the kills? Last night I saw a few of them. So using a non racial weapon on an assault suit is still viable, it comes down to your skills as a player and how you fit your suit.
Yes the vanilla AR is weak, but the TAR or the Breach in the hands of a skilled Gallente Commando wrecks sh.t up. Sure Logis and Scouts and Sentinels underperform with it. But it happens, the changes that CCP put in have brought the AR back into the fold though which is brilliant.
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Posted - 2015.10.10 03:31:00 -
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Eskel Bondfree wrote:Jonny D Buelle wrote: Have you not seen a Minmatar Assault using a shotgun and wrecking sh.t up? Or a Gallente Assault using an RR and racking in the kills? Last night I saw a few of them. So using a non racial weapon on an assault suit is still viable, it comes down to your skills as a player and how you fit your suit.
Yes the vanilla AR is weak, but the TAR or the Breach in the hands of a skilled Gallente Commando wrecks sh.t up. Sure Logis and Scouts and Sentinels underperform with it. But it happens, the changes that CCP put in have brought the AR back into the fold though which is brilliant.
I didn't claim that Dust already is the same as EVE, I said I don't want it to become like it. This is what I objected to: Summa Militum wrote: If you are not skilled into Gallente Assault then don't run with the Assault Rifle.
The AR should not underperform on any suit. Period. Making it only viable on a single suit does not seem logical to me.
So the fact that most rifles underperform on a Sentinel and Logi suit should change too by that logic. Lets bring back rifle sents and slayer logis! /s
As I said before, AR variants perform well on Commandos due to its bonus to damage. So high alpha variants like the TAR and the Breach work fine. So its not like the AR is stuck to just the GalAss.
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Posted - 2015.10.10 04:30:00 -
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Clotheshanger Abortion wrote:Eskel Bondfree wrote:If I understand correctly, the reason for the AR ROF bonus on Gallente assauts was that assault rifles in general underperformed.
So now, the ARs are great on Gallente assaults, but they still underperform for everybody else except the GalAss.
Working as intended? I don't get it. Why would you use a weapon on any suit other than its racially equivalent suit? Like, seriously? Why?
Some suits work well with non racial weapons. Sometimes its due to lack of racial weapon, sometimes its the best option.
Example of lack of option: HMG used by all Sentinel suits. Is a minmatar weapon.
Example of Best Option: Shotgun is a Gallente weapon, used on all scouts and minmatar scout fittings. Magsec and Breach SMG are to go weapons for Sentinels, Logis sometimes use Mass drivers or AScR or RR. The list goes on.
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