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Sicerly Yaw
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Posted - 2015.10.09 12:14:00 -
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ok so already people are somewhat asking for AR's to get a nerf
you people have to realize that the AR's didn't change one bit
and just because you can squeeze out a few more points of damge out of it doesn't mean its the end of the world
arguably AR's where already more then capable and the buff only serves to help out the gal when going up against a caldari shiled tanker
with the buffs to shields AR's where bound to be more common to begin with
an ScR can still do far more damge to shields and at a better range then the AR, while it may be true that in CQC the AR will dominate as it has far less drawbacks other then its range, however this is something that stays true without the RoF buff
to be fair damage doesn't really change at all DPS is slightly increased but precision decreases due to that making it even less viable at range without proper control or burst fire
higher rate of fire means one thing you can land more shots in quick succession usually in CQC since your target will be bigger, this drops TTK slightly but since shields in general got a buff they can successfully survive and avoid this by out playing their counterparts, while armor doesn't really get affected as it already has a natural resistance and in most cases will have either the range to compete or an anti armor weapon which will change the advantage to them
my main point is that the AR by no means should be nerfed as it did not I repeat did not get a buff, if anything the gal assault got a buff and this should not detract from the weapons use, all assaults suits should have viable not broken mechanics that make them better with their respective weaponry without stepping on the toes of other roles
a 15% rof increase means you run out of ammo faster while a 10% damge buff means you take out your targets faster and with less bullets, I don't see people complaining about gal mandos so why complain about the gal assault
it stands to reason that anyone complaining needs to "git gud"
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Sicerly Yaw
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Posted - 2015.10.09 12:32:00 -
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IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote:I think you may have some valid points that others aren't considering, but not sure you making statements like "the AR did not get a buff" is gonna help your cause
the AR did not get a buff if that was the case every suit would benefit using it
the only thing that changed was the gal ass bonus which does buff the AR but it is not a buff to the AR it is a buff to the gal assault
not sure what you mean by help my cause as I don't really care what happens either way I use shields primarily so a nerf would benefit me, I'm just putting it out there that the AR doesn't need any nerfs
there's no good reason to ruin a gun just because only one suit can use them properly
my case in point would be the ScR and RR
one got unreasonable kick while the other slowly got nerfed to the point of only being most viable on the Amarr assault although it is still usable on other suits
the RR is now getting a kick reduction but only on a Cal assault
the way I see it we'll end up nerfing every weapon to the point that its only ever useful on its respective assault suit and or commando suit
so no It's not a "cause" I'm just tired of the dumb majority fueling unreasonable actions, I dont suffer either way as I can just respec and I don't even have to do that since i have points in all suits and all roles all I'd have to do is focus on whatever I use most at any given point
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Sicerly Yaw
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Posted - 2015.10.09 13:00:00 -
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Alena Asakura wrote:
I think generally people don't understand the importance/significance of bonuses. When you see one race's Assault suit using another's weapons, clearly there is no connection in their minds. I wonder if this is because the bonuses aren't good enough to make enough difference, or at least haven't been in the past. Perhaps this new hotfix will change all that. It really will be good to see racial suits using their own race's weapons for once! :)
I agree I would like to see more racial parity but I don't want any of the unique aspects of dust and the eve universe in general getting overshadowed for the sake of racial parity
players should have the freedom to use whatever mix and match without being punished for not conforming to what others expect
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Sicerly Yaw
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Posted - 2015.10.09 13:09:00 -
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IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote:
you can look at it from the p.o.v. of the Gal assault suit got a buff, or you can look at it from the p.o.v. of the AR got a buff, but if you're gonna get technical about it (which you are :) ) then the buff only applies when they're both used together.
A gal assault with a shotgun did not get a buff in the same way a cal assault with an AR did not get a buff. That was my point :)
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However as I said, I agree with your sentiment about the "dumb majority", just like the title of your thread says the same in less judgmental fashion ;-)
I would however describe them as the "knee jerk" majority if you want to keep on-point with your message.
I am a strong believer in the phrase "if you don't know what you are doing step aside and get out of the way of those that do"
what this means to me is that if you don't know what you are talking about or how to do something properly you need to calm down and not just spill out random nonsense that doesn't add any significant improvements to the argument
in other word if you have no idea what you are talking about shut your mouth and let those that do speak
I'm not looking at it from a gal ass perspective nor am I looking at it from the AR perspective I am looking at it in general terms and I believe the RoF buff also works for any of the hybrid weaponry that is associated with the gallente this means that shotguns and perhaps even the ion pistol also benefit not just the AR variants
I may be wrong but the skill change dictates a ROF increase to all the weapons that already benefit from the gal ass bonuses which do include the shotgun and ion pistol
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Sicerly Yaw
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Posted - 2015.10.09 13:12:00 -
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Alena Asakura wrote:Sicerly Yaw wrote:Alena Asakura wrote:
I think generally people don't understand the importance/significance of bonuses. When you see one race's Assault suit using another's weapons, clearly there is no connection in their minds. I wonder if this is because the bonuses aren't good enough to make enough difference, or at least haven't been in the past. Perhaps this new hotfix will change all that. It really will be good to see racial suits using their own race's weapons for once! :)
I agree I would like to see more racial parity but I don't want any of the unique aspects of dust and the eve universe in general getting overshadowed for the sake of racial parity players should have the freedom to use whatever mix and match without being punished for not conforming to what others expect I disagree. Racial skills should have significance. I feel racial parity is a futile pursuit. Different races have different skills and focus. Of course, people should be able to train whatever they wish, but changing from one race to another should by rights have inherent difficulties, which would show themselves with bonuses.
I agree completely a gall assault should not use an RR with more ease then a cal assault however I don't think its fair to say hinder a scout or logi using their respective weaponry just because they don't have the bonuses
the bonuses should be significant so that the assaults benefit but not game breaking so that another suit cant even slightly compete like has happened in some cases
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