DUST Search - You stat padders win.

Worthless Target wrote:

deezy dabest wrote:

Worthless Target wrote:

deezy dabest wrote:

axis alpha wrote:

I feel you. **** the stats dude. Get in an apex and kill as many as you can. You are costing them isk. They kill you and hardly get any isk from it and if kill them a couple times you at least take 100k from their wallet. I run in with an isk fit fit then once I die I just hop in my bpo fit.

Profit.

I'm done worrying about my kd. I had a constant 2.3 and above kd I know what I'm capable of I don't need to prove **** to anyone.

Its not really the stats I care about its just depressing having spent so much time and money on this game only to be slaughtered over and over with absolutely no purpose. So much work goes into PC which only a small % of people care about while basic mechanics that affect the entire population have just been entirely over looked.

The mechanics are working as intended, you just haven't accepted your roll yet.

So it is intended that 9 times out of 10 it is more profitable to sit in the red line than fight?

It is intended that people can run new players right out of the game with zero risk and zero reward for the newbies that actually try to fight them?

I have every ROLE I need and can go ISK positive no matter what thanks to my 7 apex suits but what fun is that? I though New Eden was suppose to be about fighting and balancing risk versus reward?

The second one is correct. You either stomp, or you get stomped. That is how the game works. If you don't like being the meat, then pack some proto on.

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deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP Evil Syndicate Alliance. 3	Posted - 2015.09.29 17:51:00 - [1] - Quote I have decided that for now on any time I go 3 deaths negative I will be leaving battle or hanging out in the MCC. I refuse to be called a ****** player because I was one of 3 people fighting 12 after you have done exactly what I am referring to above. I refuse to waste my time and frustration accomplishing absolutely nothing besides losing ISK and setting my self up for listening to some scrubs to talk about how their useless stats are better than my useless stats. Do you think I enjoy going 5 - 0 - 20 because I was literally the only one within 50 meters of the fight and I was being perma scanned and hunted down by a swarm of killer bees? I encourage every one to do the same until CCP finally gets around to figuring out what incentive to fight means. Fix your game CCP. A ps4 has been catching my eye more and more lately. ++ Remove NPC orbitals from FW -- Fix orbital timers for Eve players assisting in Planetary Conquest ++
deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP Evil Syndicate Alliance. 3	Posted - 2015.09.29 18:02:00 - [2] - Quote Axel Giatsu wrote: Don't join the Destiny/Planetside 2 side yet have faith that CCP will do something and they might just surprise you. For the time being quitting is not really on my mind but I find myself less willing to even login to Dust. We have battled the same broken mechanics for the entire life of this game. Back when SP differences were not so huge it was something that could be over looked but we have ended up in a very deep hole which it would seem is being totally overlooked either because of lack of developer resources or just because as a community we are buying up skins faster than they can make them. ++ Remove NPC orbitals from FW -- Fix orbital timers for Eve players assisting in Planetary Conquest ++
deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP Evil Syndicate Alliance. 3	Posted - 2015.09.29 18:03:00 - [3] - Quote 7th Son 7 wrote: I recommend picking up that PS4 regardless of what's happening in Dust bro I want to but I also really want to hold out for the PS4 slim. So far nothing major has gotten my attention but the rate I am losing friends to the PS4 says my will power has to give out at some point. ++ Remove NPC orbitals from FW -- Fix orbital timers for Eve players assisting in Planetary Conquest ++
deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP Evil Syndicate Alliance. 3	Posted - 2015.09.29 18:11:00 - [4] - Quote axis alpha wrote: I feel you. ** the stats dude. Get in an apex and kill as many as you can. You are costing them isk. They kill you and hardly get any isk from it and if kill them a couple times you at least take 100k from their wallet. I run in with an isk fit fit then once I die I just hop in my bpo fit. Profit. I'm done worrying about my kd. I had a constant 2.3 and above kd I know what I'm capable of I don't need to prove ** to anyone. Its not really the stats I care about its just depressing having spent so much time and money on this game only to be slaughtered over and over with absolutely no purpose. So much work goes into PC which only a small % of people care about while basic mechanics that affect the entire population have just been entirely over looked. ++ Remove NPC orbitals from FW -- Fix orbital timers for Eve players assisting in Planetary Conquest ++
deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP Evil Syndicate Alliance. 3	Posted - 2015.09.29 18:22:00 - [5] - Quote Worthless Target wrote: deezy dabest wrote: axis alpha wrote: I feel you. ** the stats dude. Get in an apex and kill as many as you can. You are costing them isk. They kill you and hardly get any isk from it and if kill them a couple times you at least take 100k from their wallet. I run in with an isk fit fit then once I die I just hop in my bpo fit. Profit. I'm done worrying about my kd. I had a constant 2.3 and above kd I know what I'm capable of I don't need to prove ** to anyone. Its not really the stats I care about its just depressing having spent so much time and money on this game only to be slaughtered over and over with absolutely no purpose. So much work goes into PC which only a small % of people care about while basic mechanics that affect the entire population have just been entirely over looked. The mechanics are working as intended, you just haven't accepted your roll yet. So it is intended that 9 times out of 10 it is more profitable to sit in the red line than fight? It is intended that people can run new players right out of the game with zero risk and zero reward for the newbies that actually try to fight them? I have every ROLE I need and can go ISK positive no matter what thanks to my 7 apex suits but what fun is that? I though New Eden was suppose to be about fighting and balancing risk versus reward? ++ Remove NPC orbitals from FW -- Fix orbital timers for Eve players assisting in Planetary Conquest ++
deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP Evil Syndicate Alliance. 3	Posted - 2015.09.29 18:32:00 - [6] - Quote Worthless Target wrote: deezy dabest wrote: Worthless Target wrote: deezy dabest wrote: axis alpha wrote: I feel you. ** the stats dude. Get in an apex and kill as many as you can. You are costing them isk. They kill you and hardly get any isk from it and if kill them a couple times you at least take 100k from their wallet. I run in with an isk fit fit then once I die I just hop in my bpo fit. Profit. I'm done worrying about my kd. I had a constant 2.3 and above kd I know what I'm capable of I don't need to prove ** to anyone. Its not really the stats I care about its just depressing having spent so much time and money on this game only to be slaughtered over and over with absolutely no purpose. So much work goes into PC which only a small % of people care about while basic mechanics that affect the entire population have just been entirely over looked. The mechanics are working as intended, you just haven't accepted your roll yet. So it is intended that 9 times out of 10 it is more profitable to sit in the red line than fight? It is intended that people can run new players right out of the game with zero risk and zero reward for the newbies that actually try to fight them? I have every ROLE I need and can go ISK positive no matter what thanks to my 7 apex suits but what fun is that? I though New Eden was suppose to be about fighting and balancing risk versus reward? The second one is correct. You either stomp, or you get stomped. That is how the game works. If you don't like being the meat, then pack some proto on. I dont care what you run. 1 person by their self against 10 - 12 people because NONE of your team is fighting is a lost cause. Add in to that that whatever I kill I will end up with fractions of a percent of that ISK while the guys not fighting get the rest of it and you get a real waste of time. ++ Remove NPC orbitals from FW -- Fix orbital timers for Eve players assisting in Planetary Conquest ++
deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP Evil Syndicate Alliance. 3	Posted - 2015.09.29 18:35:00 - [7] - Quote Bri Bub wrote: deezy dabest wrote: ...So much work goes into PC which only a small % of people care about while basic mechanics that affect the entire population have just been entirely over looked. I was with you the entire thread until this bit... PC sucks as bad as any other mode in DUST and what was done was to re-label it PC 2.0 and add command points and district kredits which until recently couldn't even be spent... The same **** mechanics that effect all games modes effect PC... Not looking to use your thread to advocate anything for PC but you need to know it's not CCP's non-existent time investment in PC that allows the rest of the game to flounder... PC saw almost an entire rebuild while pubs and FW can not even get proper incentive to fight. PC is not affected by this broken garbage because it already has an incentive to win. Obviously the work on PC was great because the ISK fountain was finally cut off but what does it matter attempting to get people into PC when we can not even get them to stick around for more than a few public contracts. ++ Remove NPC orbitals from FW -- Fix orbital timers for Eve players assisting in Planetary Conquest ++
deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP Evil Syndicate Alliance. 3	Posted - 2015.09.29 18:49:00 - [8] - Quote IceShifter Childhaspawn wrote: That is part of the the problem. Standard gear should be viable. It isnt. Advanced should be the go to suit. It isnt. Proto/ O gear should be hard to attain and painful when lost. It isnt. The ttk is so low it is infuriating to try to fight. Try the fight, if your opponent it shown to be these 'stat padders' leave afk whatever. They dont want a fight, they want to stomp. Viability really comes back to the TTK. I remember a time when this game was about gun game even tho we were all just using FOTM fits. Now it really just comes down to getting the first shot in. The way to both curb pro stomping AND increase will to fight is a keep what you kill system. Running proto and slaughtering 20 militia suits for a net reward of a few thousand isk only to die once and give that one player that finally got you 50k isk out of your pocket is the most painful thing I can imagine as well as the most rewarding feeling ever for a low level player. I do not think proto should be any more hard to obtain than it is now it just should not be so easily rewarded when all you have done is eliminated risk. ++ Remove NPC orbitals from FW -- Fix orbital timers for Eve players assisting in Planetary Conquest ++
deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP Evil Syndicate Alliance. 3	Posted - 2015.09.29 18:54:00 - [9] - Quote Worthless Target wrote: deezy dabest wrote: I dont care what you run. 1 person by their self against 10 - 12 people because NONE of your team is fighting is a lost cause. Add in to that that whatever I kill I will end up with fractions of a percent of that ISK while the guys not fighting get the rest of it and you get a real waste of time. Well then what is you're cause, kills, money? That in itself is a lost cause if you don't proto stomp. I sufficiently fulfil my role without the need of isk. Personally I only care about wins. Winning is fun and the point of any game last time I checked. No matter what you try to do you can not fill every role on the battle field while the rest of your team sits in the red line or runs around the outside hoping to get 1 lucky kill while doing absolutely nothing to assist in the match itself. A new player does not have a snow balls chance in hell because even when they go advanced they have little to no support and end up burning a huge portion of their couple million ISK they have saved up. I completely understand why they say screw this match so quickly. Managing profitability is an important aspect of this game and a big part of what makes it unique. Unfortunately all of the current setup says to be profitable you must either not participate or must run free suits. ++ Remove NPC orbitals from FW -- Fix orbital timers for Eve players assisting in Planetary Conquest ++
deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP Evil Syndicate Alliance. 3	Posted - 2015.09.29 19:39:00 - [10] - Quote Vicious Minotaur wrote: deezy dabest wrote: .... Personally I only care about wins. Winning is fun and the point of any game last time I checked. Is it not possible to win and not have an iota of fun? Is it not possible to lose and have gobs of fun? Enjoy your "winning"... oh, wait, that's right. You can't seem to win to save your life (I can't, either). Perhaps you should get a sqad together, don proto/officer gear like a permanent skin, and FOTM like there's no tomorrow. That should be fun: jumping around, spamming Agimus MD rounds, whilst your Gallogi squad mate permascans everybody. Sure not winning can be fun but those are good fights which are growing more and more scarce everyday. ++ Remove NPC orbitals from FW -- Fix orbital timers for Eve players assisting in Planetary Conquest ++

deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP Evil Syndicate Alliance. 3	Posted - 2015.09.29 20:36:00 - [11] - Quote WyrmHero1945 wrote: You guys should really stop playing dom for a while. Try skirmish, even though there's still stomping and redline as usual, it isn't that recurrent. I totally agree but only allowing 4 man squads and having nearly the same wait as FW makes FW far more attractive. ++ Remove NPC orbitals from FW -- Fix orbital timers for Eve players assisting in Planetary Conquest ++