I think weapon customization could really bring Dust 514 to new levels.
Weapons now are all pre-made and balanced by CCP but with a system "fitting" for weapons we could truly personalize our guns much like we do with vehicles and Dropsuits.

Dust 514 now lives on Skill : the more skills you have the better you are and the more option you have.
I understand the necessity of skills like accuracy, faster reload, carry more weight, but having something like a "damage bonus" from Skill is terrible.
Better Skills, which are the result of experience, can increase the effectiveness of how you handle weapons (accuracy, reload speed, ect...) but it's no like a 50cal bullets deals more damage thanks to my skill: I can be more accurate, and so maximize the effectiveness of bullets, but my skill can't alter the physical the proprieties of the bullet...my skills can't turn steel bullets into diamond bullets to make them more devastating.

Also Skills gives us access to higher weapon tiers but with fitting this limitation would disappear; really why do we need a skill use a better Scope or a burst LAR?
Why can't i just buy the better scope and put it on my Militia Sniper Rifler.
Do you want a LAR wiht burst mode: buy a mod and fit it in your LAR, not skill up to use a pre-made model.
Do you want a more stable LAR: buy a better barrel, a tripod, a stabilization module...a nice combo with to the accuracy skill IMO.
Do you want more bullets in your MAG: buy bigger mag not upgrade a skill.
Do you want you gun to fire faster, to have a higher muzzle velocity: buy a new "bullet propulsion system", a mod.

Surely we would need skills to use each weapon, want to use a HMG you must be skilled/trained for that, but we should not have skills to simply access variants/tiers of the same weapon.

Share you thoughts.

Now I know that dust has an amazing level of customization, which I absolutely love. My only issue is it only pertains to the loadout and none to the weapon.

Well I don't know exactly how scripts work but as long as they give the same results I am fine whit it.
We simply used the FPS terminology here ;)

I guess it's a minor thing, but I care about aesthetics. It looks silly to me for a guy in a caldari suit to be toting a minmitar smg or how these ar's might be from different races but all look exactly the same. Maybe they don't and someone could clarify cuz I'm an smg user. The smg's do look a lil different, but that's only in the paint job.

I think weapon customization could really bring Dust 514 to new levels.
Weapons now are all pre-made and balanced by CCP but with a system "fitting" for weapons we could truly personalize our guns much like we do with vehicles and Dropsuits.

Dust 514 now lives on Skill : the more skills you have the better you are and the more option you have.
I understand the necessity of skills like accuracy, faster reload, carry more weight, but having something like a "damage bonus" from Skill is terrible.
Better Skills, which are the result of experience, can increase the effectiveness of how you handle weapons (accuracy, reload speed, ect...) but it's no like a 50cal bullets deals more damage thanks to my skill: I can be more accurate, and so maximize the effectiveness of bullets, but my skill can't alter the physical the proprieties of the bullet...my skills can't turn steel bullets into diamond bullets to make them more devastating.

Also Skills gives us access to higher weapon tiers but with fitting this limitation would disappear; really why do we need a skill use a better Scope or a burst LAR?
Why can't i just buy the better scope and put it on my Militia Sniper Rifler.
Do you want a LAR wiht burst mode: buy a mod and fit it in your LAR, not skill up to use a pre-made model.
Do you want a more stable LAR: buy a better barrel, a tripod, a stabilization module...a nice combo with to the accuracy skill IMO.
Do you want more bullets in your MAG: buy bigger mag not upgrade a skill.
Do you want you gun to fire faster, to have a higher muzzle velocity: buy a new "bullet propulsion system", a mod.

Surely we would need skills to use each weapon, want to use a HMG you must be skilled/trained for that, but we should not have skills to simply access variants/tiers of the same weapon.

Share you thoughts.

the problem with this would be that it would eliminate the need to buy beter guns... who needs to spend money to get a good AR if i can just pimp out my militia AR

When I originally floated the idea of scripts for weapons I had a couple of things in the back of my mind about script slots and racial variants (when they arrive).

• Weapons made available by greater skill would have more script slots. As your skill improved what you could buy would be a weapon that was more customizable and more expensive but with the corresponding drawbacks. The fiction would be that greater experience gave you the skills to do the customization.
• Scripts would not change the damage type of the weapon so a weapon that did explosive damage would not be able to do heat damage by adding a script. Here the idea is that there are some things that are fundamental to the design of the weapon. You might be able to increase the number of charges in the magazine but the damage done by each charge would be less because the weapon's total energy would stay the same.

If the game ever expands to "Tech II" weapons it might have things like multiple damage types incorporated or even the Tech III "build a weapon from multiple subsystems" approach. The idea being that there are options mapped out in EVE that, with careful adaptation to DUST 514, could provide a road map for a long -- player centered -- future.

Could you add your thoughts on the script system to Nova's thread so ideas on how it may work can stay consolidated?

I could also say the same for the dropsuits- are the caldari the only people who use assault dropsuits?

They will be adding the rest of it after the balance is achived - there should only be look differences and no real change between the armor types.

I edited the previous posts with more ideas and better balance (IMO)...give it a look.

Noc I have already balanced scripts/parts in a way I think is classical to FPS.
Sill nothing of what I said must be considered a rule or good for everyone.
What's DPS?

Basic Expanded Ammo Script:
Requires Ammo Scripts I (requires electronics III, weaponry III)
Magazine +50%
Reload Speed +100%
Recoil +10%
Calibration: 150

Basic Breach Modification Script:
Requires Weaponsmith II (requires electronics III, weaponry III)
Magazine -40%
Damage +30%
ROF - 50%
Recoil +10%
Calibration: 200

1st we could keep the tier weapons and vehicles but the the main difference for the different tiers would be customizion example militia gear no customizion but the top tier say prototype gear would be fully customizable pros and cons

Pro being able to make ur gear what u want

Con say for weapons mod their CPU and pg requirements aquardinaly

2nd since ccp likes this to be skill based have skills for each teir of weapon or vehicles mod which would actually add a team role of say mechanic (the player that can make amazing weapons and vehicles) but the merc using it would still need a high enough lvl to use it say militia ar or advanced ar and so on pros and cons

Pro we still get our customizion
ccp gets to keep things skill based

Con more time add to getting "maxed out"

To not interrupt with weapon related skills provided in the skill tree yet provide greater customization, weapon mods should be reserved for such things as scopes, sliencer/muzzel, extended mags, better coolant (to keep from overheating as easily), different rounds (depending on the type of gun to affect usage but not actual power), and possibly even attachments. In short, actual physical modifications to the weapon. If there are mods that greatly increase handling, accuracy, fire rate, or power then that would defeat the purpose of buying different tier weapons at all. The weapon mods should only be slight tweaks to performance but also change the weapon visually. I know some think that is stupid but slight tweaks mean a lot to some. Plus, several slight tweaks together may add to a very favorable result.
To unlock weapon mods should require skills in the skill tree and sometimes (depending upon the mod) require more output from the dropsuit being used.
Allowing more diverse weapons alone would solve the want for more diverse weapons in the short term but I think it would increase market activity to have an overall set of diverse mods to customize the current list of weapons.

I like my suggestion above better than scripts. Alot of people already think the game is very complicated and this would further that. What I suggested wouldn't cause as big a change to the UI, would add weapon customizations with slight tweaks, but not be so overpowerful to make the current weapon list mute as you could drastically change a weapon to replace another using scripts.

I have a list of parts, already balanced and already with Skill requisites, ready to post.
Should I post it or it's an act of hubris towards CCP?

In short, actual physical modifications to the weapon. If there are mods that greatly increase handling, accuracy, fire rate, or power then that would defeat the purpose of buying different tier weapons at all.

I agree, especially with different weapon scopes. The current assault rifle scope is difficult to use. I like the scope from the E3 2011 Video.

Also, I would like to see where they could go if they brought in a weapon customization feature similar to the new Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon game(on a side-note, I know this is not supposed to be a normal fps-I'm just stating a comparison). Maybe where you can practically take the model from the store and rebuild it from the ground-up? As someone else said on a similar post, they could put weapon customization in as a AUR purchase. I would definitely pay for that honestly.