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Sicerly Yaw
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Posted - 2015.09.11 20:57:00 -
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mines 94 whats yours? got the idea from a herecles porch video and I'm wondering what everyone stats are
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Posted - 2015.09.11 21:16:00 -
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Mejt0 wrote:I guess around 350-500. Screw \/\/horing logis.
they die 10-20 times per match even proto stomp scubs still die 2-3 times per match I highly doubt its that high unless they've been here since beta
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Posted - 2015.09.11 21:49:00 -
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Mejt0 wrote:Sicerly Yaw wrote:Mejt0 wrote:I guess around 350-500. Screw \/\/horing logis. they die 10-20 times per match even proto stomp scubs still die 2-3 times per match I highly doubt its that high unless they've been here since beta \/\/horing logis die 0-3 times a battle. Where did you get your numbers and "that high" thing?
just because you cant kill them as much doesn't mean they don't die as much
and that high 350-500 means they have to get a very high average of 3k wp and less then 10 deaths per match, not every logi does this and most logies that get 3k average die on average more then 10 times and sure you get certain logis that go 6k with 2 deaths of less but thats not an accurate representation of what really goes on as those logis usually are leashing a heavy and that heavy sokes up damge from scrubs that dont get that they are just feeding them wp
I don't doubt that there are players that have over 500 wp to death ratio but its not an accurate representation of what they really do and that is the sole reason why rep tool wp rewards should be reduced drastically
you are assuming 350-500 from just the logis which is an unfair assumption as not everyone is a logi to begin with and not everyone farms wp, if you take into account the actul wp farming that used to take place on a match to match basis those numbers would be in the thousands maybe higher that's why
anyone with an unreasonable amount of wp's can easily be called out from their KD and other stats
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Posted - 2015.09.11 22:14:00 -
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deezy dabest wrote:Mejt0 wrote:Sicerly Yaw wrote:Mejt0 wrote:I guess around 350-500. Screw \/\/horing logis. they die 10-20 times per match even proto stomp scubs still die 2-3 times per match I highly doubt its that high unless they've been here since beta \/\/horing logis die 0-3 times a battle. Where did you get your numbers and "that high" thing? Besides why would a person be applauded for saving the team 20 - 30 clones and costing the other team just as many by keeping people in the field fighting. Obviously K/D is the only thing that matters in this game. Screw you if your participation in a fight causes you to die. most logis don't even carry around needles anymore and a lot of the ones that do choose leaching on to heavies rather then helping anyone up
the wannabes of today rarely actually help out the team and they have no direct correlation to the other team losing clones as they aren't doing the killing in most occasions even if you say they field a fighting force that is mostly false as the people dying are the ones feeding the other team wp's in most occasions
most matches I play I rarely if ever even see anyone carrying a needle even if there's 5-6 logis carrying rep tools and even when there are needles around you aren't likely to see anything other then basic
you as a logi have no excuse to be feeding the other team as you put yourself in a support role not a fighting one so yes screw you for trying to do someone elses job leave that to the assault players and the other roles focus on what you are supposed to be doing and only engage when it is necessary usually giving cover fire or clearing an area before reviving someone
if you didn't realize my question was about wp to kd both you and mej brought up other issues that have nothing to do with the topic on hand whine and complain if you want to but that doesn't change the fact that you really have no case to argue when all the evidence is stacked against you
a logi needs to stay on the field and support their team as much as possible if you die then you aren't doing any good to your team, if you want to be a slayer or get some kills then why are you a logi to begin with
I have no issue with you playing however you want to but the facts are there and this is a team game so whatever you do is my business and everyone elses because I don't want to get stuck with scrubs that can only farm wp by leashing on to an armor tanker and wont even revive someone when they call for help and when they do its right in front of a fire fight causing that person to die again thats not helping anyone, I dont care if you think you revived 150 clones if all those players died right after you revived them in the first place you aren't really helping
its great to have a good logi heavy combo but what good does it do to the team if only those players are benefiting while everyone else is getting slaughtered
Its not that hard to simply rep up a heavy to full health then pull out your weapon and start killing people from a supportive position not the front line, no logi should ever go negative by doing this especially if they are where they are supposed to be and that's with the team where they are needed most
I can understand that you might play differently and that's fine that doesn't give you any excuse to be a burden to your team die 20 times revive 20 people but if those 20 people died right away then you didnt help your team out much at all and you just cost the team 40 clones rather then 20 if you had done your role correctly
feel free to argue any way you want, but you have to admit that there are more useless logis out there then there are useful ones if that wasnt the case then matches would never end due to clone count
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Posted - 2015.09.11 22:42:00 -
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deezy dabest wrote:
Does the other team not directly lose clones thanks to the heavies staying alive longer and soaking up more fire as oppose to just dying as soon as a few guys focus fire on them.
In my dominus sentinel I can generally come out ahead in a 2 v 1 fight against anything that is not a proto heavy. With even a basic logi on my back I can stand up in a 4 v 1 fight assuming the same.
How can you argue that in that case the logi did not directly cause the other team to lose more clones?
As far as what it does for the team is it gives them a better chance of not being slaughtered by thinning the pack of redberries and drawing the bulk of any focused fire.
You obviously have a very set definition of how logis should work and I am sure it does very well for you if you squad with people that do just what you are talking about but that does not make it a model that everyone in the game has to live by to be correct.
let me put it this way
a heavy with an hmg does about 600 damge per second in their optimal range, most rifles do about half as much going at about 400-500 if they have the profile advantage and some damge mods or with proficiency and wb bonus, say your being repped by a single logi with max skills but only using std so in this case a min logi to take advantage of the bonus to rep tools
that logi will be repping you at 100 or so hp per sec while they would be more useful in any situation if rather then continuously rep you they simply help you fight and rep you when they fight is over or revive you if need be
in a 1v4 situation there is no way you would survive against good players if you do it is more likely due to them being unskilled in which case they would've dropped even faster with some support fire from the logi
I've seen too many times logis standing around repping instead of helping the heavy out and I take full advantage of this going in with a SG or another high alpha weapon and destroy the heavy only to have the logi just stand there taking their sweet time to even switch out to use their weapon, I am not saying it is you that does this but I know damn well its the majority of the player base especially proto scrubs
skilled players know better then to do crap like that and its fairly evident In PC what works and what doesn't, so sure if you are a min logi and you are standing at a reasonable distance where it is better to rep them then help them fight thats great good job but if you are just standing there digging your nose for gold while repping anyone with high armor then sorry but I dont want you on my team
and mind you those proto logi heavy combos usually know what they are doing as that's pretty much all that they do I'm not saying they aren't useful especially if they do help out the rest of the team in a way that is beneficial, I am talking about those players that come out in first place with 6k wp and 15 deaths on a losing team when everyone else on the team has less then 1k wp and over 10 deaths each
just like you say that you cost the other team the same amount of clones you saved on your side there more then likely can be a better logi on the other side actually doing something helpful negating anything you think you did
a heavy can get 40+ kills but a logi can simply deny those clones dying by reviving them making your logi rep heavy combo useless
don't get me wrong here repping allies is a good thing but leashing for wp is pathetic, in fact there needs to be a system in place where in if someone you killed gets revived you get no reward denying kills needs to be a thing so that more people pay attention and actually play the game right, if everyone played like I did then there would be no way for a logi to revive their allies unless they managed to kill me before I made sure to double tap to destroy the clone, something which is rarely if ever done
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Sicerly Yaw
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Posted - 2015.09.11 22:44:00 -
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HOWDIDHEKILLME wrote:Around 190 last I checked
Edit: would prolly be better if I hadn't blown myself up when I ran out of ammo so much... Also do it just so someone can't kill me sometimes lol.
this doesn't make too much sense if any at all
how do you blow yourself up if you have no ammo left if you simply hold a nade and wait till it goes boom wouldn't it be more efficient to simply suicide? or heck just carry around hives there's no reason why you should be running out of ammo!
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Posted - 2015.09.11 22:54:00 -
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jane stalin wrote:Sicerly Yaw wrote: feel free to argue any way you want, but you have to admit that there are more useless logis out there then there are useful ones if that wasnt the case then matches would never end due to clone count
??? you could pretty much say that about every class I am not that useful as a logi but I would be less useful as another class, I am simply not that good at the game.
thats the thing tho simply leaching on to a single person all match doesn't do much good unless that one person is capable of carrying the team to victory things like ammo hives and needles or even scans are more effective to help all of your team rather then just one person
you dont have to be a good player to carry around links and hives and place them where they are most needed and while you do that you can rep players that need it not just stick to a single person and rep them all match
a logi can support in many ways it's not a role made for slaying so there's no reason for them to be in the front line unless they are directly needed there which is usually not the case
trust me if you just carry around links hives and a scanner you are more useful then anyone repping a single heavy needles are also good to carry but it takes more then simply reviving just anyone that calls out for help just be sure that you aren't in any danger before reviving anyone as there is no use in picking someone up only to be killed and feed the other team 2 kills instead of just 1
a needle especially and adv or proto one is more useful then a rep tool not all suits can have insane amounts of hp but reviving someone with enough health to survive is very helpful
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Posted - 2015.09.11 23:03:00 -
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deezy dabest wrote:
Yes because obviously when engage I be sure to stand perfectly still and never weave in and out of cover to be sure that all enemies can apply maximum DPS to me. What kind of inconsiderate ass would do things like that?
Surely it is also impossible to terminate clones or kill the logi that comes and tries to pick them up. I thought it was said that none of them carry needles anyway?
Personally I would much rather have my logi consistently locked on to offset enemy DPS rather than him trying to do 2 jobs and risking one of us being left to fend for our self.
precisely the type of cowardice that plagues this game, what you fail to realize is that not every engagement is in your favor perhaps to you against the players that you might play against this may be true but if at any time you come across me or any player that knows what they are doing you will be dropped like a fly
I don't care how many logis are repping you one FG round to the face and there's no saving your clone, oh wait never mind I'm a scout this time you are watching your back and your logi friend isn't even paying attention guess what you just got knifed son wait no I'm using a shotgun 1-2 shots in the face your done for, hold up I feel like using a plc this round boom your dead oh wait never mind I opted for a melee fit smack your dead
see what I mean I don't care what type of scrubs you play against it doesn't change the fact that a good logi can save you from many situations by simply paying attention and using their weapon to cover you from situations that would otherwise end in you both dying, just ask any of the players on the leader boards you don't think they made it up their on their own do you? most of them anyway
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Sicerly Yaw
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Posted - 2015.09.11 23:19:00 -
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HOWDIDHEKILLME wrote:Cyzad4 wrote:209.7865232975 let's call it 210 higher than I would've thought Use a calculator it's 113
how does 209 become 113?
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Sicerly Yaw
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Posted - 2015.09.11 23:25:00 -
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HOWDIDHEKILLME wrote:Sicerly Yaw wrote:HOWDIDHEKILLME wrote:Cyzad4 wrote:209.7865232975 let's call it 210 higher than I would've thought Use a calculator it's 113 how does 209 become 113? 1463261wp/12916 kills = 113
is it your alt tho or something or are you stating your stats? also its not kills its deaths so you may have the wrong answer
wp/deaths
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Sicerly Yaw
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Posted - 2015.09.11 23:30:00 -
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HOWDIDHEKILLME wrote:Lol I was checking wp/kills
yeah I can see that you had me confused lol
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Posted - 2015.09.11 23:49:00 -
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HOWDIDHEKILLME wrote:Duna...4708/wp per death. must be closing on a trillion isk
duna doesnt die he rides around int a proto tank with maxed skills and even if his tank gets destroyed he can simply walk away and call in a new one
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Posted - 2015.09.12 00:07:00 -
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HOWDIDHEKILLME wrote:I killed him a while ago... Didn't affect his kd 10/0 = 10/1 the KD is still the same xD
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Posted - 2015.09.12 00:18:00 -
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maybe deadcatz wrote:Dunno what my wp ratio is. How do I even find that out? The only rule I ever follow with k/d is kill at least 3 peoples before dying?
cats have no need for kd or wp ratios they have cuteness ratios and that's all that matters
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Posted - 2015.09.12 01:48:00 -
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Mejt0 wrote:Sh!t went down, holy cow!! 350-500 wp is my wp/death ratio (as a slayer/vehcile guy)
Do you all fail to see \/\/horing before logis? There's a difference between logi and \/\/horing logi. You people are so hot-tempered.
refer to my duna comment scrub
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Posted - 2015.09.12 02:26:00 -
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Mejt0 wrote:Edited (cuz lol you people) I guess around 350-500. (that's my wp/d, I guess) Screw \/\/horing logis. (see \/\horing? Read it few more times so you understand)
just so you know how stupid you sound
350-500 is not an accurate number I'm not asking for estimates, second thing being logis everything I said still holds up and I mentioned it due to the comment somone else had made not directed at you self centered much? last thing being I doubt you have a score like that even still it only takes a few seconds to even check I didn't ask for you commentary not do I appreciate it as every time you do comment you always end up getting butt hurt as you edit clearly shows
perhaps if you weren't so vague you wouldn't need to clarify, theres not much difference from a KD padding sissy then there is a wp w*ore logi
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Posted - 2015.09.12 02:37:00 -
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deezy dabest wrote:Sicerly Yaw wrote:Mejt0 wrote:Edited (cuz lol you people) I guess around 350-500. (that's my wp/d, I guess) Screw \/\/horing logis. (see \/\horing? Read it few more times so you understand) just so you know how stupid you sound 350-500 is not an accurate number I'm not asking for estimates, second thing being logis everything I said still holds up and I mentioned it due to the comment somone else had made not directed at you self centered much? last thing being I doubt you have a score like that even still it only takes a few seconds to even check I didn't ask for you commentary not do I appreciate it as every time you do comment you always end up getting butt hurt as you edit clearly shows perhaps if you weren't so vague you wouldn't need to clarify, theres not much difference from a KD padding sissy then there is a wp w*ore logi K/D padding sissies leave battle any time they see a fight. WP whoring logis see a big fight as an opportunity for massive points. This applies to any logi worth a flying **** anyway. I would call that a big difference.
I dont think you understand the meaning of those terms, you dont see duna or basically any of the top players on the leader boards leaving battles, they don't need to and for the logis it doesn't matter much if theres no one to cover your ass if the rest of your team leaves you have no one to keep the enemy busy all focus turns to the remaining players, you try going 4 v 16 lets see how much your rep tool helps you in that match up
just to be clear a KD whose is no different from a WP in the term that they both only go for one thing rather then winning this is clrealy evident with people that get 30+ kills but still lose matches and logis that get 6k+ wp and still lose
not much of a difference because in terms of how valuable they are to the team its about the same
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Posted - 2015.09.12 03:07:00 -
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deezy dabest wrote:Sicerly Yaw wrote:deezy dabest wrote:Sicerly Yaw wrote:Mejt0 wrote:Edited (cuz lol you people) I guess around 350-500. (that's my wp/d, I guess) Screw \/\/horing logis. (see \/\horing? Read it few more times so you understand) just so you know how stupid you sound 350-500 is not an accurate number I'm not asking for estimates, second thing being logis everything I said still holds up and I mentioned it due to the comment somone else had made not directed at you self centered much? last thing being I doubt you have a score like that even still it only takes a few seconds to even check I didn't ask for you commentary not do I appreciate it as every time you do comment you always end up getting butt hurt as you edit clearly shows perhaps if you weren't so vague you wouldn't need to clarify, theres not much difference from a KD padding sissy then there is a wp w*ore logi K/D padding sissies leave battle any time they see a fight. WP whoring logis see a big fight as an opportunity for massive points. This applies to any logi worth a flying **** anyway. I would call that a big difference. I dont think you understand the meaning of those terms, you dont see duna or basically any of the top players on the leader boards leaving battles, they don't need to and for the logis it doesn't matter much if theres no one to cover your ass if the rest of your team leaves you have no one to keep the enemy busy all focus turns to the remaining players, you try going 4 v 16 lets see how much your rep tool helps you in that match up just to be clear a KD whose is no different from a WP in the term that they both only go for one thing rather then winning this is clrealy evident with people that get 30+ kills but still lose matches and logis that get 6k+ wp and still lose not much of a difference because in terms of how valuable they are to the team its about the same I think we now all understand that this thread was nothing more than a reason to make yourself feel better about being a K/D ***** in a game where K/D has little actual value. Pointing to a few tankers as the sole excuse for K/D padders is just a desperate attempt at validation. Not sure if you noticed or not but WP only comes from contributing to the team while K/D padding only comes from contributing when you know there are easy kills to be had. It's called padding for a reason.
I logi more often then I do anything else especially when in a squad, nothing you say or have said holds up, If you were even paying attention I have more deaths then I do kills my KD is negative so I fail to see how that makes me a KD w*ore while I do win battles more often then I lose them at a rate of 1.1 or so the reason I asked is right there in my post there's nothing more to it
if you and whatever other scrub has a problem with it fine go cry somewhere else cause I don't really care
its so wonderful that I get so many wp from reviving people and keeping them stocked on ammo then that person leashing the useless heavy yes its so great that I come in second place to a logi that only repped a heavy when I got 20+ kills and hacked the objective 5 times as well as placing links because no one else brought any so great
its so damn wonderful that my KD is negative but somehow I am still a KD padding w*ore while the so called vehicle specialist have insane KD's and get praised for it its so amazing that I get hate mail just for killing people that aren't even paying attention
I don't need to validate how good of a player I am, anyone that's played with me enough knows what I am capable of, and to me, all that I really care about is having a good fun competitive match, but sure my KD and WP/Death ratio matters so much that I need to post it on the forums to gloat against all the w*ores out there even tho all this information can be looked up by anyone
the presence of the people I get placed against as a solo player should be enough for anyone to see just what type of skill level I really hold and the fact that I hold back using mostly std gear should also tell you something
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Sicerly Yaw
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Posted - 2015.09.12 04:19:00 -
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HOWDIDHEKILLME wrote:Deezy's and yaw stop arguing, I checked your stats... You bolth suck Barely scoring over 110-120 wp per death
precisely my point
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Posted - 2015.09.12 13:36:00 -
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deezy dabest wrote:Sicerly Yaw wrote:HOWDIDHEKILLME wrote:Deezy's and yaw stop arguing, I checked your stats... You bolth suck Barely scoring over 110-120 wp per death precisely my point I like how you tried to tag along when he called both of us out.
I don't even think you even tried to understand anything I was telling you
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