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Lightning35 Delta514 wrote:

Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote:

Lightning35 Delta514 wrote:

Genral69 death wrote:

So let me get this straight .
You want to increase the pg/cpu of all officer gear
May I ask why?
I'm gona assume u don't run officer gear

He prolly doesn't. IN NO WAY WILL YOU INVALIDATE MY RATTATI FITTING WHICH IS MAXED OUT ON SKILLS AND FITTING SPACE. AND I DONT HAVE SPACE LEFT.

As you can see , he meant that you must sacrifice something to use it like placing a cloak on a suit that's not a scout . That's balance , now you could do that but you wouldn't have the same freedom like you would on a scout suit ... more PG / CRU freedom and I totally agree .

I see people running OFC gear on MLT fits , there really isn't any sacrifice .

You two sound like you need crutches , well you know this game caters to the crutch worthy so I wouldn't fear and panic like the two of you sound .

Maybe this guy thought about weight and counterbalance and the fact that this game has a lot of crutch like features about it , with no penalty for most . The cloak is the only feature that has balance for the most part because there is some type of sacrifice to it but I could understand that some just don't care about balance .

Hell it's been like that for so long , most just get comfortable in the fact that they don't have to trade anything to do most thing in this game .

Leave these players alone , they need their crutches and could give a frack less about balance and sacrifice .

It's clear they need their OFC gear to be functional .

I'm not even reading the whole thing anymore. Just read to the part where you mentioned giving something up. If this happens, ALL OFFICER SUITS NEED A FITTING SPACE BUFF. this is a nerf to officer when it supposed to be op and i. disagree

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TIMMY DAVIS Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 135	Posted - 2015.09.22 07:00:00 - [1] - Quote Good Day, Maybe officer weapons should effect both teams at all times in all kinds of matches. Thanks for reading this
Summa Militum Art.of.Death Smart Deploy 823	Posted - 2015.09.22 07:03:00 - [2] - Quote TIMMY DAVIS wrote: Good Day, Maybe officer weapons should effect both teams at all times in all kinds of matches. Thanks for reading this Could you elaborate please?
dzizur Nos Nothi 1	Posted - 2015.09.22 07:12:00 - [3] - Quote TIMMY DAVIS wrote: Good Day, Maybe officer weapons should effect both teams at all times in all kinds of matches. Thanks for reading this Maybe officer weapons should be finally balanced... I mean they take the same amount of cpu/pg as proto ones. IMO you should gimp your suit a little if you want to be running officer stuff. Like, some balancing factor? :P
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 1	Posted - 2015.09.22 07:23:00 - [4] - Quote Like.... how about you can't buy a replacement for them once they are lost? O>O; I mean prototype gear isn't actually "prototype", so I don't see why this would matter? http://youtu.be/dtXupQg77SU Dust to Dust Remember the dream you had before the day you were born.
Summa Militum Art.of.Death Smart Deploy 823	Posted - 2015.09.22 07:25:00 - [5] - Quote dzizur wrote: TIMMY DAVIS wrote: Good Day, Maybe officer weapons should effect both teams at all times in all kinds of matches. Thanks for reading this Maybe officer weapons should be finally balanced... I mean they take the same amount of cpu/pg as proto ones. IMO you should gimp your suit a little if you want to be running officer stuff. Like, some balancing factor? :P I really ******* hate that I am about to agree with you on this. It makes sense though to increase the usage of CPU/PG for Officer Weapons. Currently if you want to run a Proto Weapon on an Advanced Suit or if you want to run an Advanced Weapon on a Standard Suit you are forced to make a sacrifice in order to do that; With Officer Weapons and Proto Suits you don't have to make that sacrifice.
Genral69 death RAT PATROL INC. 742	Posted - 2015.09.22 08:56:00 - [6] - Quote So let me get this straight . You want to increase the pg/cpu of all officer gear May I ask why? I'm gona assume u don't run officer gear https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=213777&find=unread
Lightning35 Delta514 The Warlords Legion No Context 1	Posted - 2015.09.22 11:12:00 - [7] - Quote Genral69 death wrote: So let me get this straight . You want to increase the pg/cpu of all officer gear May I ask why? I'm gona assume u don't run officer gear He prolly doesn't. IN NO WAY WILL YOU INVALIDATE MY RATTATI FITTING WHICH IS MAXED OUT ON SKILLS AND FITTING SPACE. AND I DONT HAVE SPACE LEFT. CEO of T-W-L YouTube- Lightning35 Delta514 Twitter- @LD3514
jordy mack WarRavens Imperium Eden 768	Posted - 2015.09.22 12:15:00 - [8] - Quote i read that he wanted them to have friendly fire always on. agimus QQ maybe? but nice hijack and derailment guys. Less QQ more PewPew
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Four Horseman Tactical Agency 2	Posted - 2015.09.22 12:59:00 - [9] - Quote Lightning35 Delta514 wrote: Genral69 death wrote: So let me get this straight . You want to increase the pg/cpu of all officer gear May I ask why? I'm gona assume u don't run officer gear He prolly doesn't. IN NO WAY WILL YOU INVALIDATE MY RATTATI FITTING WHICH IS MAXED OUT ON SKILLS AND FITTING SPACE. AND I DONT HAVE SPACE LEFT. As you can see , he meant that you must sacrifice something to use it like placing a cloak on a suit that's not a scout . That's balance , now you could do that but you wouldn't have the same freedom like you would on a scout suit ... more PG / CRU freedom and I totally agree . I see people running OFC gear on MLT fits , there really isn't any sacrifice . You two sound like you need crutches , well you know this game caters to the crutch worthy so I wouldn't fear and panic like the two of you sound . Maybe this guy thought about weight and counterbalance and the fact that this game has a lot of crutch like features about it , with no penalty for most . The cloak is the only feature that has balance for the most part because there is some type of sacrifice to it but I could understand that some just don't care about balance . Hell it's been like that for so long , most just get comfortable in the fact that they don't have to trade anything to do most thing in this game . Leave these players alone , they need their crutches and could give a frack less about balance and sacrifice . It's clear they need their OFC gear to be functional . Teamwork is really important - said the Tyrannosarus Rex from Kung Fury .
Press Attache The Office of The Attorney General 142	Posted - 2015.09.22 13:27:00 - [10] - Quote Genral69 death wrote: So let me get this straight . You want to increase the pg/cpu of all officer gear May I ask why? I'm gona assume u don't run officer gear It makes logical sense, every step up in power should have increased fitting costs. Forum representative for Mr. Hybrid Vayu: The Attorney General.
dzizur Nos Nothi 1	Posted - 2015.09.22 13:35:00 - [11] - Quote Genral69 death wrote: So let me get this straight . You want to increase the pg/cpu of all officer gear May I ask why? I'm gona assume u don't run officer gear Hmm, maybe because of the same reasons that Advanced weapons have higher fitting costs than basic, and proto ones higher ones than advanced? See the pattern? I'm gonna assume you have not leveled your assuming skills enough..
Alcina Nektaria KILL-EM-QUICK Rise Of Legion. 328	Posted - 2015.09.22 13:52:00 - [12] - Quote I don't really know about this one. I mean, it IS officer gear. Put player trading aside for just a second and consider this.... It's actually rare because of drop rate chance + your warbarge can only craft certain amounts a day and even then some of the gear is Experimental. Theoretically it is this super amazing gear. So, the weapon is optimized for performance and fitting as well as damage. The issue isn't with the weapons itself but the abundance of them due to player trading. Don't get me wrong, I love that should I want to buy officer gear, I can just go take the risk of losing all my money to do it, but I think you are complaining about the wrong thing in this scenario. Check Us Out! KEQ and ROFL. Diplomat. I lik 2 psh rd buttnz
Press Attache The Office of The Attorney General 143	Posted - 2015.09.22 14:12:00 - [13] - Quote Alcina Nektaria wrote: I don't really know about this one. I mean, it IS officer gear. Put player trading aside for just a second and consider this.... It's actually rare because of drop rate chance + your warbarge can only craft certain amounts a day and even then some of the gear is Experimental. Theoretically it is this super amazing gear. So, the weapon is optimized for performance and fitting as well as damage. The issue isn't with the weapons itself but the abundance of them due to player trading. Don't get me wrong, I love that should I want to buy officer gear, I can just go take the risk of losing all my money to do it, but I think you are complaining about the wrong thing in this scenario. If officer gear only dropped from salvage then that might be something I could agree with. Since everyone gets officer gear from their labs though, it has become far, far too common, and an adjustment is needed. Forum representative for Mr. Hybrid Vayu: The Attorney General.
Alcina Nektaria KILL-EM-QUICK Rise Of Legion. 328	Posted - 2015.09.22 14:19:00 - [14] - Quote Press Attache wrote: Alcina Nektaria wrote: I don't really know about this one. I mean, it IS officer gear. Put player trading aside for just a second and consider this.... It's actually rare because of drop rate chance + your warbarge can only craft certain amounts a day and even then some of the gear is Experimental. Theoretically it is this super amazing gear. So, the weapon is optimized for performance and fitting as well as damage. The issue isn't with the weapons itself but the abundance of them due to player trading. Don't get me wrong, I love that should I want to buy officer gear, I can just go take the risk of losing all my money to do it, but I think you are complaining about the wrong thing in this scenario. If officer gear only dropped from salvage then that might be something I could agree with. Since everyone gets officer gear from their labs though, it has become far, far too common, and an adjustment is needed. Perhaps an adjustment in dropping. This is a perfect example of a cry for a nerf where it isn't necessary. CCP gives us all the tools to troll and those who can't handle it are the ones who go crying. I sometimes feel like people are far too dense when it comes to these issues. The players wanted this, CCP gave it to us. Yet another example about how much time has been wasted and still will be wasted on issues that are FAR LESS important than the ones that have not been able to be addressed for years. Check Us Out! KEQ and ROFL. Diplomat. I lik 2 psh rd buttnz
Lightning35 Delta514 The Warlords Legion No Context 1	Posted - 2015.09.22 14:22:00 - [15] - Quote Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: Lightning35 Delta514 wrote: Genral69 death wrote: So let me get this straight . You want to increase the pg/cpu of all officer gear May I ask why? I'm gona assume u don't run officer gear He prolly doesn't. IN NO WAY WILL YOU INVALIDATE MY RATTATI FITTING WHICH IS MAXED OUT ON SKILLS AND FITTING SPACE. AND I DONT HAVE SPACE LEFT. As you can see , he meant that you must sacrifice something to use it like placing a cloak on a suit that's not a scout . That's balance , now you could do that but you wouldn't have the same freedom like you would on a scout suit ... more PG / CRU freedom and I totally agree . I see people running OFC gear on MLT fits , there really isn't any sacrifice . You two sound like you need crutches , well you know this game caters to the crutch worthy so I wouldn't fear and panic like the two of you sound . Maybe this guy thought about weight and counterbalance and the fact that this game has a lot of crutch like features about it , with no penalty for most . The cloak is the only feature that has balance for the most part because there is some type of sacrifice to it but I could understand that some just don't care about balance . Hell it's been like that for so long , most just get comfortable in the fact that they don't have to trade anything to do most thing in this game . Leave these players alone , they need their crutches and could give a frack less about balance and sacrifice . It's clear they need their OFC gear to be functional . I'm not even reading the whole thing anymore. Just read to the part where you mentioned giving something up. If this happens, ALL OFFICER SUITS NEED A FITTING SPACE BUFF. this is a nerf to officer when it supposed to be op and i. disagree CEO of T-W-L YouTube- Lightning35 Delta514 Twitter- @LD3514
Summa Militum Art.of.Death Smart Deploy 825	Posted - 2015.09.22 16:16:00 - [16] - Quote Genral69 death wrote: So let me get this straight . You want to increase the pg/cpu of all officer gear May I ask why? I'm gona assume u don't run officer gear I run Officer Gear a lot and I agree with an increase in CPU/PG usage for Officer Weapons. I might not be 100% cool with it but I am going to have to side with logic on this one.
Summa Militum Art.of.Death Smart Deploy 825	Posted - 2015.09.22 16:17:00 - [17] - Quote Lightning35 Delta514 wrote: Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: Lightning35 Delta514 wrote: Genral69 death wrote: So let me get this straight . You want to increase the pg/cpu of all officer gear May I ask why? I'm gona assume u don't run officer gear He prolly doesn't. IN NO WAY WILL YOU INVALIDATE MY RATTATI FITTING WHICH IS MAXED OUT ON SKILLS AND FITTING SPACE. AND I DONT HAVE SPACE LEFT. As you can see , he meant that you must sacrifice something to use it like placing a cloak on a suit that's not a scout . That's balance , now you could do that but you wouldn't have the same freedom like you would on a scout suit ... more PG / CRU freedom and I totally agree . I see people running OFC gear on MLT fits , there really isn't any sacrifice . You two sound like you need crutches , well you know this game caters to the crutch worthy so I wouldn't fear and panic like the two of you sound . Maybe this guy thought about weight and counterbalance and the fact that this game has a lot of crutch like features about it , with no penalty for most . The cloak is the only feature that has balance for the most part because there is some type of sacrifice to it but I could understand that some just don't care about balance . Hell it's been like that for so long , most just get comfortable in the fact that they don't have to trade anything to do most thing in this game . Leave these players alone , they need their crutches and could give a frack less about balance and sacrifice . It's clear they need their OFC gear to be functional . I'm not even reading the whole thing anymore. Just read to the part where you mentioned giving something up. If this happens, ALL OFFICER SUITS NEED A FITTING SPACE BUFF. this is a nerf to officer when it supposed to be op and i. disagree Stop being selfish and think logically.
Edgar Reinhart Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 140	Posted - 2015.09.22 16:35:00 - [18] - Quote The warbarge and trading have definitely made it far too easy to own and run officer gear.... Arguably, trading especially as it makes it much too easy to not only run officer but the exact officer gear to which you are optimised. I know it's kind of the point to be 'the best you can be' but I definitely come down on the side of the curve that says absolutely in pubs photo and officer should be a real 's#*t just got real' moment and to a point in FW too. Don't really know what the answer is as none of the seemingly more obvious answers will be popular or necessarily deal with the issues (proto more expensive, officer much harder to obtain, lower or tiered payments from pubs)
Mejt0 Made in Poland... E-R-A 2	Posted - 2015.09.22 16:42:00 - [19] - Quote Player Trading made it so you can stock 1000+ officer guns in short time. It's basically like a market item. Use 100, buy 200 more. Modern society is lacking in empathy
CommanderBolt Dead Man's Game 4	Posted - 2015.09.22 19:01:00 - [20] - Quote What I assume the OP was saying by the way is that Officer Weapons should always have friendly fire on no matter the battle. Interesting idea for sure! "Madness how we turned our common-ground into a battle-ground.." - Essa
Kalante Schiffer Ancient Exiles. 1	Posted - 2015.09.22 19:19:00 - [21] - Quote Why do people have this misconception that just because X person is using the best gear they can wreck everyone. I've used officer and to tell ya the truth it is not much different than running proto. I could face someone using officer gear sure it would help him in a 1v1 situation but on a 2v1? yeah good luck with that not with me present. Rarely anyone can 2v1 these days not even with officer gear. So yeah officer gear is not god mode as everyone thinks it is. If anything it should be buffed. Now if you are going against a bunch of morons there is nothing anyone can do. K+öL.2013.ae.SEP. Slayer of baby snakes.
Genral69 death RAT PATROL INC. 744	Posted - 2015.09.22 20:58:00 - [22] - Quote Press Attache wrote: Genral69 death wrote: So let me get this straight . You want to increase the pg/cpu of all officer gear May I ask why? I'm gona assume u don't run officer gear It makes logical sense, every step up in power should have increased fitting costs. Ok then, why are you not complaining about specialist weapons as well? Specialist weapons, 3 times the price of lp but reduced pg/cpu Officer weapons , 7-8 times the price range of the proto variant https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=213777&find=unread
Jonny D Buelle The Warlords Legion No Context 2	Posted - 2015.09.22 21:01:00 - [23] - Quote Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: Lightning35 Delta514 wrote: Genral69 death wrote: So let me get this straight . You want to increase the pg/cpu of all officer gear May I ask why? I'm gona assume u don't run officer gear He prolly doesn't. IN NO WAY WILL YOU INVALIDATE MY RATTATI FITTING WHICH IS MAXED OUT ON SKILLS AND FITTING SPACE. AND I DONT HAVE SPACE LEFT. As you can see , he meant that you must sacrifice something to use it like placing a cloak on a suit that's not a scout . That's balance , now you could do that but you wouldn't have the same freedom like you would on a scout suit ... more PG / CRU freedom and I totally agree . I see people running OFC gear on MLT fits , there really isn't any sacrifice . You two sound like you need crutches , well you know this game caters to the crutch worthy so I wouldn't fear and panic like the two of you sound . Maybe this guy thought about weight and counterbalance and the fact that this game has a lot of crutch like features about it , with no penalty for most . The cloak is the only feature that has balance for the most part because there is some type of sacrifice to it but I could understand that some just don't care about balance . Hell it's been like that for so long , most just get comfortable in the fact that they don't have to trade anything to do most thing in this game . Leave these players alone , they need their crutches and could give a frack less about balance and sacrifice . It's clear they need their OFC gear to be functional . You do realize he was talking about using officer weapons on an officer suit. Why should he have to sacrifice to use an ofc weapon on an ofc suit? Logistics Officer of T-W-L Keeper of the List Scrub Lord
Cesar Geronimo DUST University Ivy League 92	Posted - 2015.09.22 21:05:00 - [24] - Quote Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote: Like.... how about you can't buy a replacement for them once they are lost? O>O; Warbarges, daily challenges, lockboxes, player trading....
TIMMY DAVIS Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 135	Posted - 2015.09.23 00:26:00 - [25] - Quote Good Day, My original thought was about Friendly Fire and Officer Weapons. I often run Ambushes and encounter "super squads" Ones where they run proto or officer dropsuits and both (all three of their weapons) are officer gear. If you look at the killboard at the end of the match, I often find these super squads getting 500 + more WP than anybody else in the match and 20-28 people all fighting just to get to 150 WP, and frankly 16 or so not making it. Players from both sides are struggling, just by having, this group of just four players in the match. I have both experimental and officer weapons, I honestly don't run them that often, but I do have them. More AR's and Plasma Cannons others I'm not trying to make a profit off of this info, but it seems to be a favorite rebuttal on this forum - you hate what you don't have. Uh, No. I encountered at least one group that, seemingly, equipped nothing but officer sidearms in both (all three) slots and was in at least two ambushes in a row, One I was on their side and the other against. How do I know, I was killed a couple of times by sidearms and was paying attention to the roll at the top. I've encountered this before, when a player gets a new skill and "abuses" the opponents. one player and his squad had rep tools, nanohives and proto scanners, and the one player did nothing but use Core Grenades, he killed 20 + players in a 50 person ambush. Part of the problem was no one could "flank them" because of the spawn points and the scanning. he had so much support and the way grenades work , you could not mass enough fire power on him or his supporters. Of course most folks will just say, it's one battle, just move on. I don't like to stomp and I don't like getting stomped. It hurts the game. Officers weapons have no penalty, some folks will say it puts a big target on the player, because, everyone tries to kill him/her, easier said than done. The other big argument is often, well facing these challenges will only make a you a better player, uh no. It only makes you a better player, if you can figure out a way around the problem. If you can't figure out a way to beat it, you're not a better player. Officer weapons tip the balance in their favor. They do. Often in a very big way. Anyhow thanks for reading this.

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