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CommanderBolt Dead Man's Game 3	Posted - 2015.09.10 18:47:00 - [1] - Quote I assume everyone knows that the assault SMG is a poor choice compared to both the Breach SMG and Regular SMG but why is it this way? The Assault SMG does less DPS than both the breach and the regular SMG, has a smaller magazine capacity as well as less overall ammunition. (If I remember correctly it also has a lower accuracy figure?) I was checking the stats for ALL of the SMG`s out the other day and I was also surprised to find that the Minmatar LP store advanced breach SMG still has the stats from the older builds (lol missed that one CCP?) I expected that - for all of the Assaults' cons, the DPS was going to be higher to give it some sort of differentiation from the other two variants. This was not the case Why CCP? WHY! "Madness how we turned our common-ground into a battle-ground.." - Essa
Sergeant Sazu Mantodea MC 782	Posted - 2015.09.10 19:53:00 - [2] - Quote From what I hear, the Assault variant has an extra 2m optimal... OMG OP GIVE IT ALL THE DRAWBACKS -CCP [73.8m SP] "Ooh, Sazu reps. I AM IMMORTAAAL!" -Truck Fist
noob cavman Nos Nothi 3	Posted - 2015.09.10 20:00:00 - [3] - Quote A gentle nerf? HA! OCP makes them bleed. The most abusive northerner. currently reading crossed by alan moore. Remember your table salt XD
Lightning35 Delta514 The Warlords Legion 1	Posted - 2015.09.10 20:11:00 - [4] - Quote It's good actually. Imagine using the kalante assault rifle. That rof....that's what it's like, the problem is its ammo. The breach has to much when it should have less. CEO of T-W-L
Regnier Feros Pielords 664	Posted - 2015.09.10 20:13:00 - [5] - Quote I wish I could slay with the assault scrambler pistol ZariaOwnsWhips
Megaman Trigger OSG Planetary Operations 712	Posted - 2015.09.10 20:15:00 - [6] - Quote noob cavman wrote: A gentle nerf? HA! OCP makes them bleed. I'd buy that for a dollar. Purifier. First Class.
VikingKong iBUN Ancient Exiles. 535	Posted - 2015.09.10 20:55:00 - [7] - Quote yes buff pls I would like a Gallente SMG. TUNNEL SNAKES RULE
Mortishai Belmont G.L.O.R.Y 1	Posted - 2015.09.10 20:57:00 - [8] - Quote Because CCP The C.E.O. of G.L.O.R.Y, (~..)~ Now on Youtube ~(..~)
Nocturnal Soul Primordial Threat 7	Posted - 2015.09.10 21:48:00 - [9] - Quote Regnier Feros wrote: I wish I could slay with the assault/regular/burst scrambler pistol Ftfy "The Wrath of God is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited."
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 8	Posted - 2015.09.11 00:50:00 - [10] - Quote Regnier Feros wrote: I wish I could slay with the assault scrambler pistol Get good. It's the Marksman's Pistol. *Scouts United* Gk.0s & Quafes all day.
xavier zor InTheDark 2	Posted - 2015.09.11 01:48:00 - [11] - Quote Lightning35 Delta514 wrote: It's good actually. Imagine using the kalante assault rifle. That rof....that's what it's like, the problem is its ammo. The breach has to much when it should have less. its actually really terrible compared to the other SMG's. I emptied a full clip on a sentinel (Ishukone Assault SMG), kept him in my crosshairs all the time and I had to reload to kill him; the other 2 SMG's wouldn't do that. sLaYeR unicus peritia, salvus perveniet elite InTheDark InTheDark doesn't need you!
JIMvc2 KILL-EM-QUICK Rise Of Legion. 1	Posted - 2015.09.11 02:00:00 - [12] - Quote It should have damage just like the Assault HMG. BUFF IT!!! Why did the white girl cross the road? To get to Starbucks. <-- My GF will kill me if I ask her that lol :)
Ahkhomi Cypher Opus Arcana 1	Posted - 2015.09.11 02:16:00 - [13] - Quote Regnier Feros wrote: I wish I could slay with the assault scrambler pistol Assault MK.0 Ishy Assault Rail Rifle Templar Scrambler Pistol Because racial mixing is kinda what i do. TBD ringleader \| Yep Squad Spokesman
Vicious Minotaur 2	Posted - 2015.09.11 02:17:00 - [14] - Quote The assault SMG is perfectly balanced. Every single other weapon, on the other hand, are needlessly overpowered. Nerf more things to fix the problem. Easy peasy. I am a minotaur. a+üa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa+üa¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça+üa+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+üa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa+üa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ë
JIMvc2 KILL-EM-QUICK Rise Of Legion. 1	Posted - 2015.09.11 04:12:00 - [15] - Quote How would Dust be if every weapon did 1HP per bullet = Long as hell TTK xD I remember in Closed Beta TTK was awesome because it required actual SKILL to aim not like today >.> Why did the white girl cross the road? To get to Starbucks. <-- My GF will kill me if I ask her that lol :)
Nestil Nos Nothi 333	Posted - 2015.09.11 04:26:00 - [16] - Quote Maybe it's an conspiracy... CCP wants you to obviously use always the best choice of gear (beach SMG in this case) so they can extract your precious tears after they nerfed it to the ground.... Rattati is like immortan Joe, but his mask is filled with tears so he can survive and grow stronger O.o!!! I swear!!!! 'LR4-Trading' Protester
Genral69 death RAT PATROL INC. 714	Posted - 2015.09.11 10:04:00 - [17] - Quote Lol, the assault smg is not underpowered nor is it overpowered. Its a sidearm Yes it may have a smaller clip size but if you have lvl 5 min assault its not a big deal, also the fire rate certainly makes up for the damage . I.m surprized you even brought range into it as its a SIDEARM. When combined with a good shield base light weapon it can certainly do some damage https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=213777&find=unread
The KTM Duke Ancient FukBoiz. 890	Posted - 2015.09.11 10:38:00 - [18] - Quote CommanderBolt wrote: I assume everyone knows that the assault SMG is a poor choice compared to both the Breach SMG and Regular SMG but why is it this way? The Assault SMG does less DPS than both the breach and the regular SMG, has a smaller magazine capacity (Much less potential damage before reload) as well as less overall ammunition. (If I remember correctly it also has a lower accuracy figure?) I was checking the stats for ALL of the SMG`s out the other day and I was also surprised to find that the Minmatar LP store advanced breach SMG still has the stats from the older builds (lol missed that one CCP?) I expected that - for all of the Assaults' cons, the DPS was going to be higher to give it some sort of differentiation from the other two variants. This was not the case Why CCP? WHY! Also sk9m "mindrive" smg has wrong stats Selling voice bubbles 24/7 // H0riz0n Unlimit // Aim Assist: off ; Scrub mode: on ; A minute of silence for EU server o7
Francois Sanchez Prima Gallicus 521	Posted - 2015.09.11 10:56:00 - [19] - Quote You forgot one major drawback : It uses more CPU/PG than the other variants
Lightning35 Delta514 The Warlords Legion 1	Posted - 2015.09.11 10:59:00 - [20] - Quote xavier zor wrote: Lightning35 Delta514 wrote: It's good actually. Imagine using the kalante assault rifle. That rof....that's what it's like, the problem is its ammo. The breach has to much when it should have less. its actually really terrible compared to the other SMG's. I emptied a full clip on a sentinel (Ishukone Assault SMG), kept him in my crosshairs all the time and I had to reload to kill him; the other 2 SMG's wouldn't do that. the problem is the ammo That's the drawback and why everyone uses the others. It needs more ammo but it's not bad. CCP is just an @$$ and too lazy to fix it. It's been like this for UPDATES!!! (Ages). CEO of T-W-L
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 8	Posted - 2015.09.11 13:39:00 - [21] - Quote Ahkhomi Cypher wrote: Regnier Feros wrote: I wish I could slay with the assault scrambler pistol Assault MK.0 Ishy Assault Rail Rifle Templar Scrambler Pistol Because racial mixing is kinda what i do. You're disgusting. *Scouts United* Gk.0s & Quafes all day.
CommanderBolt Dead Man's Game 3	Posted - 2015.09.11 15:38:00 - [22] - Quote Francois Sanchez wrote: You forgot one major drawback : It uses more CPU/PG than the other variants I totally overlooked that, it just gets worse and worse. "Madness how we turned our common-ground into a battle-ground.." - Essa
Jakkal Shoobah Eastern Star Recon Group 226	Posted - 2015.09.11 19:30:00 - [23] - Quote Asmg is a pocket assault combat rifle because it has less damage and range and clip, but a similar accuracy and rof. Oh and the sidearm takes up more pg and CPU than the weapon light weapon its supposed to mimic last time I checked. Its quite nice as a mini acr back up on a min assault with a regular combat rifle, but other than that you gotta prefer it to use it While slow to anger and occasionally indecisive, they are also capable of harnessing enormous resolve when truly tested.
Sicerly Yaw Corrosive Synergy No Context 1	Posted - 2015.09.11 19:54:00 - [24] - Quote Sergeant Sazu wrote: From what I hear, the Assault variant has an extra 2m optimal... OMG OP GIVE IT ALL THE DRAWBACKS -CCP I am sure you aren't aware of this but it can be clearly seen what difference even one or two meters do and If I remember correctly it isn't only the optimal that is increased the effective range does as well and you can clearly see this in practice and the assault does a whole lot better at range then the other two while still maintaining the same if not slightly better dps click here if you are making a new account and want some free BPO's
Sergeant Sazu Mantodea MC 783	Posted - 2015.09.12 14:00:00 - [25] - Quote Sicerly Yaw wrote: Sergeant Sazu wrote: From what I hear, the Assault variant has an extra 2m optimal... OMG OP GIVE IT ALL THE DRAWBACKS -CCP I am sure you aren't aware of this but it can be clearly seen what difference even one or two meters do and If I remember correctly it isn't only the optimal that is increased the effective range does as well and you can clearly see this in practice and the assault does a whole lot better at range then the other two while still maintaining the same if not slightly better dps I'm completely aware. I've used SMGs from the start. My joke was that all those drawbacks are an overreaction to such a small advantage, as valuable as range is. Kind of like the old Amarr Commando. No H/L at STD, 10s delay, 10/s recharge. It was terrible, because CCP was being careful about a suit with 2 light weapons. [73.8m SP] "Ooh, Sazu reps. I AM IMMORTAAAL!" -Truck Fist
maybe deadcatz the nomercs 721	Posted - 2015.09.13 05:00:00 - [26] - Quote Easiest way to fix the smg. Assault version-80 clip size Vanilla version-72 in the clip Breach version-68 in clip So the damn descriptions of the weapons actually match. 'Perhaps fate will bless us,before this world opens its maw and swallows us'-space pirate encrypted log. They all died.
CommanderBolt Dead Man's Game 4	Posted - 2015.09.13 12:11:00 - [27] - Quote maybe deadcatz wrote: Easiest way to fix the smg. Assault version-80 clip size Vanilla version-72 in the clip Breach version-68 in clip So the damn descriptions of the weapons actually match. At the very least I do believe we need to do something like this. Not only that though, I would like to see actual DPS figures have a higher variation between the variants while still keeping all 3 of them useful. "Madness how we turned our common-ground into a battle-ground.." - Essa
axis alpha Neural Union 946	Posted - 2015.09.13 12:34:00 - [28] - Quote It use to be beast but it got nerfed hardcore Hullaballo and howdy doo! Musty prawns, and Timbucktu. Yeltsibee and hibbertyhoo Kick 'em in the dishpan. Hoo hoo hoo!

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