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Daddy Flex Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 7	Posted - 2015.09.21 21:21:00 - [1] - Quote So i was playing a game against Michael Epic the other day, right? I thought that dude didn't play anymore and this was the only time recently I've gotten super pissed off but Michael kept hacking the CRU and i figured out what he does he cloaks up and sits on top of the CRU to hack it! i didnt even know u could do that but he does it also, cloaked players shouldnt be able to melee you because he killed me 10 times that game by just appearing out of nowhere killing me with a melee swing like i would be running along and have no one near me and be dead and it said michael epic (melee) daddy flex and thats bs in my opinion if you gonna kill someone you cant be invisible so we need to change the cloak and change this melee crap because i run heavy and how the hell u gonna kill a sentinel with a melee swing!?
Spartan Princess Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire 25	Posted - 2015.09.21 21:28:00 - [2] - Quote ahaha leave it to Epic to make a splash in a big way! That's why he's Michael Epic man....he does things no one else thinks of lol that's why he so legendary with remote explosives, boy can do everything with those things!
Jonny D Buelle The Warlords Legion No Context 1	Posted - 2015.09.21 21:37:00 - [3] - Quote So old epic is out of retirement. And up to his old troll tactics. Whelp, time to start running basic suits again to go isk positive! Also OP, IIRC, if he melees you he would of been decloaked, you not seeing him on your tactnet could be do to him using damps and other EWAR modules. Logistics Officer of T-W-L Keeper of the List
The Eristic Hostile Takeovers 1	Posted - 2015.09.21 21:40:00 - [4] - Quote Jonny D Buelle wrote: Also OP, IIRC, if he melees you he would of been decloaked. Meleeing will decloak you, but the actual attack can be initiated while fully cloaked. Recruiting PC mercs! Pub chat: Blatant Hostility
Spartan Princess Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire 25	Posted - 2015.09.21 21:41:00 - [5] - Quote The Eristic wrote: Jonny D Buelle wrote: Also OP, IIRC, if he melees you he would of been decloaked. Meleeing will decloak you, but the actual attack can be initiated while fully cloaked. That's absolutely right! Michael is actually the one who told me and showed me you could do that...I suck at trying to melee anyone but I've seen him do it hundreds of times.
Daddy Flex Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 7	Posted - 2015.09.21 21:45:00 - [6] - Quote Jonny D Buelle wrote: So old epic is out of retirement. And up to his old troll tactics. Whelp, time to start running basic suits again to go isk positive! Also OP, IIRC, if he melees you he would of been decloaked, you not seeing him on your tactnet could be do to him using damps and other EWAR modules. nah forget that noise! i aint scared of him...i mean i know he good and all but i aint running my basic suits against him bc imma kill his punk ass every chance i get
HOWDIDHEKILLME Dying to Reload 966	Posted - 2015.09.21 21:53:00 - [7] - Quote Daddy Flex wrote: So i was playing a game against Michael Epic the other day, right? I thought that dude didn't play anymore and this was the only time recently I've gotten super pissed off but Michael kept hacking the CRU and i figured out what he does he cloaks up and sits on top of the CRU to hack it! i didnt even know u could do that but he does it also, cloaked players shouldnt be able to melee you because he killed me 10 times that game by just appearing out of nowhere killing me with a melee swing like i would be running along and have no one near me and be dead and it said michael epic (melee) daddy flex and thats bs in my opinion if you gonna kill someone you cant be invisible so we need to change the cloak and change this melee crap because i run heavy and how the hell u gonna kill a sentinel with a melee swing!? He's hitting you twice if your a sentinel (he's doing about 600 damage each melee if he's minmatar) if he killed you in the same place the same way 10 times its your bad for being gullible. A sentinel hacking solo is dead anyway lol.
Count- -Crotchula TasteTheTamsen 1	Posted - 2015.09.21 22:19:00 - [8] - Quote i headshotted a cloaked proto scout with a laser rifle in CQC, i have the footage but its pray and spray so i dunno if i wanna show it either way scouts and cloaks mean **** to a laser rifle also, get a minmatar assault, 4 precision enhancers, 4 complex kin cats, allotek breach shotgun AND HUNT HIM DOWN YouTube!
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Four Horseman Tactical Agency 2	Posted - 2015.09.21 22:53:00 - [9] - Quote If he could melee you while cloaked then that is a problem but CCP doesn't pay enough attention to their own game to fix that . Maybe you should file a bug report . Teamwork is really important - said the Tyrannosarus Rex from Kung Fury .
One Eyed King Nos Nothi 12	Posted - 2015.09.21 23:39:00 - [10] - Quote So because one person was capable of doing it to you one game, mostly because you kept letting him, it should be nerfed more? If it were really a problem in and of itself you wouldn't be able to single someone else as a problem. This is the reason CCP uses broad statistics instead of anecdotes to balance the game. If CCP saw a bunch of people spamming cloaked scouts with tons of melee kills per spawn I agree it would be a problem. But this was one game in one specific situation. If you bothered to get a logi with you, or were a medium suit with precision mods, he never would have been able to do what he did. Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.

Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 8	Posted - 2015.09.21 23:42:00 - [11] - Quote Spartan Princess wrote: ahaha leave it to Epic to make a splash in a big way! That's why he's Michael Epic man....he does things no one else thinks of lol that's why he so legendary with remote explosives, boy can do everything with those things! You're giving him way too much credit. These things have already been done and are still going on. *Scouts United* Gk.0s & Quafes all day.
HOWDIDHEKILLME Dying to Reload 968	Posted - 2015.09.21 23:52:00 - [12] - Quote Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: If he could melee you while cloaked then that is a problem but CCP doesn't pay enough attention to their own game to fix that . Maybe you should file a bug report . You don't stay cloaked if you melee... But the first hit usually kill's the target ( lol milita fits ) saw a commando doing it go like 34-6 I was impressed
catsrule D3ATH CARD RUST415 1	Posted - 2015.09.22 00:03:00 - [13] - Quote If anything cloak should be buffed.... I swear I always get spotted so easily with Proto scout Proto cloak and complex profile damps! While sitting still!
deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP Evil Syndicate Alliance. 3	Posted - 2015.09.22 00:07:00 - [14] - Quote this made me laugh. There are bigger problems with the cloak than what you got trolled by. I routinely dump all over cloaked scouts in my Amarr scout which fairly easily picks up even cloakers with the right fit. What you are complaining about is very easily countered so I just do not see the issue. ++ Remove NPC orbitals from FW -- Fix orbital timers for Eve players assisting in Planetary Conquest ++
zDemoncake Horizons' Edge No Context 1	Posted - 2015.09.22 00:13:00 - [15] - Quote Shameless self stroking lol CEO of Horizons' Edge's mercenary division *My soul, your beats!* Enemy to many; equal to none.
Death Shadow117 Wolf Pack Special Forces Rise Of Legion. 770	Posted - 2015.09.22 01:42:00 - [16] - Quote Spartan Princess wrote: ahaha leave it to Epic to make a splash in a big way! That's why he's Michael Epic man....he does things no one else thinks of lol that's why he so legendary with remote explosives, boy can do everything with those things! fuckin epeen stroker. Things that no one thinks of? I've been doing all that stuff for awhile and even I admit its scrubby cloak/meleeing people at least when I do it I've got my flaylocks ready to shred some armor.
DustPllayer Eternal Beings 73	Posted - 2015.09.22 01:53:00 - [17] - Quote catsrule wrote: If anything cloak should be buffed.... I swear I always get spotted so easily with Proto scout Proto cloak and complex profile damps! While sitting still! Higher tier cloak doesn't hide you better... just can cloak for a longer duration from what I've seen. Dust Player has left the battle. Dust Player has left the thread.
deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP Evil Syndicate Alliance. 3	Posted - 2015.09.22 01:55:00 - [18] - Quote I guess I will take this thread as the opportunity to out something I discovered the other day. You can instantly decloak to your weapon while hacking. This includes vehicles. It is a pretty hilarious troll. ++ Remove NPC orbitals from FW -- Fix orbital timers for Eve players assisting in Planetary Conquest ++
Lightning35 Delta514 The Warlords Legion No Context 1	Posted - 2015.09.22 02:21:00 - [19] - Quote Count- -Crotchula wrote: i headshotted a cloaked proto scout with a laser rifle in CQC, i have the footage but its pray and spray so i dunno if i wanna show it either way scouts and cloaks mean **** to a laser rifle also, get a minmatar assault, 4 precision enhancers, 4 complex kin cats, allotek breach shotgun AND HUNT HIM DOWN Although best would be a scots with 2 pro or galogi with focused CEO of T-W-L
One Eyed King Nos Nothi 12	Posted - 2015.09.22 02:32:00 - [20] - Quote DustPllayer wrote: catsrule wrote: If anything cloak should be buffed.... I swear I always get spotted so easily with Proto scout Proto cloak and complex profile damps! While sitting still! Higher tier cloak doesn't hide you better... just can cloak for a longer duration from what I've seen. Adv cloaks have 5% profile reduction while cloaked, and Pro cloaks have 10% profile reduction while cloaked. Visually they are not any different other than duration, but they do hide you better on tacnet. Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.

Press Attache The Office of The Attorney General 137	Posted - 2015.09.22 02:49:00 - [21] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: DustPllayer wrote: catsrule wrote: If anything cloak should be buffed.... I swear I always get spotted so easily with Proto scout Proto cloak and complex profile damps! While sitting still! Higher tier cloak doesn't hide you better... just can cloak for a longer duration from what I've seen. Adv cloaks have 5% profile reduction while cloaked, and Pro cloaks have 10% profile reduction while cloaked. Visually they are not any different other than duration, but they do hide you better on tacnet. TIL Forum representative for Mr. Hybrid Vayu: The Attorney General.
ROMULUS H3X research lab 716	Posted - 2015.09.22 06:16:00 - [22] - Quote Daddy Flex wrote: So i was playing a game against Michael Epic the other day, right? I thought that dude didn't play anymore and this was the only time recently I've gotten super pissed off but Michael kept hacking the CRU and i figured out what he does he cloaks up and sits on top of the CRU to hack it! i didnt even know u could do that but he does it also, cloaked players shouldnt be able to melee you because he killed me 10 times that game by just appearing out of nowhere killing me with a melee swing like i would be running along and have no one near me and be dead and it said michael epic (melee) daddy flex and thats bs in my opinion if you gonna kill someone you cant be invisible so we need to change the cloak and change this melee crap because i run heavy and how the hell u gonna kill a sentinel with a melee swing!? Sooo... your name is Daddy Flex... and you don't go around knocking people out? Well you should! FORGE/FLAYLOCK/FISTS PLASMA/PISTOL/PUNCH ALL OF YOU PUNKS GET HUMILIATED AFTER LUNCH!
TooMany Names AlreadyTaken Going for the gold 1	Posted - 2015.09.22 07:51:00 - [23] - Quote I've got an alt who's skilled strictly into cloaked melee fighting, it's hard to melee people and you just must not miss the first hit since it decloaks you and leaves you vulnerable. Also you have to stack armor plates and a kin cat just to keep up, you have very low hp and getting spotted means instant death. Cloaked melee is a legit tactic that in my opinion is balanced, and if CCP change it thanks to the OP, ban him. -.- My sweet summer is gone.
el OPERATOR Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2015.09.22 07:57:00 - [24] - Quote Sooo... there's someone who hasn't seen hackers on top of objectives or been assassinated by scouts? Huh, I guess DUST did get a new player. ****, somebody vacuum in here! Open-Beta Vet. CAPCRO Nomad. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR
Count- -Crotchula TasteTheTamsen 1	Posted - 2015.09.22 09:31:00 - [25] - Quote Lightning35 Delta514 wrote: Count- -Crotchula wrote: i headshotted a cloaked proto scout with a laser rifle in CQC, i have the footage but its pray and spray so i dunno if i wanna show it either way scouts and cloaks mean **** to a laser rifle also, get a minmatar assault, 4 precision enhancers, 4 complex kin cats, allotek breach shotgun AND HUNT HIM DOWN Although best would be a scots with 2 pro or galogi with focused oh yeh, a scanner for sure, I forgot that one. to be honest i am a bit of a nub, I use dropsuits based on their slots not based on their bonuses. I do however have gal scout and shotgun and cores etc, maxed out from a 25m SP respec. I may have stuff to do still but as far as one weapon and one suit goes it's maxed out! i use allotek, gk0 4 complex kin cats 2 precision or 2 complex damage mods, but not a scanner man i need to get a scanner YouTube!
Lahut K'mar Ametat Security Amarr Empire 102	Posted - 2015.09.22 12:46:00 - [26] - Quote "Don't pray for nerfs. Pray to git gud." -John F Kennedy "If you want a vision of Dust 514, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever." -George Orwell
CELESTA AUNGM Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 649	Posted - 2015.09.22 13:25:00 - [27] - Quote Scotty must have beamed me into a nicer side of town. Because I don't know who a "Michael Epic" is, and don't think I ever met him. And don't care, LOL. If all he does is dash around in his birthday suit (which is how far you need to strip your dropsuit down, if you want to be cloaked through 80% of the match), and bash folks over the head or shotgun them when they are reversing the 20 second Null hack that he achieves (....which come to think of it is the ONLY excuse he can come up with to contribute to his team's hopes of winning the match)... then he a mosquito I stopped being annoyed about long ago. Many of us who were skeptical about "the Romulan Cloak device" in our games, predicted there ARE going to be those matches where our team has won in the first 2 minutes, but then we have to spend the last 8 minutes dashing all over the map shutting off the panel that "Mikey the Cloakboy" turned on again,... and again on the north panel,... and again on the 3rd floor panel,... and there he goes again on the north panel again. "Celesta, you drive the squad over there this time---I'm tired of driving over there" ...Someone tell Mikey he's a nice kid, but, here--here's some ISK, take it and go use your proto-cloak in the Dust University girl's dorm or something. Please? Choak-shottie (Cloak-melee, Cloak-with-pitbull-dogbite) very seldom win the game for anybody....Lol. So I have a new idea for the next Hotfix: New equipment called "Can-a-Raid". You approach the Null, and spray a perimeter cloud of Raid around the Null until you start coughing. If you hear a second sound of coughing, unload your firearm on the second coughing sound you hear. Universe of good wishes for the 49, especially CCP Eterne... No story can have life without writers and publishers.
Varoth Drac Dead Man's Game 1	Posted - 2015.09.22 14:32:00 - [28] - Quote CELESTA AUNGM wrote: So I have a new idea for the next Hotfix: New equipment called "Can-a-Raid". You approach the Null, and spray a perimeter cloud of Raid around the Null until you start coughing. If you hear a second sound of coughing, unload your firearm on the second coughing sound you hear. Your whole post is glorious. This bit may be best anti-cloaked scout technique I've heard since shooting them with "yes". An alternative to raid would be a focussed scanner. Works in a similar way, though I don't think it needs it's 100m range. Nerf to 50 pls.
Daemonn Adima Y.A.M.A.H No Context 79	Posted - 2015.09.22 14:45:00 - [29] - Quote I have a blacklist for players who use abusive tactics. This, is not one. Creative cloaking can be countered in many ways and I feel is just fine as is. I get melee'd outta stealth every now and again, but I have to give em props for sneaking up on me. It's very rare I don't notice them. Plus most cloakers have no hp and melt when shot at.
el OPERATOR Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2015.09.22 15:53:00 - [30] - Quote You guys not appreciating the effort and effect of scouts, cloaks and scouts with cloaks really just have no appreciation. Can't be bothered to go back and re-hack that console you already hacked but didn't leave a worthwhile defense around? Stay in Ambush or Dom. Although in either of those you'll probably have the same results. Open-Beta Vet. CAPCRO Nomad. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR

Count- -Crotchula TasteTheTamsen 1	Posted - 2015.09.22 16:32:00 - [31] - Quote Straight Outta The Cloak Field YouTube!
CELESTA AUNGM Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 651	Posted - 2015.09.22 21:55:00 - [32] - Quote el OPERATOR wrote: You guys not appreciating the effort and effect of scouts, cloaks and scouts with cloaks really just have no appreciation. Can't be bothered to go back and re-hack that console you already hacked but didn't leave a worthwhile defense around? Stay in Ambush or Dom. Although in either of those you'll probably have the same results. Nooo, el Operator. Don't misunderstand. I DO appreciate and respect Scout players. They roam the map practically undetected, thanks to skill, SP-grinding, incredible situation awareness, and remarkable self-control. They assess a nearby enemy player, and 95% of the time decide NOT to attack her! What's the point of murdering her? He can slip in, do anything he wants around the objective, slip out leaving the red player looking around clueless and feeling like a mutt. (an expert Scout wins more matches and racks up more WP by NOT killing those players.... if he gets detected and has to start shooting, from his point of view it means he got careless ). But the Scout Players mastered their trade in this game long before "cloaks" were added. I am sure some Scouts do carry a cloak on them, but I doubt it's for general assassination and "tag, you're it" with Null panels. Mercs knfing and shotgunning around while "inviso" aren't in the same class as those players among us who MIC about enemy locations, set up roadblocks, tripwire bridges, and save their teams from being redlined by opening a CRU or Uplink 300 meters on the other side of the map, all while sneaking undetected. Not in the same class at all. But cloakboys want to THINK they are in the same universe as true Scout Players. Universe of good wishes for the 49, especially CCP Eterne... No story can have life without writers and publishers.
Dreis ShadowWeaver Abstract Requiem 7	Posted - 2015.09.22 22:22:00 - [33] - Quote OP is Michael's alt. Creator of the Nova Knifers United channel Dreis' Minja Blog CEO of Abstract Requiem


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