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Vesta Opalus wrote:

Shadowed Cola wrote:

I find the RR more fearsome then the ScR - but I'm an Amarr Heavy. To be expected, because that's how the meta works.

But, admittedly, the ScR does a bit too much against armor. I don't think the resistance penalty is working properly.

The SCR actually does more dps to armor than the RR does (with 2 dmg mods and prof 5 for each: RR @571.05/ARR @603.08 vs. SCR @746.67. These numbers actually hugely favor the rail rifles since SCR profile vs. armor does nothing and 2 damage mods on a rail rifle if we're talking about shield tanked suits being the user is very unlikely, since damage mods replace primary tank, and yet the SCR is still way ahead even though its range effectiveness is very similar and its shield effectiveness is WAY better, numbers generated via PROTOFITS.com), though at least on an Amarr Heavy you have a decent chance to see an overheat before you die (though if they are accurate or use any kind of hit and run tactics to avoid overheat you are still royally ******).

SCR totally balanced though, no need to nerf.

Ill stop posting about the SCR though, since this thread is about regen delays.


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Shadowed Cola Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 1	Posted - 2015.09.18 18:18:00 - [1] - Quote Remember, this is a tactical shooter. This thread purpose isn't to find a safe spot for shield users to enjoy themselves, but to strike a clearer balance between armor vs shield. Some weapons will still make your Caldari Heavy feel like fodder - while others will make you feel like superman running through barrages. Now, I'm completely against standardizing EHP values between the two by equaling there values and differentiating them with speed. The speed meta is why the shield users can get away with stack resistance and have less over-all HP instead of EHP. Resistance stacks very well for shields if you keep piling it on, but it also works the opposite, and that's where the balance exists. So, the question is - do we enable a shield style of play that is similar to Armor that allows a person to stack shield and not rely on mobility? Because I honestly don't see a huge issue with the current shield meta and how it works. Shield users currently have many advantages that's quite overwhelming when specialized. It's a strange question to ask consdiering how shields behave - but that seems to be the issue a lot of people are having, favoring meta they don't understand.
Shadowed Cola Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 1	Posted - 2015.09.18 18:28:00 - [2] - Quote Vesta Opalus wrote: Shadowed Cola wrote: Some weapons will still make your Caldari Heavy feel like fodder If we're talking about the scrambler rifle that weapon just needs a nerf or serious rework. As long as we get to pretend that tactical weapons arent overpowered and there are simultaneously no anti armor tactical weapons, shields are going to be disproportionately ****** by them. It's always a mistake to not put a RoF limit on single shooters with high base damage.
Shadowed Cola Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 1	Posted - 2015.09.18 18:34:00 - [3] - Quote I find the RR more fearsome then the ScR - but I'm an Amarr Heavy. To be expected, because that's how the meta works. But, admittedly, the ScR does a bit too much against armor. I don't think the resistance penalty is working properly.
Shadowed Cola Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 1	Posted - 2015.09.18 19:02:00 - [4] - Quote Vesta Opalus wrote: Shadowed Cola wrote: I find the RR more fearsome then the ScR - but I'm an Amarr Heavy. To be expected, because that's how the meta works. But, admittedly, the ScR does a bit too much against armor. I don't think the resistance penalty is working properly. The SCR actually does more dps to armor than the RR does (with 2 dmg mods and prof 5 for each: RR @571.05/ARR @603.08 vs. SCR @746.67. These numbers actually hugely favor the rail rifles since SCR profile vs. armor does nothing and 2 damage mods on a rail rifle if we're talking about shield tanked suits being the user is very unlikely, since damage mods replace primary tank, and yet the SCR is still way ahead even though its range effectiveness is very similar and its shield effectiveness is WAY better, numbers generated via PROTOFITS.com), though at least on an Amarr Heavy you have a decent chance to see an overheat before you die (though if they are accurate or use any kind of hit and run tactics to avoid overheat you are still royally ****). SCR totally balanced though, no need to nerf. Ill stop posting about the SCR though, since this thread is about regen delays. It's the range, ScR may hurt, but it's not killing me from miles away. I can possibly do something to an enemy I can get too - can't do against one I can't. And the range meta in this game is completely **** up. How do you expect to balance shields when weapons are out of whack? lol SG are anti shield - why? Snipers too are mostly anti-shields besides 1 type - why? Would it not make more sense for the heavy hitting weapons to be used against the higher HP armor instead of shield? Sorry to continue to derail i'll stop lol
Shadowed Cola Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 1	Posted - 2015.09.18 19:26:00 - [5] - Quote Vesta Opalus wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Vesta Opalus wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Vesta Opalus wrote: Ill stop posting about the SCR though, since this thread is about regen delays. I'd appreciate that. Your mom would appreciate that. She would. If the weapon balance posts continue I'll have them snipped, so best not to waste precious time you guys will never get back because our lives are in fact finite. I can just delete them, let me see if I can figure out how... Nope, too dumb, feel free to delete them, I wont mind. Only mods can, you can submit a report or ticket and ask CCP to do it - they sometimes do. Anyone got a link of the damage types and armor types and there resistance values?