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Daemonn Adima wrote:

Press Attache wrote:

Daemonn Adima wrote:

Press Attache wrote:

Daemonn Adima wrote:

Tldr.

Shut up and fite me

This is why you can't shake your losing attitude. I try and be clear, and give you some understanding from a game designer and you can't even fashion a decent response.

If you had read the article you could have made some compelling arguments about gameplay in dust , such as perhaps the game actually is degenerate, but you would rather act like a spoiled child.

Responses like yours are why I aggressively shoot down scrub talk, because you don't want enlightenment, you just want your ego stroked, which is a job I leave up to your mother. Now run up stairs and tell her someone is being mean to you online, maybe she will give you a cookie, a glass of milk and tuck you in tonight.

You're right. Spawn camping is pro. Keep typing long drawn out paragraphs that do nothing but illustrate you are literally insane. Good luck with that. I don't care for rhetoric, I care about action.

Lol you probably get rocked all day if you're not in a tank. An equal gear 1v1 can easily be arranged. I'll beat you 10 times outta 10. Now let's arrange it so you can eat your words.

Yet another example of your broken mindset.

You can only succeed under artificial circumstances. In actual gameplay you get trounced.

Half of any fight is making your opponent fight on your terms.

"If you find yourself in a fair fight, the other guy made a mistake."

If you want to fight me, I'll be playing FW, feel free to come at me. No excuses, no rules.

You can't talk all that crap and then demand an honourable duel.

Not that you would understand real world conduct, I'm sure you whine about how its not fair that "jerks" get the hot girls etc.

I feel bad for you now. If you have wouldn't have tried so hard to insult me I might even be moved to pity.

Sounds like you're scared. You know you'll lose. Come at me bro.


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Press Attache The Office of The Attorney General 104	Posted - 2015.09.20 18:23:00 - [1] - Quote Death Shadow117 wrote: Inb4 git gud scrubs come in and ridicule you for bringing up valid pionts They are not valid points though. If you won't fight for the high ground, you deserve to lose. Everyone has access to a militia DS, so you can at least make attempts to dislodge them. Also, stop playing Dom, its such a horrid game mode. Forum representative for Mr. Hybrid Vayu: The Attorney General.
Press Attache The Office of The Attorney General 104	Posted - 2015.09.20 18:51:00 - [2] - Quote Daemonn Adima wrote: Press Attache wrote: Death Shadow117 wrote: Inb4 git gud scrubs come in and ridicule you for bringing up valid pionts They are not valid points though. If you won't fight for the high ground, you deserve to lose. Everyone has access to a militia DS, so you can at least make attempts to dislodge them. Also, stop playing Dom, its such a horrid game mode. So rushing to the other teams redline in ads, camping closet roof to spawn that has no ladder access and never capping the respawn so as to farm it is what you call playing smart? Stfu. We all know they're abusive tactics that are hard for pubs to counter because of superior gear, knowledge of exploitative kits and map locations and then groups of 4 doing it together. If you think they are all just playing smart and pubs need to git gud, you've let us all know you're delusional. Absolutely it is smart. It is playing to win, which is more than you do. Saying we all know is a cop out and an appeal to population, don't bring your fallacies with you. They are not exploits, and you shouldn't use terms you don't understand. If people continually spawn on a camped CRU THEY DESERVE TO GET FARMED FOR BEING STUPID. If you won't take a dropship up and push them off, you deserve your loss, and any death you take running around on the ground while they farm you. Why do you think people who are winning should hold back? Do you stop in the middle of a gunfigt to let your opponent have a chance to reload so that he doesn't feel bad? Forum representative for Mr. Hybrid Vayu: The Attorney General.
Press Attache The Office of The Attorney General 104	Posted - 2015.09.20 19:18:00 - [3] - Quote Daemonn Adima wrote: Lol. Because every pub will have someone with ads, right. And noob to the game will spawn at the CRU and I'm sure understand after a few deaths it's being camped. Spawn at mcc drop down and then die because redline isn't that far in some maps. You're straight delusional if you think this is playing to win and is in any way a healthy function of an fps shooter. Just because you can doesn't mean you should, I think we've all learned that about things in life. Every single player has access to a drop ship. It's only militia, but EVERYONE can put enough militia tank on it to get to a roof. There is literally no excuse for not trying to clear the roof. So now they are not just camping the cru, they also have snipers up high watching the spawn? You call me delusional, but you make it seem like 4 people on a roof are covering the whole map, which is pretty unlikely. And once again, controlling the high ground is playing to win, because it denies the enemy space, controls lanes, and provides good visuals, all keys to winning. This is a game, not real life. People will use whatever tools are available to win, and as long as you keep restricting how you play because of your wrong opinions on how the game should be played instead of how it is, you will never get better, and always be slower. Forum representative for Mr. Hybrid Vayu: The Attorney General.
Press Attache The Office of The Attorney General 104	Posted - 2015.09.20 19:38:00 - [4] - Quote Daemonn Adima wrote: Press Attache wrote: Daemonn Adima wrote: Lol. Because every pub will have someone with ads, right. And noob to the game will spawn at the CRU and I'm sure understand after a few deaths it's being camped. Spawn at mcc drop down and then die because redline isn't that far in some maps. You're straight delusional if you think this is playing to win and is in any way a healthy function of an fps shooter. Just because you can doesn't mean you should, I think we've all learned that about things in life. Every single player has access to a drop ship. It's only militia, but EVERYONE can put enough militia tank on it to get to a roof. There is literally no excuse for not trying to clear the roof. So now they are not just camping the cru, they also have snipers up high watching the spawn? You call me delusional, but you make it seem like 4 people on a roof are covering the whole map, which is pretty unlikely. And once again, controlling the high ground is playing to win, because it denies the enemy space, controls lanes, and provides good visuals, all keys to winning. This is a game, not real life. People will use whatever tools are available to win, and as long as you keep restricting how you play because of your wrong opinions on how the game should be played instead of how it is, you will never get better, and always be slower. If you were defending anything other than spawn camping and cheap tactics your points would be valid. I've already added you and invited you to squad. Watch me carry games and help noobs, all without spawn camping and playing cheap. Guess what, I have way more fun this way. I'll play how I want thanks, but I'm still gonna note who chooses to be a tool. Choice is a funny thing isn't it? I'm not defending anything, only pointing out that your mindset cripples you. If you really carried games you wouldn't have made your list thread. There is no such thing as playing cheap. There is winning and there is losing, there is trying, and just messing around. But as soon as you say something is cheap you out yourself as a scrub. Forum representative for Mr. Hybrid Vayu: The Attorney General.
Press Attache The Office of The Attorney General 104	Posted - 2015.09.20 19:49:00 - [5] - Quote I don't play with scrubs, I play with winners. Forum representative for Mr. Hybrid Vayu: The Attorney General.
Press Attache The Office of The Attorney General 104	Posted - 2015.09.20 20:14:00 - [6] - Quote Daemonn Adima wrote: Press Attache wrote: I don't play with scrubs, I play with winners. Claims to be better than everyone. Too scared to prove it. You're a real class act. Where did I claim to be better than anyone? What do I have to prove when this discussion is about your state of mind? I wouldn't waste my time playing with someone who has a misplaced idea about how to play the game. I also suspect you probably get ragey on comms, and I prefer calmness while winning. Forum representative for Mr. Hybrid Vayu: The Attorney General.
Press Attache The Office of The Attorney General 104	Posted - 2015.09.20 20:19:00 - [7] - Quote Jonny D Buelle wrote: Press Attache wrote: I don't play with scrubs, I play with winners. Im sorry, what? Arn't you that guy that refuses to play any match in which he cannot use his tank because of buildings and sh.t? The same guy that will leave a match because of no way for you to tank? I'm sorry but that's a true scrub. No, I'm the guy who said it was a reason to quit, not that I quit. I don't leave battles, but I can certainly understand why people do, and I don't judge them for it. Forum representative for Mr. Hybrid Vayu: The Attorney General.
Press Attache The Office of The Attorney General 104	Posted - 2015.09.20 21:00:00 - [8] - Quote Jonny D Buelle wrote: Press Attache wrote: Daemonn Adima wrote: Press Attache wrote: I don't play with scrubs, I play with winners. Claims to be better than everyone. Too scared to prove it. You're a real class act. Where did I claim to be better than anyone? Your honor I would like to submit this evidence to the court. It is shown that the player known as Press Attache proves he is a scrub and claims he is better than others. Different scenario, that person claimed I had a shoddy k/d, facts needed to be aired. Unless you think people who try and malign you should just get a pass, in which case I laugh in your general direction. Also, you and I might be using a different definition of scrub, so take your aggression to someone else, because I play the game straight up, without silly house rules, hence not a scrub. And even if you define scrub as simply a bad player( an incorrect definition imo) you would be wrong on that count as well. I'm competent on the ground, horrid in the air, and above average as a tanker. Forum representative for Mr. Hybrid Vayu: The Attorney General.
Press Attache The Office of The Attorney General 104	Posted - 2015.09.20 21:00:00 - [9] - Quote Summa Militum wrote: You should start sniping the people who camp on top of roofs. If you kill enough of them they will stop spawning there. Pretty sure using a sniper rifle is against the "rules". Forum representative for Mr. Hybrid Vayu: The Attorney General.
Press Attache The Office of The Attorney General 104	Posted - 2015.09.20 21:36:00 - [10] - Quote Jonny D Buelle wrote: I define a scrub as someone who lies, QQs and is generally a bad player. You have claimed that you only tank, and this is the first time you claim to be competent on the ground. And now you are being "humble" about your tanking skills. Also you have already claimed that you leave matches because you cant tank which in itself proves you are a scrub. Please provide a quote where I say I quit matches, rather than a post where I ask a question that you then inferred to mean that I quit matches. I have claimed many more times to be competent on the ground, although I don't play on the ground in dust because the ground game in dust is shockingly awful. I like your accusatory tone, why you so mad about a conversation on the internet over a video game? It's pretty funny that I don't even meet the definition you made up for scrub, you should work on your wordplay. Forum representative for Mr. Hybrid Vayu: The Attorney General.

Press Attache The Office of The Attorney General 104	Posted - 2015.09.20 21:50:00 - [11] - Quote Jonny D Buelle wrote: Press Attache wrote: Jonny D Buelle wrote: I define a scrub as someone who lies, QQs and is generally a bad player. You have claimed that you only tank, and this is the first time you claim to be competent on the ground. And now you are being "humble" about your tanking skills. Also you have already claimed that you leave matches because you cant tank which in itself proves you are a scrub. Please provide a quote where I say I quit matches, rather than a post where I ask a question that you then inferred to mean that I quit matches. I have claimed many more times to be competent on the ground, although I don't play on the ground in dust because the ground game in dust is shockingly awful. I like your accusatory tone, why you so mad about a conversation on the internet over a video game? It's pretty funny that I don't even meet the definition you made up for scrub, you should work on your wordplay. That moment when I am not even mad. Go troll elsewhere scrub. So that's a no on the quote then? Anyone want to take bets on him retracting his claims? Calling people a name when your own mistaken definition doesn't apply makes you like like a reasonable, mature fellow. And clearly, you are at least disgruntled, because you resort to calling me a troll when I want you to defend your post. I stand by my words, and can defend my statements, you should try being a man about yours sometime. Forum representative for Mr. Hybrid Vayu: The Attorney General.
Press Attache The Office of The Attorney General 104	Posted - 2015.09.20 23:51:00 - [12] - Quote Daemonn Adima wrote: Press Attache wrote: Daemonn Adima wrote: Press Attache wrote: I don't play with scrubs, I play with winners. Claims to be better than everyone. Too scared to prove it. You're a real class act. Where did I claim to be better than anyone? What do I have to prove when this discussion is about your state of mind? I wouldn't waste my time playing with someone who has a misplaced idea about how to play the game. I also suspect you probably get ragey on comms, and I prefer calmness while winning. Lol won't play because you have assumptions. Sounds like a cop out. Cmon you *** *, whatcha scared of? You sure like to spam threads that have nothing to do with you, but won't actually back anything up. You're a joke dude. Your own posts reveal how big of a * you are. You think your opinion on "winning" and playing "smart" somehow trumps everyone else's opinion on the state of the game. That is grade A narcissistic delusion. But please keep hiding behind your computer screen while I keep inviting you to prove anything that you've said, till then, you don't mean **. And lol hacking points and dropping links is how I want to play, but apparently according to you, unless I'm spawn camping or jump MD proto spam - I'm doing it wrong. Coming from the guy who sits in tanks. You're a trip dude Please stop using words you don't understand. With that said, read this http://www.sirlin.net/articles/playing-to-win it will give you a better understanding of what we are really talking about, and also how I define and use the word scrub. I'm not telling you how to play, but I am telling you that your mindset is flawed, as far as the manner in which you frame your comments about gameplay. You want to snipe from the redline or go balls deep into the enemy, do what you feel. However, as soon as you deride a valid playstyle as cheap, or abusive, you mark yourself out as someone who does not want to elevate their gameplay, as someone who is, to use the term, a scrub. I'll be on dust at 10 eastern, but I still don't see what you are going to try to prove to me. That you aren't a scrub? Your comments already prove that. I know I don't have to prove anything to you, because quite frankly you don't seem capable of understanding what I am saying, because this isn't about ability, its about your mindset and approach to the game, not if you can or can not play. That this fact still eludes you after all these posts suggests that no amount of discussion will change that. Forum representative for Mr. Hybrid Vayu: The Attorney General.
Press Attache The Office of The Attorney General 104	Posted - 2015.09.21 00:46:00 - [13] - Quote Daemonn Adima wrote: Tldr. Shut up and fite me This is why you can't shake your losing attitude. I try and be clear, and give you some understanding from a game designer and you can't even fashion a decent response. If you had read the article you could have made some compelling arguments about gameplay in dust , such as perhaps the game actually is degenerate, but you would rather act like a spoiled child. Responses like yours are why I aggressively shoot down scrub talk, because you don't want enlightenment, you just want your ego stroked, which is a job I leave up to your mother. Now run up stairs and tell her someone is being mean to you online, maybe she will give you a cookie, a glass of milk and tuck you in tonight. Forum representative for Mr. Hybrid Vayu: The Attorney General.
Press Attache The Office of The Attorney General 129	Posted - 2015.09.21 00:56:00 - [14] - Quote Murder Medic wrote: DUST ha salways been a game where lesser skilled FPS players gather in order to excell. This is nothing new and is why the same tired "tactics" have remained prominent for multiple years. CCP abandonong DUST just cements these behaviors. I don't agree, there has been some evolution of the game. In closed beta it was the LR and whoever had more SP into light Weapon Sharpshooter. Then we had the flaylock craze, the rooftop forge period, then tanks were OP, then it was combat rifles and then scramblers. What about slayer logos and scoutfest as well. Sure, scrubs always whined about explosive spam, but in competitive play it was easily worked around. Forum representative for Mr. Hybrid Vayu: The Attorney General.
Press Attache The Office of The Attorney General 129	Posted - 2015.09.21 01:09:00 - [15] - Quote Daemonn Adima wrote: Press Attache wrote: Daemonn Adima wrote: Tldr. Shut up and fite me This is why you can't shake your losing attitude. I try and be clear, and give you some understanding from a game designer and you can't even fashion a decent response. If you had read the article you could have made some compelling arguments about gameplay in dust , such as perhaps the game actually is degenerate, but you would rather act like a spoiled child. Responses like yours are why I aggressively shoot down scrub talk, because you don't want enlightenment, you just want your ego stroked, which is a job I leave up to your mother. Now run up stairs and tell her someone is being mean to you online, maybe she will give you a cookie, a glass of milk and tuck you in tonight. You're right. Spawn camping is pro. Keep typing long drawn out paragraphs that do nothing but illustrate you are literally insane. Good luck with that. I don't care for rhetoric, I care about action. Lol you probably get rocked all day if you're not in a tank. An equal gear 1v1 can easily be arranged. I'll beat you 10 times outta 10. Now let's arrange it so you can eat your words. Yet another example of your broken mindset. You can only succeed under artificial circumstances. In actual gameplay you get trounced. Half of any fight is making your opponent fight on your terms. "If you find yourself in a fair fight, the other guy made a mistake." If you want to fight me, I'll be playing FW, feel free to come at me. No excuses, no rules. You can't talk all that crap and then demand an honourable duel. Not that you would understand real world conduct, I'm sure you whine about how its not fair that "jerks" get the hot girls etc. I feel bad for you now. If you have wouldn't have tried so hard to insult me I might even be moved to pity. Forum representative for Mr. Hybrid Vayu: The Attorney General.
Press Attache The Office of The Attorney General 129	Posted - 2015.09.21 01:32:00 - [16] - Quote Daemonn Adima wrote: Press Attache wrote: Daemonn Adima wrote: Press Attache wrote: Daemonn Adima wrote: Tldr. Shut up and fite me This is why you can't shake your losing attitude. I try and be clear, and give you some understanding from a game designer and you can't even fashion a decent response. If you had read the article you could have made some compelling arguments about gameplay in dust , such as perhaps the game actually is degenerate, but you would rather act like a spoiled child. Responses like yours are why I aggressively shoot down scrub talk, because you don't want enlightenment, you just want your ego stroked, which is a job I leave up to your mother. Now run up stairs and tell her someone is being mean to you online, maybe she will give you a cookie, a glass of milk and tuck you in tonight. You're right. Spawn camping is pro. Keep typing long drawn out paragraphs that do nothing but illustrate you are literally insane. Good luck with that. I don't care for rhetoric, I care about action. Lol you probably get rocked all day if you're not in a tank. An equal gear 1v1 can easily be arranged. I'll beat you 10 times outta 10. Now let's arrange it so you can eat your words. Yet another example of your broken mindset. You can only succeed under artificial circumstances. In actual gameplay you get trounced. Half of any fight is making your opponent fight on your terms. "If you find yourself in a fair fight, the other guy made a mistake." If you want to fight me, I'll be playing FW, feel free to come at me. No excuses, no rules. You can't talk all that crap and then demand an honourable duel. Not that you would understand real world conduct, I'm sure you whine about how its not fair that "jerks" get the hot girls etc. I feel bad for you now. If you have wouldn't have tried so hard to insult me I might even be moved to pity. Sounds like you're scared. You know you'll lose. Come at me bro. Hope you have good AV then. I'll be playing factionals tonight. You just have to q minmatar and you will have all you can eat missiles. Let's not kid ourselves, you'll get redlined and blame all the "cheap" stuff. Forum representative for Mr. Hybrid Vayu: The Attorney General.
Press Attache The Office of The Attorney General 129	Posted - 2015.09.21 01:40:00 - [17] - Quote Daemonn Adima wrote: And you're backing down from a challenge. I'll q tonight. But I'll be capping your points and ensuring your loss. Lol, OK believe that when I see it. Forum representative for Mr. Hybrid Vayu: The Attorney General.
Press Attache The Office of The Attorney General 129	Posted - 2015.09.21 13:18:00 - [18] - Quote jane stalin wrote: Press Attache wrote: With that said, read this http://www.sirlin.net/articles/playing-to-win it will give you a better understanding of what we are really talking about, and also how I define and use the word scrub. So it is reasonable to compare all modes of dust to a street fighter tournament? It applies to every game. The author is most experienced with Street Fighter, but the philosophy behind it doesn't change. You don't always have to play to win, and there are times where exploring sub-optimal strategies is beneficial, but when you decide it is winning time, you don't take concern with how your enemy is going to feel. The whole book is available on that site, and should be mandatory reading for anyone who wants to be the best they can be at games. Not everyone is going to play to win, of course, and not everyone has to, but understanding that those who play to win don't care about how it feels to get stepped on, and shouldn't because it inhibits getting better is important to the discussion at hand. Pretty much any player in a corp in PC should be playing to win most of the time, which is why games turn out how they do. Now, look at some of the posts by the "scrubs" in this thread, and they literally cover every excuse listed in the chapter on losers/scrubs. These attitudes are not unique to dust, nor are the complaints. That you can find word for word copies of the complaints about a 20 years old fighting game should make it clear that this really isn't about a single mechanic, but rather the mindset of the people losing to it. Forum representative for Mr. Hybrid Vayu: The Attorney General.
Press Attache The Office of The Attorney General 129	Posted - 2015.09.21 14:31:00 - [19] - Quote jane stalin wrote: Press Attache wrote: With that said, read this http://www.sirlin.net/articles/playing-to-win it will give you a better understanding of what we are really talking about, and also how I define and use the word scrub. So it is reasonable to compare all modes of dust to a street fighter tournament? I wanted to add that I am very clearly not saying dust is perfect, nor am I saying that mechanic x doesn't need work, however the OP and other scrubs don't come to the forums looking for advice, they come to impose their vision of the game rules on others rather than improve, or admit that they are not as good as they think they are. Being able to know the difference between a bad mechanic(by which I mean genuinely unbalanced, or having a completely distorted skill/power ratio) and poor or incorrect counter play is critical to getting better, and also to giving meaningful feedback. With online games that get patched, bad mechanics can be identified and changed, but that can never happen without "tryhards" pushing the limit and forcing people to counter their play. When the response is just qq instead of a reasoned approach, no progress can be made to make the game more enjoyable and able to support high level play. As an example, last night I was in a squad with some people and the jumpy suits got brought up because someone got killed by them. Immediately the conversation progressed into mechanic changes that would change the scenario for the better, rather than simply labelling that opponent a scrub and dropping it. Stamina changes, disabling turns in the air, adding an accuracy debuff after a jump where all discussed. That is competitive players who dislike a mechanic talking about it without resorting to scrub excuses. I know that dust has mechanics problems, and I am not saying that parts of the game might not be in need of overhauls, but people who say things like "that's cheap" or that a tactic "takes no skill" have the completely wrong mindset about competitive games. Forum representative for Mr. Hybrid Vayu: The Attorney General.
Press Attache The Office of The Attorney General 129	Posted - 2015.09.21 15:14:00 - [20] - Quote As a final point for the people who haven't been around dust for as long as some others, let me relate the story of PC and the god mode flaylock. When it was first released, the flaylock was absurdly powerful. When used by skilled players it so vastly outclassed anything else, that there was literally no point in not having one equipped, and players in PC immediately recognized how it broke the gameplay, especially in PC. The end result was that the teams in PC voluntarily banned it in PC's because of how detrimental it was to gameplay until it got nerfed. It wasn't that it was cheap, or took no skill, but that it was so vastly overpowered that by using it, you forced the other team to respond in kind and the match would always devolve into core flaylocks everywhere, which made the game dull and boring. It was tested, people with lots of gun game tried to find counters and couldn't. It didn't happen right away, but after a couple of weeks it became clear that it was so optimal that if you wanted to win you had to have at least one flaylock, and even abandoning your primary to run two flaylocks was a thing, because of the sheer power of the flaylock at the time. That was broken, and it got changed once the devs saw that it was creating degenerate gameplay. But it wasn't changed because of scrubs in the forums crying cheap, it was changed because players could demonstrate that without running flaylocks it was an assured loss. Data from PC matches backed it up, and usage in pubs was out of control. So there have been broken things in dust, but camping a rooftop or cru has never been one of them. Forum representative for Mr. Hybrid Vayu: The Attorney General.

Press Attache The Office of The Attorney General 129	Posted - 2015.09.21 17:30:00 - [21] - Quote On snap I forgot about that min bonus, that was what made it so stupid! Thanks for reminding me. Also, nice links. Forum representative for Mr. Hybrid Vayu: The Attorney General.