DUST Search - Time to ask for TRADING IMPROVEMENT!

KEROSIINI-TERO wrote:

Few months ago we were blessed finally with the ability to do trade.

Or rather, gift items. Gifting really isn't trading as such and is a very clumsy way of trading with some weaknesses out of which the least isn't the scamming.

Now, New Eden is a harsh place with backstabbing scamming and skullduggery. Great!
That's why CCP introduced the item gifting as trading with the words warning that part of the Eve/Dust experience is the need for trust and scamming (source)

BUT
Inability to directly swap goods for goods brings NO GAMEPLAY VALUE TO THE GAME.
Just delay, waste of time, ending often in case where both sides refuse to send first.

If someone says that scamming is a game of it's own right, they are partially true.
But commonly accepted trade/scamming mechanic is, for example in boardgames, as follows:

Quote:

When Is a Deal Binding?
When two players agree to a deal, it is binding if they
make the exchange immediately. A deal is not binding if it
involves an exchange of one thing now for something in the
future. Example: If you say GÇ£IGÇÖll give you 10 MB for the Boy
Sprouts, right now,GÇ¥ and the other player gives you the Boy
Sprouts, you have to pay. But if you say GÇ£If you give me the
Boy Sprouts next turn, IGÇÖll pay you 10 MB next turn,GÇ¥ and
he gives you the Group, you donGÇÖt have to pay next turn,
unless you want to!

source: Illuminati Rules, basic rules, section 8

That really REALLY is a good concept.

You ask why should we use that kind of rule from another not so hardcore game in our wonderful scamming universe?
Because Eve/Dust scamming is nothing compared to, for example, illuminati scamming. (Read: 9: advanced rules, Cheating.)

Would instant trading ('station trading') kill scamming?
No. In eve there IS the station trading, and it is still know for scamming. All other forms are still available: Market skullduggery, fleet backstabs, ganks not to mention billions of contract scams.

AND it is STILL possible to scam in station trading (entering x1000 less isk, presenting bp copy instead of bpo etc).
But it would happen within the user friendly UI mechanic.

Why is this issue relevent and urgent?
Because CCP Rattati asked for easy things doable in a simple hotfix.
Please go give a like on this request in that very thread here.
if you think that user interface shouldn't waste our time.
EDIT: no more, feedback gathering has ended.

PS: that way we would see what we would get, no need to check the inventory before and after the trade, just to see if we got anything.

From what time Illuminati have pyramid?
They have owl, pyramid and god eye is symbol of Deism and Illuminatis are for science, not Deism and religions.
For these two we already have Free Masons ;)

KEYWORD: BETTERTRADE


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postapo wastelander Corrosive Synergy 2	Posted - 2015.11.28 14:19:00 - [1] - Quote KEROSIINI-TERO wrote: Few months ago we were blessed finally with the ability to do trade. Or rather, gift items. Gifting really isn't trading as such and is a very clumsy way of trading with some weaknesses out of which the least isn't the scamming. Now, New Eden is a harsh place with backstabbing scamming and skullduggery. Great! That's why CCP introduced the item gifting as trading with the words warning that part of the Eve/Dust experience is the need for trust and scamming (source) BUT Inability to directly swap goods for goods brings NO GAMEPLAY VALUE TO THE GAME. Just delay, waste of time, ending often in case where both sides refuse to send first. If someone says that scamming is a game of it's own right, they are partially true. But commonly accepted trade/scamming mechanic is, for example in boardgames, as follows: Quote: When Is a Deal Binding? When two players agree to a deal, it is binding if they make the exchange immediately. A deal is not binding if it involves an exchange of one thing now for something in the future. Example: If you say GÇ£IGÇÖll give you 10 MB for the Boy Sprouts, right now,GÇ¥ and the other player gives you the Boy Sprouts, you have to pay. But if you say GÇ£If you give me the Boy Sprouts next turn, IGÇÖll pay you 10 MB next turn,GÇ¥ and he gives you the Group, you donGÇÖt have to pay next turn, unless you want to! source: Illuminati Rules, basic rules, section 8 That really REALLY is a good concept. You ask why should we use that kind of rule from another not so hardcore game in our wonderful scamming universe? Because Eve/Dust scamming is nothing compared to, for example, illuminati scamming. (Read: 9: advanced rules, Cheating.) Would instant trading ('station trading') kill scamming? No. In eve there IS the station trading, and it is still know for scamming. All other forms are still available: Market skullduggery, fleet backstabs, ganks not to mention billions of contract scams. AND it is STILL possible to scam in station trading (entering x1000 less isk, presenting bp copy instead of bpo etc). But it would happen within the user friendly UI mechanic. Why is this issue relevent and urgent? Because CCP Rattati asked for easy things doable in a simple hotfix. Please go give a like on this request in that very thread here. if you think that user interface shouldn't waste our time. EDIT: no more, feedback gathering has ended. PS: that way we would see what we would get, no need to check the inventory before and after the trade, just to see if we got anything. From what time Illuminati have pyramid? They have owl, pyramid and god eye is symbol of Deism and Illuminatis are for science, not Deism and religions. For these two we already have Free Masons ;) KEYWORD: BETTERTRADE *"Who is postapo?!"*