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Aiwha Bait Incorruptibles 279	Posted - 2015.09.30 07:57:00 - [1] - Quote Hey! Thought I'd reply. First off, I'm on mobile, so forgive any spelling/grammatical errors! It's also 3:45am EST, just got done watching Taken (mediocre movie, great action, blandiah and predictable plot, yada yada yada), so I'm a little out of it. From a logi standpoint, hell yes, equipment cost does need to be reduced. It's ridiculous that I pay 26k ISK for a proto tool (I can't bring myself to use anything less than a Six Kin Repper). I have a BPO needle, and I use it. Fck paying for any other level. You get more WPs by picking with a 30% needle and repping back to health. More WP = more money, and for a logi, you play to break even, or at least I do. Call me a * logi. I am, I know. I'm rambling though. I'll answer your questions, and provide a solution. a) Oh my God, yes. PLEASE change it. Make it lower. Standardize the damn prices. I'm not a market guy, so idk what they should be, but the current is too damn high. b) As far "pain points", I assume you mean what is a pain in the ass to buy? For me, repair tools. I use all STD equipment (BPO needle, STD hives, and STD links on my Min Logi), except for tools, because that's how I roll. Rep tools are so expensive that I have resorted to running MFW, paying like 150LP and 5.5k-ish ISK to get the Republic Boundless, I think it is. 26k is stupid ridiculous, and these high prices, I feel, discourage newbies from playing logi. c) Pros for changing prices? Everybody will be running logi :P People complain about blueberries not doing **, well now they will be. :P For real though, you'll be helping all logis, and wannabe logis, by taking a burden off their wallet every time they have to restock, which will allow them to run logi more! More reps for you, more points for me, you drop an orbital. It's a win, win, win, loss (for the cranberries ). d) Cons? Everybody will be running logi, and the forums will be filled with " stop motherfucking logi-ing, pussies" posts Quite humorous to read if you're a forum warrior. More cons....ehh....REs and cloaks everywhere :P This will lead to a scanner, RE, and cloak nerf :P But that's why you only would lower prices for links, hives, needles, and rep tools. :P Oh, and lower scanner prices too. There are some people who actually use a Gallente logi for what it was meant to be used for, I hear ;) Solution in the next post. :D "Bait is too adorable to stab" - Zaria Min Deir Writer and Editor for Biomassed
Aiwha Bait Incorruptibles 279	Posted - 2015.09.30 08:14:00 - [2] - Quote Aaaaand now the solution! Ripley Riley brought this up recently, and Ive echoed it on the most recent Biomassed Podcast (http://biomassed.net/2015/09/29/episode-73-av-on-hand/ Near the end). What needs to happen is REMOVE ALL MILITIA GEAR from the game. Suits, weapons, equipment, etc. All of it It serves no purpose. Then what you do is make some BPOs. STD links, scanners, hives, needles, and rep tools become BPOs, and available to ALL. This will save all new logis, current logis, and literally every player (cmon now. I know you all have STD hives on your Assault suits) ISK. Especially the logis though. "Why not make cloaks and REs BPOs while you're at it?" You ask. Well hey, ** you. I'm not giving you the "DUST 514 How to be a Starter Pack" for free. Oh, and suits. ***** make suits cheaper. It think it's like, 1500 for a "X-Y" suit, 3k for a "X/Y" suit, and 8k and some change for a "X.Y" suit. That's crazy. 1500 for dashes, 2500 for slashes, and 3500-4k for proto suits is very reasonable in my mind. I hate paying so much for my ADV logi suits every time I restock. It's like I'm banging my head against a wall. Know why? Because I just lost what I made in 2 matches buying suits. In Biomassed, I think it was Pokey who said he didn't like the idea of BPOs being everywhere, or something like that. If you agree with him, here's an idea; lower suit and equipment price. Like, I'ma reference this sheet Aeon linked. Wanna see something stupid? The price difference between ADV and Proto. I literally laughed so hard there were tears in my eyes and I pissed my shorts a little. It's laughable. I'm not a mathy guy, or a numbersy guy, but just by eyeballing it, proto costs 1.5x more than ADV on a lot of these things. Weapons too, I'm sure, but this isnt the topic. I propose the BPO thing I posted above. As for new proposed prices, I'll take anything if it's substantially lower than the current prices. k. 4:15am. Off to bed. School in 2 hours. Will be happy to answer any questions though "Bait is too adorable to stab" - Zaria Min Deir Writer and Editor for Biomassed
Aiwha Bait Incorruptibles 279	Posted - 2015.09.30 16:41:00 - [3] - Quote Looking at the new numbers for equipment. Why the hell did needles go up 150 ISK at the standard level? If anything, links and hives should see a price increase because you use more of them, if that makes sense. Rel tool price is still too much, for my taste, at the proto level (Six Kin), but it's better than 21k. I wouldn't pay more than 10k from the regular market. Even then, I'd still go to the LP store and get my tools. Love the nanohive price drop. <3 All things considered, the numbers look fantstic though. Much better than what they were. I'm still in support of getting rid of all MLT stuff, and making logi related equipment a BPO at standard level, but this is a start. "Bait is too adorable to stab" - Zaria Min Deir Writer and Editor for Biomassed
Aiwha Bait Incorruptibles 279	Posted - 2015.09.30 18:17:00 - [4] - Quote Saint Winter wrote: Hello everyone . I think it would be better to cut the price of some equipment. Which I would like to change them the price is Focused Armor Repairer , I say that 35,000 to 25,000 or 21,180ISK. Why Change The Price : Well it costs too much for a restful, clear but has a magnificent repair rate , but have the smallest range and minor than a militia variant , so I say that this should have cost . Another thing I'd like to give him a buff range of 7.5 to 9.0 m to the Focused Armor Repairer . In relation to the other variants they are very well so I think they left the current price. I have nothing to say . Thanks for read my idea . ....you do realize the Core Focused is like that for a reason, right? "Bait is too adorable to stab" - Zaria Min Deir Writer and Editor for Biomassed
Aiwha Bait Incorruptibles 281	Posted - 2015.09.30 23:14:00 - [5] - Quote CELESTA AUNGM wrote: I prefer the price to frighten players from doing "casual" logi work, and reserve the work for those who will pay the extra cost because they want to be LOGI devotees. First off, in pretty insulted that you called what I do "casual logi work" (1k WP per match, I assume is "casual"). I will " hardcore logi" a lot of the time, but when I'm not, guess what, I'm either logi-ing or sniping. I have a bad gun game (ask my corp mates. I'm always going negative :P), and a logistical support role is something that I'm good at. So please, don't insult how I play just because you think you can do it better, which is what you're implying with statements like "casual logi work" :) While I admire this statement, I don't necessarily agree with it. Even a high price that "frightens players from doing 'casual' logi work..." those who do well will still die a bunch in matches, even in proto (turns out proto gear does not make you a DUST God). Those people will lose ISK, even if they run full proto, which is expensive, obviously. Even those of us who run STD and ADV gear will ultimately lose more money than we make, with the current prices. Now, if the prices were lowered, I would gamble and say you'd see more people doing more than "casual logi work", which would help the team in the long run. Nobody likes to lose ISK, clearly, and the logi role is one of the most brutal roles, as far as ISK made to ISK lost. This discourages players from being a logi. If the ISK Lost/ISK Made ratio were better, more people would logi, and you'd see more people advancing their logi skills, which would produce more " hardcore logi players". We all have to start somewhere before we get to your "god tier" logi skills. You started with "casual logi work" I can almost guarantee :) "Bait is too adorable to stab" - Zaria Min Deir Writer and Editor for Biomassed
Aiwha Bait Incorruptibles 283	Posted - 2015.10.02 13:54:00 - [6] - Quote Kinda unrelated, but what if each tier of needles not only healed for more on pick up, but also picked up faster? STD needles took the normal time to pick, ADV picked maybe a second quicker, and Proto picked even quicker. "Bait is too adorable to stab" - Zaria Min Deir Writer and Editor for Biomassed

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