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deezy dabest
IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP Evil Syndicate Alliance.
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Posted - 2015.09.16 21:52:00 -
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The jumpy mass drivers are not the problem.
It is their ability to place themselves directly above you creating a very awkward situation when you account for sluggish controls and aim assist.
Turn speed and aiming down the sights should be nerfed a little as well. I mean seriously lets all hop on a trampoline and see how well we can hit a target while in mid air.
Together these would make them actually working as intended to give access to different places while not just making them the new strafe.
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Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2015.09.16 21:55:00 -
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deezy dabest wrote:The jumpy mass drivers are not the problem.
It is their ability to place themselves directly above you creating a very awkward situation when you account for sluggish controls and aim assist.
Turn speed and aiming down the sights should be nerfed a little as well. I mean seriously lets all hop on a trampoline and see how well we can hit a target while in mid air.
Together these would make them actually working as intended to give access to different places while not just making them the new strafe.
I mean, if we really want to get realistic here; try changing turn direction in midair.
Hint: It doesn't work.
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Sicerly Yaw
Corrosive Synergy No Context
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Posted - 2015.09.16 21:56:00 -
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I dont know about you but I can make a jump shot just as easily as I can do one while standing, now that may be basketball but I can say the same about drop shots in paintball/airsoft
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deezy dabest
IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP Evil Syndicate Alliance.
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Posted - 2015.09.16 21:59:00 -
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Sicerly Yaw wrote:I dont know about you but I can make a jump shot just as easily as I can do one while standing, now that may be basketball but I can say the same about drop shots in paintball/airsoft
Yes but you are not changing direction well after you jump. Try facing away from the goal and jumping and spinning to face the goal perfectly in mid air and then shooting.
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Vicious Minotaur
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Posted - 2015.09.16 22:10:00 -
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I recall a completely reasonable proposition pertaining to jump methodology, whereby the developers make it such that holding the jump button for, say a second or two and releasing allows for a high jump. Then, "flying" mid-combat would be made more difficult to pull off, aka: less spam-able.
Jumping needs to be either for tactical positioning out of direct combat, or for tactical retreats to escape direct combat; NOT for a primary means of maneuvering IN direct combat.
Until such a thing happens, expect people to fly mid-combat whilst metaphorically pooping on your head like birds with their explosive weapons.
Making it so that one can't adjust their trajectory mid-air, I would say, wouldn't fix much of anything.
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BARAGAMOS
Kinsho Swords Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.09.16 23:19:00 -
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Vicious Minotaur wrote:I recall a completely reasonable proposition pertaining to jump methodology, whereby the developers make it such that holding the jump button for, say a second or two and releasing allows for a high jump. Then, "flying" mid-combat would be made more difficult to pull off, aka: less spam-able.
Jumping needs to be either for tactical positioning out of direct combat, or for tactical retreats to escape direct combat; NOT for a primary means of maneuvering IN direct combat.
Until such a thing happens, expect people to fly mid-combat whilst metaphorically pooping on your head like birds with their explosive weapons.
Making it so that one can't adjust their trajectory mid-air, I would say, wouldn't fix much of anything.
You would think after 100+ threads on this subject something would be done. If they don't have the coding skill to fix the myos then just turn them off till you have them fixed. It's not adding anything but frustration for the majority of players with a small group of guys crutching the glitch. I'm ready for a tactical shooter again, not Super Mario Brothers with MDs. |
Press Attache
The Office of The Attorney General
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Posted - 2015.09.17 00:09:00 -
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Sicerly Yaw wrote:I dont know about you but I can make a jump shot just as easily as I can do one while standing, now that may be basketball but I can say the same about drop shots in paintball/airsoft
Now try it with something that fires a projectile without anchoring having your feet on the ground.
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Mex-0
Corrosive Synergy
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Posted - 2015.09.17 00:43:00 -
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Ghost Kaisar wrote:deezy dabest wrote:The jumpy mass drivers are not the problem.
It is their ability to place themselves directly above you creating a very awkward situation when you account for sluggish controls and aim assist.
Turn speed and aiming down the sights should be nerfed a little as well. I mean seriously lets all hop on a trampoline and see how well we can hit a target while in mid air.
Together these would make them actually working as intended to give access to different places while not just making them the new strafe.
I mean, if we really want to get realistic here; try changing turn direction in midair. Hint: It doesn't work.
Actually, I can sort of control myself. Not "Sooper flying hax" kind of control, but "Yesss I landed on that ledge without overshooting" kind.
HELLO
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Dreis ShadowWeaver
Abstract Requiem
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Posted - 2015.09.17 00:47:00 -
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Mex-0 wrote:Ghost Kaisar wrote:deezy dabest wrote:The jumpy mass drivers are not the problem.
It is their ability to place themselves directly above you creating a very awkward situation when you account for sluggish controls and aim assist.
Turn speed and aiming down the sights should be nerfed a little as well. I mean seriously lets all hop on a trampoline and see how well we can hit a target while in mid air.
Together these would make them actually working as intended to give access to different places while not just making them the new strafe.
I mean, if we really want to get realistic here; try changing turn direction in midair. Hint: It doesn't work. I do parkour. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuKzt7p-MnM
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Mex-0
Corrosive Synergy
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Posted - 2015.09.17 00:50:00 -
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Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote:Mex-0 wrote:Ghost Kaisar wrote:deezy dabest wrote:The jumpy mass drivers are not the problem.
It is their ability to place themselves directly above you creating a very awkward situation when you account for sluggish controls and aim assist.
Turn speed and aiming down the sights should be nerfed a little as well. I mean seriously lets all hop on a trampoline and see how well we can hit a target while in mid air.
Together these would make them actually working as intended to give access to different places while not just making them the new strafe.
I mean, if we really want to get realistic here; try changing turn direction in midair. Hint: It doesn't work. I do parkour. I never use myos
e.e I'm not parkour practioner
HELLO
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Dovallis Martan JenusKoll
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.09.17 01:01:00 -
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Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote:Mex-0 wrote:Ghost Kaisar wrote:deezy dabest wrote:The jumpy mass drivers are not the problem.
It is their ability to place themselves directly above you creating a very awkward situation when you account for sluggish controls and aim assist.
Turn speed and aiming down the sights should be nerfed a little as well. I mean seriously lets all hop on a trampoline and see how well we can hit a target while in mid air.
Together these would make them actually working as intended to give access to different places while not just making them the new strafe.
I mean, if we really want to get realistic here; try changing turn direction in midair. Hint: It doesn't work. I do parkour. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuKzt7p-MnM
Hahaha, you just proved you cared about the post to a 3rd degree with that response.
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Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2015.09.17 01:09:00 -
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Mex-0 wrote:Ghost Kaisar wrote:deezy dabest wrote:The jumpy mass drivers are not the problem.
It is their ability to place themselves directly above you creating a very awkward situation when you account for sluggish controls and aim assist.
Turn speed and aiming down the sights should be nerfed a little as well. I mean seriously lets all hop on a trampoline and see how well we can hit a target while in mid air.
Together these would make them actually working as intended to give access to different places while not just making them the new strafe.
I mean, if we really want to get realistic here; try changing turn direction in midair. Hint: It doesn't work. Actually, I can sort of control myself. Not "Sooper flying hax" kind of control, but "Yesss I landed on that ledge without overshooting" kind.
Jump up with a slight spin
In midair, try to spin the other direction.
Without doing some very odd things to you bone structure (To change your axis of rotation), it will be impossible.
You have no way of generating the necessary force to change spin in midair, since you only have air to push against.
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Sicerly Yaw
Corrosive Synergy No Context
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Posted - 2015.09.17 01:59:00 -
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Ghost Kaisar wrote:
Jump up with a slight spin
In midair, try to spin the other direction.
Without doing some very odd things to you bone structure (To change your axis of rotation), it will be impossible.
You have no way of generating the necessary force to change spin in midair, since you only have air to push against.
this is false counter rotation is achieved trough many different techniques one might cite some martial arts techniques where in you change the direction and therefor the vector of movement mid flight whether that be a reverse spin when correcting for rotation speed or simply changing directions mid flight trough some slightly complicated maneuvering
now don't get me wrong I am not saying that its easy but surely if anyone could achieve such feats it'd be a futuristic super soldier, as well as it being possible to use the weight of the item being held to use as a counter force to achieve faster rotation or stopping speed in mid air, such as it would happen if you were to try to push a heavy box in mid air and since we are told that these weapons used are highly volatile and that these super soldier are relatively tall and strong it wouldn't be too far off to believe that the weapons would have a significant weight to them
and the final point I'd like to make is that when falling trying to aim a weapon accurately does in fact become difficult and you would see this is you tried using any rifle with a myo fit, knowing all of this it is fairly easy to simply stand below the jumper or position yourself behind them or at a reasonable angle wherein it becomes difficult for them to track you
no matter how you put it when it comes down to it people aren't complaining about myos themselves in fact they are complaining about anything that kills them a significant amount of times and they cant find a way to counter it, this is why you have many players such as myself that do know how they work and know how to counter them trying to stop the nonsense and ignorance of other players that simply cry out for unreasonable nerfs without even knowing how to properly deal with the situation
I will end with a simple correction, you may not be able to change the axis of rotation, but that doesn't mean you cant change the direction of the rotation, you will still spin on the same axis but not to the same direction, a small experiment you can try out is simply jumping then trying to rotate in either direction if you succeed that should be proof enough that changing your rotational vector is plausible and if you fail well you may need to improve your coordination perhaps that is why you complain about not being able to shoot jumpy fits? ( you might want to try this on a trampoline if you cant jump high enough to actually test this out)
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Press Attache
The Office of The Attorney General
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Posted - 2015.09.17 02:02:00 -
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Sicerly Yaw wrote:Ghost Kaisar wrote:
Jump up with a slight spin
In midair, try to spin the other direction.
Without doing some very odd things to you bone structure (To change your axis of rotation), it will be impossible.
You have no way of generating the necessary force to change spin in midair, since you only have air to push against.
this is false counter rotation is achieved trough many different techniques one might cite some martial arts techniques where in you change the direction and therefor the vector of movement mid flight whether that be a reverse spin when correcting for rotation speed or simply changing directions mid flight trough some slightly complicated maneuvering now don't get me wrong I am not saying that its easy but surely if anyone could achieve such feats it'd be a futuristic super soldier, as well as it being possible to use the weight of the item being held to use as a counter force to achieve faster rotation or stopping speed in mid air, such as it would happen if you were to try to push a heavy box in mid air and since we are told that these weapons used are highly volatile and that these super soldier are relatively tall and strong it wouldn't be too far off to believe that the weapons would have a significant weight to them and the final point I'd like to make is that when falling trying to aim a weapon accurately does in fact become difficult and you would see this is you tried using any rifle with a myo fit, knowing all of this it is fairly easy to simply stand below the jumper or position yourself behind them or at a reasonable angle wherein it becomes difficult for them to track you no matter how you put it when it comes down to it people aren't complaining about myos themselves in fact they are complaining about anything that kills them a significant amount of times and they cant find a way to counter it, this is why you have many players such as myself that do know how they work and know how to counter them trying to stop the nonsense and ignorance of other players that simply cry out for unreasonable nerfs without even knowing how to properly deal with the situation I will end with a simple correction, you may not be able to change the axis of rotation, but that doesn't mean you cant change the direction of the rotation, you will still spin on the same axis but not to the same direction, a small experiment you can try out is simply jumping then trying to rotate in either direction if you succeed that should be proof enough that changing your rotational vector is plausible and if you fail well you may need to improve your coordination perhaps that is why you complain about not being able to shoot jumpy fits? ( you might want to try this on a trampoline if you cant jump high enough to actually test this out)
Did you not take physics in school?
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Sicerly Yaw
Corrosive Synergy No Context
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Posted - 2015.09.17 02:16:00 -
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Press Attache wrote:
Did you not take physics in school?
have you ever watched an astronaut or someone in a vomit comet ? if you haven't go watch a video and see if you can spot anyone that isn't touching any surfaces spin one way or the other and perhaps even stop spinning and start to spin in the opposite or a different direction altogether
using physics you can achieve a great many things, are you one of those people that think running up a wall or wall running in general is impossible as well?
just because you cant do something or even understand it doesn't mean its not possible
if you start off spinning in one direction it can be hard to change that direction as it takes some effort, this does not mean it is impossible and knowing how it all works can give you insight into how you can actually achieve maneuvers that may otherwise seem not plausible, take skateboarding or snowboarding even surfing as an example, many times you can see someone that starts off a spin and stops before landing to correct for a smooth landing
if you jump up a significant height and have a certain amount of flight time its not entirely unreasonable that you would at least have some degree of control
lets also consider free falling, have you ever watched anyone start off spinning then slow down and stop?
I don't want to hear comment like yours from someone that clearly doesn't even understand the subject in question, now if you have some credential I may be inclined to listen but the proof is in the pudding my friend
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Operative 1174 Uuali
True Companion Planetary Requisitions
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Posted - 2015.09.17 02:33:00 -
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deezy dabest wrote:The jumpy mass drivers are not the problem.
It is their ability to place themselves directly above you creating a very awkward situation when you account for sluggish controls and aim assist.
Turn speed and aiming down the sights should be nerfed a little as well. I mean seriously lets all hop on a trampoline and see how well we can hit a target while in mid air.
Together these would make them actually working as intended to give access to different places while not just making them the new strafe.
Call me when scouts actually become scouts instead of arena ninjas.
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deezy dabest
IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP Evil Syndicate Alliance.
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Posted - 2015.09.17 02:43:00 -
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Operative 1174 Uuali wrote:deezy dabest wrote:The jumpy mass drivers are not the problem.
It is their ability to place themselves directly above you creating a very awkward situation when you account for sluggish controls and aim assist.
Turn speed and aiming down the sights should be nerfed a little as well. I mean seriously lets all hop on a trampoline and see how well we can hit a target while in mid air.
Together these would make them actually working as intended to give access to different places while not just making them the new strafe.
Call me when scouts actually become scouts instead of arena ninjas.
I agree. Personally I think scouts should only have 1 light weapon slot. Scouts are easily the most versatile suit in the game.
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Press Attache
The Office of The Attorney General
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Posted - 2015.09.17 02:56:00 -
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Sicerly Yaw wrote:Press Attache wrote:
Did you not take physics in school?
have you ever watched an astronaut or someone in a vomit comet ? if you haven't go watch a video and see if you can spot anyone that isn't touching any surfaces spin one way or the other and perhaps even stop spinning and start to spin in the opposite or a different direction altogether using physics you can achieve a great many things, are you one of those people that think running up a wall or wall running in general is impossible as well? just because you cant do something or even understand it doesn't mean its not possible if you start off spinning in one direction it can be hard to change that direction as it takes some effort, this does not mean it is impossible and knowing how it all works can give you insight into how you can actually achieve maneuvers that may otherwise seem not plausible, take skateboarding or snowboarding even surfing as an example, many times you can see someone that starts off a spin and stops before landing to correct for a smooth landing if you jump up a significant height and have a certain amount of flight time its not entirely unreasonable that you would at least have some degree of control lets also consider free falling, have you ever watched anyone start off spinning then slow down and stop? I don't want to hear comment like yours from someone that clearly doesn't even understand the subject in question, now if you have some credential I may be inclined to listen but the proof is in the pudding my friend
On, how I love people who think they are smart.
Please go find video footage of someone on the vomit comet or ISS or space station where they change their direction of rotation without making contact with anything.
I'll take your "that's not what I meant" post afterwards to mean you couldn't.
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