DUST Search - Solution to Lopsided Battles

Death Shadow117 wrote:

Jonny D Buelle wrote:

Death Shadow117 wrote:

No we need lobbies for gamemodes.

Skirm: solo players and 4/8 man squads can join lobby doesnt deploy till full enough to make balanced team. Once deployed no leaving and no joining till match is over but can leave before it starts.

Dom/Acq: solos and 4 man squads same rules.

Amb: solo only same rules apply.

Would help Scotty keep matches to minimum and keep teams balanced.

You guys state dust is a lobby shooter so why not make it an actual lobby shooter?

Good idea except for the no leaving bit. Lets be realistic here. As a solo parent I will sometimes have to leave my match if someone happens to my daughter. Also other real life circumstances might drag me away from a match. Also what if there was a power outage or the internet packs a sh.t and drops out.

Some people do have legitimate reasons when they leave, though most do it because of protostompers, losing isk, dont want to play that map, and other bullsh.t reasons.

what I mean by LEAVING is going and pressing start and going to th leave battle button and LEAVING not dcing and not quitting the game I mean physically making the conscious decision to LEAVE the battle. Do I have to put it more plainly? That's always the same answer from you guys. IDC that you have RL problems going on go and quit the game to deal with it I mean (like I said) making the cosious decision to go hit start and leave battle. I get dcd too I have rl problems too its not like you're the only one that lives outside of dust.

To proto stomping: thes matches would be meta locked and you be able to know which map you were fighting on beforehand. Every argument you made can be fixed very easily with lobbies and meta locking... Not one or the other BOTH.

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DiablosMajora 327	Posted - 2015.10.05 17:37:00 - [1] - Quote I've heard of a potential solution to lopsided matches and would like your feedback: In the event of a lopsided match, all players on the larger team are offered the opportunity to switch sides in exchange for more isk and/or sp at the end of the match (10-20% for example). The offer is only good until the teams are even (if you're slow on the acceptance of the offer, tough luck) and is only offered once per match; you deny it and it's not offered again until another lopsided match. Plays on the whole "I'm a mercenary and only care as to what you can afford" mentality, eh? Prepare your angus
Gh0st Blade KnightKiller's inc. 53	Posted - 2015.10.05 17:50:00 - [2] - Quote Why not just have battles randomized? When is was randomized there were smaller chances of having a whole team of proto versus basic gear. I'm Casper the friendly teabagger
DiablosMajora 327	Posted - 2015.10.05 17:50:00 - [3] - Quote Deleted. Prepare your angus
Jonny D Buelle The Warlords Legion 2	Posted - 2015.10.05 17:52:00 - [4] - Quote This has been suggested in the past, and as always I support this solution. To add to it, you should be allowed to fight for the other team straight away instead of being forced to terminate and respawn. This plays on the essence of New Eden: Sabatoge and Betrayal. Director of T-W-L Keeper of the List Lord of Scrubs
LOL KILLZ LulKlz 386	Posted - 2015.10.05 18:03:00 - [5] - Quote ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ \0/
CommanderBolt Dead Man's Game 4	Posted - 2015.10.05 18:05:00 - [6] - Quote Have you even considered if DUST 514 supports team swapping mid way through battle? Or would you load out and then load back into the game on the opposing side? This is the turning point, the rising of the tide. No fear inside
DiablosMajora 327	Posted - 2015.10.05 18:16:00 - [7] - Quote CommanderBolt wrote: Have you even considered if DUST 514 supports team swapping mid way through battle? Or would you load out and then load back into the game on the opposing side? I'll leave that distinction to the people (devs) that know the back-end mechanics and processes Prepare your angus
TIGER SHARK1501 Savage Bullet RUST415 459	Posted - 2015.10.05 18:56:00 - [8] - Quote NPCs with too much HP and the sharpshooting skills of an unmanned rail installation?
Ateroith Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 187	Posted - 2015.10.05 19:04:00 - [9] - Quote Everybody loves more money. My problem with this is that if you leave your team for more money, you are considered a traitor in the EVE Online system. "...Rule #2 - Never start a fight. Rule #3 - Never lose one either." - Lee Child
Jonny D Buelle The Warlords Legion 2	Posted - 2015.10.05 19:19:00 - [10] - Quote Ateroith wrote: Everybody loves more money. My problem with this is that if you leave your team for more money, you are considered a traitor in the EVE Online system. Betrayal, Sabatoge, AWOXing, piracy and all the other good things are a part of New Eden. Hell I've backstabbed a few people in EVE. Which is why I keep my main EVE account a secret. Director of T-W-L Keeper of the List Lord of Scrubs

DiablosMajora 327	Posted - 2015.10.05 22:52:00 - [11] - Quote bump for evening folks Prepare your angus
Death Shadow117 Wolf Pack Special Forces Rise Of Legion. 853	Posted - 2015.10.06 00:09:00 - [12] - Quote No we need lobbies for gamemodes. Skirm: solo players and 4/8 man squads can join lobby doesnt deploy till full enough to make balanced team. Once deployed no leaving and no joining till match is over but can leave before it starts. Dom/Acq: solos and 4 man squads same rules. Amb: solo only same rules apply. Would help Scotty keep matches to minimum and keep teams balanced. You guys state dust is a lobby shooter so why not make it an actual lobby shooter?
Jonny D Buelle The Warlords Legion 2	Posted - 2015.10.06 00:17:00 - [13] - Quote Death Shadow117 wrote: No we need lobbies for gamemodes. Skirm: solo players and 4/8 man squads can join lobby doesnt deploy till full enough to make balanced team. Once deployed no leaving and no joining till match is over but can leave before it starts. Dom/Acq: solos and 4 man squads same rules. Amb: solo only same rules apply. Would help Scotty keep matches to minimum and keep teams balanced. You guys state dust is a lobby shooter so why not make it an actual lobby shooter? Good idea except for the no leaving bit. Lets be realistic here. As a solo parent I will sometimes have to leave my match if someone happens to my daughter. Also other real life circumstances might drag me away from a match. Also what if there was a power outage or the internet packs a sh.t and drops out. Some people do have legitimate reasons when they leave, though most do it because of protostompers, losing isk, dont want to play that map, and other bullsh.t reasons. Director of T-W-L Keeper of the List Lord of Scrubs
Thor Odinson42 Ancient Exiles. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 7	Posted - 2015.10.06 00:18:00 - [14] - Quote Fill the battles with bots and kick the worthless players as the matches go on. 5 minutes and only 100 WP, GTFO. Then a bot takes their place and at least provides entertainment for those unlucky enough to be in matches with window lickers. Seriously, port it. Hurry
Dreis ShadowWeaver Abstract Requiem 8	Posted - 2015.10.06 00:31:00 - [15] - Quote I do think there should be a way to swap sides to manually try to correct matchmaking. Most other online FPS's have this feature. There are also safeguards in place to stop the matches becoming too lopsided by manipulation of this feature. Creator of the Nova Knifers United channel Dreis' Minja Blog CEO of Abstract Requiem
Shaun Iwairo Simple Minded People Pty. Ltd. 25	Posted - 2015.10.06 00:36:00 - [16] - Quote Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: There are also safeguards in place to stop the matches becoming too lopsided by manipulation of this feature. If x amount of your team is pushed back into the redline, powerups start spawning in your MCC! Overshield Mech Suit Free Tanks Free Orbitals
Death Shadow117 Wolf Pack Special Forces Rise Of Legion. 853	Posted - 2015.10.06 00:39:00 - [17] - Quote Jonny D Buelle wrote: Death Shadow117 wrote: No we need lobbies for gamemodes. Skirm: solo players and 4/8 man squads can join lobby doesnt deploy till full enough to make balanced team. Once deployed no leaving and no joining till match is over but can leave before it starts. Dom/Acq: solos and 4 man squads same rules. Amb: solo only same rules apply. Would help Scotty keep matches to minimum and keep teams balanced. You guys state dust is a lobby shooter so why not make it an actual lobby shooter? Good idea except for the no leaving bit. Lets be realistic here. As a solo parent I will sometimes have to leave my match if someone happens to my daughter. Also other real life circumstances might drag me away from a match. Also what if there was a power outage or the internet packs a sh.t and drops out. Some people do have legitimate reasons when they leave, though most do it because of protostompers, losing isk, dont want to play that map, and other bullsh.t reasons. what I mean by LEAVING is going and pressing start and going to th leave battle button and LEAVING not dcing and not quitting the game I mean physically making the conscious decision to LEAVE the battle. Do I have to put it more plainly? That's always the same answer from you guys. IDC that you have RL problems going on go and quit the game to deal with it I mean (like I said) making the cosious decision to go hit start and leave battle. I get dcd too I have rl problems too its not like you're the only one that lives outside of dust. To proto stomping: thes matches would be meta locked and you be able to know which map you were fighting on beforehand. Every argument you made can be fixed very easily with lobbies and meta locking... Not one or the other BOTH.
Thor Odinson42 Ancient Exiles. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 7	Posted - 2015.10.06 00:40:00 - [18] - Quote It would be great if they could just keep adding players to the crappy side. Seriously, port it. Hurry
Death Shadow117 Wolf Pack Special Forces Rise Of Legion. 853	Posted - 2015.10.06 00:41:00 - [19] - Quote Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: I do think there should be a way to swap sides to manually try to correct matchmaking. Most other online FPS's have this feature. There are also safeguards in place to stop the matches becoming too lopsided by manipulation of this feature. and most other fps's have lobbies...
Shaun Iwairo Simple Minded People Pty. Ltd. 25	Posted - 2015.10.06 00:49:00 - [20] - Quote OK what about this: Matches start with 12 v 12, and as the game progresses Scotty can add up to 8 players to the team that's doing poorly. Considering the huge gulf in skill in the small playerbase, a 20 v 12 could end up being a fairly even fight.

Jonny D Buelle The Warlords Legion 2	Posted - 2015.10.06 01:00:00 - [21] - Quote Death Shadow117 wrote: Jonny D Buelle wrote: Death Shadow117 wrote: No we need lobbies for gamemodes. Skirm: solo players and 4/8 man squads can join lobby doesnt deploy till full enough to make balanced team. Once deployed no leaving and no joining till match is over but can leave before it starts. Dom/Acq: solos and 4 man squads same rules. Amb: solo only same rules apply. Would help Scotty keep matches to minimum and keep teams balanced. You guys state dust is a lobby shooter so why not make it an actual lobby shooter? Good idea except for the no leaving bit. Lets be realistic here. As a solo parent I will sometimes have to leave my match if someone happens to my daughter. Also other real life circumstances might drag me away from a match. Also what if there was a power outage or the internet packs a sh.t and drops out. Some people do have legitimate reasons when they leave, though most do it because of protostompers, losing isk, dont want to play that map, and other bullsh.t reasons. what I mean by LEAVING is going and pressing start and going to th leave battle button and LEAVING not dcing and not quitting the game I mean physically making the conscious decision to LEAVE the battle. Do I have to put it more plainly? That's always the same answer from you guys. IDC that you have RL problems going on go and quit the game to deal with it I mean (like I said) making the cosious decision to go hit start and leave battle. I get dcd too I have rl problems too its not like you're the only one that lives outside of dust. To proto stomping: thes matches would be meta locked and you be able to know which map you were fighting on beforehand. Every argument you made can be fixed very easily with lobbies and meta locking... Not one or the other BOTH. You mad at nothing bro. I just pointed out a single flaw and that people have lives outside of games, never implied you didnt, so calm yourself. Also those people who leave for bullsh.t reasons that don't have to deal with real life stuff at the time can still do it by powering off their PS3 and turning it back on or going into the XMB and quitting the game. Your solution of removing the leave battle option solves nothing. Lobby matches are good, however meta locking would mean the rise of heavies in the lower meta as you can have a proto sentinel suit with 38 meta level, that includes proto weapons and mods. We have the lowest amount of slots and the lowest meta. Protostomping will be replaced with heavy stomping. Rifle Sentinels would be a thing again or even proto commandos in the low meta matches. If you put the meta lock too low, you will have the same problem we have now: Protostomping. Having the ability to change to the opposing force on the spot would be a decent fix. Another solution would be to fix the meta level on heavies then introduce the meta lock, but as it stands now, meta locking will not help. Director of T-W-L Keeper of the List Lord of Scrubs
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 21	Posted - 2015.10.06 01:07:00 - [22] - Quote Jonny D Buelle wrote: Good idea except for the no leaving bit. Lets be realistic here. As a solo parent I will sometimes have to leave my match if someone happens to my daughter. STOP SHATTERING MY ILLUSIONS OF YOUR PERSONA! You are a foul mouthed, cigar smoking, gin swilling, whoremongering, anarchist! Em shah tey et naGÇÖemsaer ek rahvi, amarr osedah gasi ubday pahk. Ekin tey vahka ijed div ema ziel. Et tey vamatal em.
Jonny D Buelle The Warlords Legion 2	Posted - 2015.10.06 01:12:00 - [23] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Jonny D Buelle wrote: Good idea except for the no leaving bit. Lets be realistic here. As a solo parent I will sometimes have to leave my match if someone happens to my daughter. STOP SHATTERING MY ILLUSIONS OF YOUR PERSONA! You are a foul mouthed, cigar smoking, gin swilling, whoremongering, anarchist! Sorry, let me rephrase that: F.cking dumba.s I got to get some more whiskey before the shop closes. Can't do that sh.t if I'm stuck in battle. Also I got Madamn Cavesa coming later. I can't f.ck and play at the same time! Director of T-W-L Keeper of the List Lord of Scrubs
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 21	Posted - 2015.10.06 01:13:00 - [24] - Quote Jonny D Buelle wrote: True Adamance wrote: Jonny D Buelle wrote: Good idea except for the no leaving bit. Lets be realistic here. As a solo parent I will sometimes have to leave my match if someone happens to my daughter. STOP SHATTERING MY ILLUSIONS OF YOUR PERSONA! You are a foul mouthed, cigar smoking, gin swilling, whoremongering, anarchist! Sorry, let me rephrase that: F.cking dumba.s I got to get some more whiskey before the shop closes. Can't do that sh.t if I'm stuck in battle. Also I got Madamn Cavesa coming later. I can't f.ck and play at the same time! The Johnny I know could! Em shah tey et naGÇÖemsaer ek rahvi, amarr osedah gasi ubday pahk. Ekin tey vahka ijed div ema ziel. Et tey vamatal em.
Jonny D Buelle The Warlords Legion 2	Posted - 2015.10.06 01:18:00 - [25] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Jonny D Buelle wrote: True Adamance wrote: Jonny D Buelle wrote: Good idea except for the no leaving bit. Lets be realistic here. As a solo parent I will sometimes have to leave my match if someone happens to my daughter. STOP SHATTERING MY ILLUSIONS OF YOUR PERSONA! You are a foul mouthed, cigar smoking, gin swilling, whoremongering, anarchist! Sorry, let me rephrase that: F.cking dumba.s I got to get some more whiskey before the shop closes. Can't do that sh.t if I'm stuck in battle. Also I got Madamn Cavesa coming later. I can't f.ck and play at the same time! The Johnny I know could! That Jonny ended up dying too many times because some wh.re wanted to use his contoller as a dildo. Director of T-W-L Keeper of the List Lord of Scrubs
DiablosMajora 329	Posted - 2015.10.06 06:38:00 - [26] - Quote wubba lubaa bump bump Prepare your angus
Vicious Minotaur 2	Posted - 2015.10.06 06:48:00 - [27] - Quote I have a better solution: Put the 'lop' in the middle rather than on one of the two sides. BOOM. Battles are no longer lopsided. I am a minotaur. You are not a minotaur.
jane stalin free dropships for newbs 462	Posted - 2015.10.06 09:41:00 - [28] - Quote I would love to be able to swap sides or leave the battle with some ISK and warpoints and be put in a different battle where people are losing, (there would be times were there are 2 different lopsided battles at the same time but the different battle could be next week)
Clone D Solo Zen 2	Posted - 2015.10.06 11:28:00 - [29] - Quote TIGER SHARK1501 wrote: NPCs with too much HP and the sharpshooting skills of an unmanned rail installation? Note to CCP: tone down the AI accuracy of unmanned installations. Oh, the absurdity!


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