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Sgt Kirk
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Posted - 2015.09.19 16:20:00 -
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*steps into thread*
There's a lot of instigating in here.
You can't effect one attribute of the game without affecting the other. Everything is related. Even if say I changed a stat that primarily benefits x race it will still trickle down to the others but that's already been addressed.
CPM already knows my stance on the issue, fix shields no matter what, Aeon and breaking are doing a great job on that so I'mnot too bothered besides looking over the numbers they post. I'm the one sitting in the corner trying to figure out when this change happens how do we stop the impending dual tanking storm, because it will come.
As much as I believe this game needs more TTK, dual tanking as is (or will be) is not the way.
(This post was not constructive sorry Aeon)
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Sgt Kirk
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Posted - 2015.09.19 16:57:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Sgt Kirk wrote:*steps into thread* There's a lot of instigating in here. You can't effect one attribute of the game without affecting the other. Everything is related. Even if say I changed a stat that primarily benefits x race it will still trickle down to the others but that's already been addressed. CPM already knows my stance on the issue, fix shields no matter what, Aeon and breaking are doing a great job on that so I'mnot too bothered besides looking over the numbers they post. I'm the one sitting in the corner trying to figure out when this change happens how do we stop the impending dual tanking storm, because it will come. As much as I believe this game needs more TTK, dual tanking as is (or will be) is not the way. (This post was not constructive sorry Aeon) Much like in Eve Online, the only way to assuredly nyx dual-tanking is to make it simply not worth doing. And that does not mean making it so that dual-tanking is impossible or counter-intuitive through penalties, it simply means providing modules in both high and low slots are just better to run. Look at Armor Tanking in Eve Online and it opens up your mid-slots for a plethora of EWAR opportunities, like tackle and mobility. Look at Shield Tanking and it opens up for damage amplification, tracking enhancement, mobility, and cargo space. Players can dual-tank in Eve but they choose not to because the options available provide for much more diverse and generally just better fittings than you'd get if you tried to brick down. We need to consider that for Dust 514, I feel. Carrot, not the stick.
Perfect thinking, and EVE is exactly what I look to when it comes to this. (god forbid I mention EVE!).
Sadly, I dont think we have enough resources right now for this platform to take the Carrot approach, which is prefered. Breakins idea is about the closest thing we have to a non-strenuous carrot approach and I'm not even sure if that's going to be implemented :(.
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Sgt Kirk
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Posted - 2015.09.19 17:22:00 -
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Varoth Drac wrote:Dual tanking can be reduced by making non-tank related mods more relatively effective compared to tanking mods, either by buffing other mods or nerfing tanking mods. This is effectively the carrot approach Aeon describes.
Other than non-tanking mods, regen mods are very important for reducing dual tanking. This is because they produce synergy between modules of the same tanking type, encouraging you to focus on one type. Shield regulators and shield delay are crucial as they are shield modules that compete with armour modules. They have to be more worthwhile than armour on a shield suit. This is why I caution against reducing base delays too much as it diminishes the effectiveness and value of regulators. If they delays are deemed too long, better to buff the regulators to give people the tools to reduce them if they give up on dual tanking. Buffing other mods = carrot
Nefing tank mods = stick
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Sgt Kirk
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Posted - 2015.09.19 18:36:00 -
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Yep. I'm all for buffing other modules but realistically, ps3 is too much of a hassle and not enough resources/man power to go towards the carrot approach.
It's either carrot breakin way which I strongly prefer, or my ghetto stick approach, which makes me hate the old DEVs even more.
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Sgt Kirk
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Posted - 2015.09.21 17:55:00 -
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zzZaXxx wrote:You bickering trolls have derailed this discussion with your petty personal grievances. Cease and desist. Best post in this thread.
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Sgt Kirk
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Posted - 2015.09.21 23:35:00 -
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Adipem Nothi 2.0
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