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Posted - 2015.09.12 20:43:00 -
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What is a contemporary console but a dedicated game computer anyway?
"OMG it can't be modified by every 16 year old taking Coding 1 online!" So what, good!
Keep the platform/hardwares standardized and the game quality stays reliable and consistent. Case in point-I have an Android phone, Android being a very open platform for individual coders to create content for. The Play Store is FULL of various games and apps. And, guess what- 95% of them are ******* trash. Absolute **** that wants to access every little detail of my existence to be installed/run. Because anyone can script an app. PC Master race? Yeah right. Quick evolution lesson, the PC far outdates the console in terms of development. If PCs for gaming were that great then consoles would have never been created let alone become a competitive market. I got out of PC gaming YEARS ago and have never looked back.
TL;DR keep stroking, PCMasterBaters. Keep stroking.
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Posted - 2015.09.12 21:27:00 -
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deezy dabest wrote:Forever ETC wrote:
Yes I do agree we will see a decline in console development and on some users. The thing is we won't see it as rapidly as most claim. Anyways I can totally see Microsoft dropping the console market in the next couple generations or at least stepping away support from it because they can afford the loss, but Sony is completely dependent on PS ecosystem to be alive as a company.
Sony is just as stable outside of the console game as microsoft is, if not more. The playstation is just one of hundreds of pieces of hardware that Sony makes. They could just as easily switch to gaming tablets and create a PSN type system for those since they already create phones and tablets. Thats not even mentioning the software and media aspects of Sony.
Extremely valid point about Sony and one that reinforces my point about the existence of consoles in general. Sony makes computers and has for a long time. And they also make our consoles. And will for a long time. A lot of people slam Sony products for various reasons but all too often neglect Sony's long history of innovation, innovation that includes part of an excellent replacement for "gaming PCs".
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Posted - 2015.09.12 22:20:00 -
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Forever ETC wrote:deezy dabest wrote:Forever ETC wrote:
Yes I do agree we will see a decline in console development and on some users. The thing is we won't see it as rapidly as most claim. Anyways I can totally see Microsoft dropping the console market in the next couple generations or at least stepping away support from it because they can afford the loss, but Sony is completely dependent on PS ecosystem to be alive as a company.
Sony is just as stable outside of the console game as microsoft is, if not more. The playstation is just one of hundreds of pieces of hardware that Sony makes. They could just as easily switch to gaming tablets and create a PSN type system for those since they already create phones and tablets. Thats not even mentioning the software and media aspects of Sony. Currently they're giving their smartphone market another shot, they've also dropped PCs and SOE and possibly will slow their TV production. They already tried that Mobile PSN thing that you mentioned and have also shut it down. Right now I believe they said PS is their largest profit market alongside Music and Movie divisions. Edit: And their cameras of course
Sony is the largest media distributor in the world, have been for a loooong time. If PS$ is anywhere near that $$ Sony and console gaming will be here for a very long time.
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Posted - 2015.09.12 23:07:00 -
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Jonny D Buelle wrote:el OPERATOR wrote:Forever ETC wrote:deezy dabest wrote:Forever ETC wrote:
Yes I do agree we will see a decline in console development and on some users. The thing is we won't see it as rapidly as most claim. Anyways I can totally see Microsoft dropping the console market in the next couple generations or at least stepping away support from it because they can afford the loss, but Sony is completely dependent on PS ecosystem to be alive as a company.
Sony is just as stable outside of the console game as microsoft is, if not more. The playstation is just one of hundreds of pieces of hardware that Sony makes. They could just as easily switch to gaming tablets and create a PSN type system for those since they already create phones and tablets. Thats not even mentioning the software and media aspects of Sony. Currently they're giving their smartphone market another shot, they've also dropped PCs and SOE and possibly will slow their TV production. They already tried that Mobile PSN thing that you mentioned and have also shut it down. Right now I believe they said PS is their largest profit market alongside Music and Movie divisions. Edit: And their cameras of course Sony is the largest media distributor in the world, have been for a loooong time. If PS$ is anywhere near that $$ Sony and console gaming will be here for a very long time. Fun fact: Nintendo was the first to create a PlayStation and worked with Sony. The Nintendo PlayStation was going to be both a disc based system AND a cartridge system for your old SNES and NES games. The reason why we never saw it was because Sony wanted more money even though they were getting a lot of money for it in the firstplace. So Nintendo and Sony split and now we have the Wii and the PlayStation. So we should really be thanking Nintendo for Sony going into consoles and Sony has always been greedy. Edit: It was also know as Famicon.
So Nintendo was getting carried by Sony and Sony cut them off? Definitely shows when we look at just what the Wii vs the PS3 is. The Wii is the biggest waste of a gaming computer from a once decent gaming computer maker ever.
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Posted - 2015.09.12 23:32:00 -
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Jonny D Buelle wrote:el OPERATOR wrote:Jonny D Buelle wrote:
Fun fact: Nintendo was the first to create a PlayStation and worked with Sony. The Nintendo PlayStation was going to be both a disc based system AND a cartridge system for your old SNES and NES games. The reason why we never saw it was because Sony wanted more money even though they were getting a lot of money for it in the firstplace. So Nintendo and Sony split and now we have the Wii and the PlayStation.
So we should really be thanking Nintendo for Sony going into consoles and Sony has always been greedy.
Edit: It was also know as Famicon.
So Nintendo was getting carried by Sony and Sony cut them off? Definitely shows when we look at just what the Wii vs the PS3 is. The Wii is the biggest waste of a gaming computer from a once decent gaming computer maker ever. Actually it was the other way around. Nintendo had already seen success with its NES and SNES. Sony wasn't even a console developer but focused more on tvs and such. When Nintendo came up with he idea for the PlayStation, Sony was chosen to help manufacturer it. However because of their greed theybsplit and Nintendo went with Philips for the manufacturing. So if it wasn't for Nintendo, Sony would of never gotten into the console business. Also Nintendo was a console not a computer. And the Wii was a fail, but the Wii U is amazing and has awesome exckusives. Splatoon is glorious, LoZ is amazing, and Mario need I say more? Also last I checked, the Nintendo still makes the most popular hand held gaming system.
Not being versed in the details of the thing but being very familiar with both companies I would venture that Nintendo tried pairing with Sony for their idea because Sony had probably developed some proprietary tech Nintendo wanted to use. Also, the timeline you describe is bothering me, since the Playstation predates the Wii by several years. If it was just a manufacturing thing thats a really long time for that sort of tooling issue.
Handheld? So...smartphone/tablet?
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Posted - 2015.09.13 00:04:00 -
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Jonny D Buelle wrote:el OPERATOR wrote:Jonny D Buelle wrote:el OPERATOR wrote:Jonny D Buelle wrote:
Fun fact: Nintendo was the first to create a PlayStation and worked with Sony. The Nintendo PlayStation was going to be both a disc based system AND a cartridge system for your old SNES and NES games. The reason why we never saw it was because Sony wanted more money even though they were getting a lot of money for it in the firstplace. So Nintendo and Sony split and now we have the Wii and the PlayStation.
So we should really be thanking Nintendo for Sony going into consoles and Sony has always been greedy.
Edit: It was also know as Famicon.
So Nintendo was getting carried by Sony and Sony cut them off? Definitely shows when we look at just what the Wii vs the PS3 is. The Wii is the biggest waste of a gaming computer from a once decent gaming computer maker ever. Actually it was the other way around. Nintendo had already seen success with its NES and SNES. Sony wasn't even a console developer but focused more on tvs and such. When Nintendo came up with he idea for the PlayStation, Sony was chosen to help manufacturer it. However because of their greed theybsplit and Nintendo went with Philips for the manufacturing. So if it wasn't for Nintendo, Sony would of never gotten into the console business. Also Nintendo was a console not a computer. And the Wii was a fail, but the Wii U is amazing and has awesome exckusives. Splatoon is glorious, LoZ is amazing, and Mario need I say more? Also last I checked, the Nintendo still makes the most popular hand held gaming system. Not being versed in the details of the thing but being very familiar with both companies I would venture that Nintendo tried pairing with Sony for their idea because Sony had probably developed some proprietary tech Nintendo wanted to use. Also, the timeline you describe is bothering me, since the Playstation predates the Wii by several years. If it was just a manufacturing thing thats a really long time for that sort of tooling issue. Handheld? So...smartphone/tablet? Compareing the PlayStation and the Wii was comparing modern variations of their consoles and a DS is way better than a smartphone or tablet when it comes to gaming. That evolved from the Gameboy, again one of the best handheld gaming systems which was again developed by Nintendo. Also your venture is almost correct. The name playsation and the overall design was infact done by Sony. But the idea of a system to play both disc and cartridge games as well as the devopoment side for it came from Nintendo. The profit was to be split evenly but Sony demanded more and they claimed the name PlayStation as it was their idea. This was between 1988 and 1991.
Interesting. Can't blame Sony for not wanting to anchor to what was then already becoming an obsolete format or getting paid.
And we all loved the GameBoy. Till we saw the GameGear.
DS better be better for gaming, its competitive bracket has become crowded.
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Posted - 2015.09.13 00:59:00 -
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Jonny D Buelle wrote:el OPERATOR wrote:
Interesting. Can't blame Sony for not wanting to anchor to what was then already becoming an obsolete format or getting paid.
And we all loved the GameBoy. Till we saw the GameGear.
DS better be better for gaming, its competitive bracket has become crowded.
Sony wanted more money, they didn't care about the obsolete format or anything. They carried on the PlayStation without the SNES attachment but it took them another 3 years to finish devolping it. The fact that they turned down an innovative company shows how flawed they were back in the 90s. Um last I checked Gamegear was no where near as successful as the Gameboy. Also saying or implying that tablets and phones are better for gaming is just plain stupidity.
Sony wanted more money, ok. They also, after severing ties, were in-market with their Playstation years ahead of the Wii. Thats a good indicator of who was actually doing the work in that relationship.
The point about portables is less about better and more about crowded. The more options there are, the more diluted the earnings become. So to generate the product must stand out. Personally I havent seen a game ever on the DS that I wojld buy one for. I have run games on my various phones tho. Why? Because I love gaming, own phones that I can game on and in those idle moments when a portable game would be nice all it takes is a couple swipes through the google store.
And the GameGear smoked the GameBoy. Sega just did the one whereas Nintendo kept going with theirs.
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Posted - 2015.09.13 07:46:00 -
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Jonny D Buelle wrote:el OPERATOR wrote:Jonny D Buelle wrote:el OPERATOR wrote:
Interesting. Can't blame Sony for not wanting to anchor to what was then already becoming an obsolete format or getting paid.
And we all loved the GameBoy. Till we saw the GameGear.
DS better be better for gaming, its competitive bracket has become crowded.
Sony wanted more money, they didn't care about the obsolete format or anything. They carried on the PlayStation without the SNES attachment but it took them another 3 years to finish devolping it. The fact that they turned down an innovative company shows how flawed they were back in the 90s. Um last I checked Gamegear was no where near as successful as the Gameboy. Also saying or implying that tablets and phones are better for gaming is just plain stupidity. Sony wanted more money, ok. They also, after severing ties, were in-market with their Playstation years ahead of the Wii. Thats a good indicator of who was actually doing the work in that relationship. The point about portables is less about better and more about crowded. The more options there are, the more diluted the earnings become. So to generate the product must stand out. Personally I havent seen a game ever on the DS that I wojld buy one for. I have run games on my various phones tho. Why? Because I love gaming, own phones that I can game on and in those idle moments when a portable game would be nice all it takes is a couple swipes through the google store. And the GameGear smoked the GameBoy. Sega just did the one whereas Nintendo kept going with theirs. Really? Then why is it people atill refer to the GB GBC and the GBA instead of Sega's GG when talking about hand held systems of the past? Also the Wii is the most RECENT nintendo system. There was the N64 in the nineties which introduced the rumblepack and rumble features in games, Nintento Game Cube which was compatible with a GBA and had some amazing games on it then the Wii which had backwards compatability with Game Cube games, something the PS3 never had, then the Wii U which has some amazing exclusives compared to the PS4 Edit: Come to think of it, Nintendo has made some great innovations for games and gaming in general.
For all those innovations tho, hell especially when considering all those innovations, Nintendo just doesn't pull results like the Playstation. "People" probably talk about GBC and GBA because, as I said, The GameGear was gone already by the time those were introduced, if I had to guess shed as Sega went for the Dreamcast and w/e replacement they may have planned dropped in light of the DCs lackluster sales after release. But, while it was out the GameGear pwnd GameBoy. 4 words: Portable Color Mortal Combat.
Yeah, Nintendo's been a huge innovator for gaming. Thats part of the disappointment with the Wii- NES motion control has been available since the original NES (PowerGlove, anybody? How about the UForce? Even tho it was 3rd party) so that the Wii now had motion contollers is anticlimatic to say the least. Wii, on release, needed to be more like the Kinect and that it wasn't sealed its doom it even with a couple great exclusives.
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