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HOWDIDHEKILLME
Dying to Reload
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Posted - 2015.09.04 17:16:00 -
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If there was no isk and you could run anything you wanted so long as you met the skill required, would you ever leave battle?
Edit: I have over a billion now but I never leave so I'm just wondering. |
Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
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Posted - 2015.09.04 17:20:00 -
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ISK efficiency only motivates certain players. Many players just don't want to get spanked. Some people just hate losing. It doesn't matter if ISK exists or not.
Remove ISK and you remove one of they few things that makes Dust different from other FPS: asset loss.
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Daddrobit
You Can Call Me Daddy
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Posted - 2015.09.04 17:21:00 -
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HOWDIDHEKILLME wrote:If there was no isk and you could run anything you wanted so long as you met the skill required, would you ever leave battle?
Edit: I have over a billion now but I never leave so I'm just wondering.
You do realize that the function of isk is pretty much the only thing differentiating Dust from any other game right? That and a skill tree wall that would keep the Huns out.
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HOWDIDHEKILLME
Dying to Reload
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Posted - 2015.09.04 17:26:00 -
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Skill tree... I laugh at the skill tree. With a combined sp of over 250 million I can do anything I want. |
Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
12
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Posted - 2015.09.04 17:29:00 -
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HOWDIDHEKILLME wrote:Skill tree... I laugh at the skill tree. With a combined sp of over 250 million I can do anything I want. If GD were a country right now, it would be Wedontgiveafuckistan, Whogivesashit province.
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HOWDIDHEKILLME
Dying to Reload
791
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Posted - 2015.09.04 17:32:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:ISK efficiency only motivates certain players. Many players just don't want to get spanked. Some people just hate losing. It doesn't matter if ISK exists or not.
Remove ISK and you remove one of they few things that makes Dust different from other FPS: asset loss.
If you leave battle you lost... If matchmaker works even a little and the teams have the same numbers but your losing then topping the scoreboard should be the objective. |
Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
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Posted - 2015.09.04 17:37:00 -
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HOWDIDHEKILLME wrote:If you leave battle you lost... If matchmaker works even a little and the teams have the same numbers but your losing then topping the scoreboard should be the objective. That is how you personally see it. That is not a bad outlook; even if you can't win you can at least top the EoM screen.
Sadly, I don't think this outlook is shared by the majority of people.
Also, remember that it is one thing to lose and another to get stomped. I have had close matches result in a loss that were incredibly fun. Then there are those matches where you are alive maybe 10s before a squad of officer gear chodes descend upon you.
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Talos Vagheitan
Ancient Exiles.
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Posted - 2015.09.04 17:52:00 -
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Nothing to kill, or die for...
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HOWDIDHEKILLME
Dying to Reload
791
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Posted - 2015.09.04 17:53:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:HOWDIDHEKILLME wrote:If you leave battle you lost... If matchmaker works even a little and the teams have the same numbers but your losing then topping the scoreboard should be the objective. That is how you personally see it. That is not a bad outlook; even if you can't win you can at least top the EoM screen. Sadly, I don't think this outlook is shared by the majority of people. Also, remember that it is one thing to lose and another to get stomped. I have had close matches result in a loss that were incredibly fun. Then there are those matches where you are alive maybe 10s before a squad of officer gear chodes descend upon you.
Maybe if all the idiots quit selling there gear to people with endless Isk rivers filling their pockets it wouldn't be happening?
Fixing this game is worse than trying to fix the real world... Even tho we can fix everything wrong with this virtual world it won't happen because debs seem to be enjoying the drama. Like why those worthless kardashians are famous. |
byte modal
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Posted - 2015.09.04 17:53:00 -
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I doubt I'd even join a battle, TBO, if no ISK or sense of progress and loss. I don't leave though, when I do play. I can't imagine not losing ISK would be a deterrent to those who drop out of matches anyway. It seems like KDR and/or stomping would be far more influential in leaving games in general.
Maybe I'm misunderstanding the premise? Except to back-door SP and ISK gloating.
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HOWDIDHEKILLME
Dying to Reload
791
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Posted - 2015.09.04 17:55:00 -
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Talos Vagheitan wrote:Nothing to kill, or die for...
I remember squading with you man... I respect your skills. What do you think the game needs most? |
Onesimus Tarsus
is-a-Corporation
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Posted - 2015.09.04 18:07:00 -
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HOWDIDHEKILLME wrote:Talos Vagheitan wrote:Nothing to kill, or die for... I remember squading with you man... I respect your skills. What do you think the game needs most? My guess is that he's gonna tell you that all you need is Love.
There are four main races in DUST514: The Amarr, bla, bla, and bla.
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deezy dabest
IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP Evil Syndicate Alliance.
3
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Posted - 2015.09.04 18:09:00 -
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HOWDIDHEKILLME wrote:If there was no isk and you could run anything you wanted so long as you met the skill required, would you ever leave battle?
Edit: I have over a billion now but I never leave so I'm just wondering.
Sitting just under 1.3 Billion and never leave battle but that is only because I have all 5 of the Imperial apex suits so I am profitable no matter what.
When it comes to pub contracts I draw the line at 100k loss in one match if I can really get away with driving the win. That pretty much equals to 2 proto suits until I am full APEX. Obviously I start out in APEX and only switch to proto if I deem it necessary.
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Lightning35 Delta514
The Warlords Legion
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Posted - 2015.09.04 18:39:00 -
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It would be ok till everyone starts running officer gear. Because without isk everything would have to be unlimited right? What about officer? It would be a nice idea excluding officer but then.......
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Talos Vagheitan
Ancient Exiles.
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Posted - 2015.09.04 19:16:00 -
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HOWDIDHEKILLME wrote:Talos Vagheitan wrote:Nothing to kill, or die for... I remember squading with you man... I respect your skills. What do you think the game needs most?
Thanks for the compliment.
The game needs a lot of things! The hard part is prioritizing, and making the most use of CCP's limited resources.
Here would be my list in order of importance
1.) Performance: The first thing that turns players off Dust. Silly glitches, Scotty errors, invisible walls, sticky floors, annoying terrain and overall clunkyness have no place in a modern shooter.
2.) Fun: This one is pretty broad and means a lot of things. Long story short every player should be able to turn on Dust and have a good time.
Different things are fun to different people so Dust needs to do a better job of everything it's currently trying to do.
Pubs should be a casual pick-up-and-play mode with a better matchmaking system, and an appropriate learning curve will graduate players into FW and PC.
3.) NPE: This game is bad at NPE. We've lost a lot of players because of it. I've already made lists of WA to improve this. But there needs to be a proper learning curve for new players.
4.) Customization: Customize everything! Customization is one of the most addicting parts of any game, including Dust, but it can do better. We need to customize our guns, Warbarges, Merc quarters HUD's, corporate HQ maps etc. Everything!
5.) Port: When the time is right, drop this fixed up game on the next gen (with a bundle of goodies for everyone who played on PS3)
6.) Profit
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HOWDIDHEKILLME
Dying to Reload
791
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Posted - 2015.09.04 19:26:00 -
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Lightning35 Delta514 wrote:It would be ok till everyone starts running officer gear. Because without isk everything would have to be unlimited right? What about officer? It would be a nice idea excluding officer but then.......
Without selling officer gear you would only get what you salvaged or got from lab/boxes so it would be better than if people with billions buying them all (what's happening now) even newbs would use them provided they have required skills. |
Aeon Amadi
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Posted - 2015.09.04 19:28:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:ISK efficiency only motivates certain players. Many players just don't want to get spanked. Some people just hate losing. It doesn't matter if ISK exists or not.
Remove ISK and you remove one of the few things that makes Dust different from other FPS: asset loss.
Lot of player's know my standpoint on the dogma that is risk/reward and asset loss. I came from Eve Online, so obviously there is a certain bias at hand but I have always had the volition that you should absolutely have to consider the loss of everything in a war-game like Dust 514. The in-game economy is incredibly important to me, however little of an economy it may be, and I've always held the stand-point that if it is free, it should come at some sort of cost, performance or otherwise.
It pains me to see so many players running around with APEX and BPO suits and even more so to watch the escalation from Militia BPOs, which do have a performance loss, to Standard BPOs, and now APEXs. I understand that it is a necessary evil, however.
I don't like it. Never have. I know a lot of players will contest me on that and say they just want to have fun, and that is fine. However I think a big contributing factor to what made Dust 514 as niche as it is -was- that consideration of value. That emphatic feeling of "Hah! I killed an officer suit using only standard gear!". That feeling, however, is de-valued whenever the gear being run is free (Militia, Standard, APEX) or too plentiful (officer).
I am passionate about this sort of thing and I think that sort of makes me a minority among the community, perhaps even the CPM, and I've made my standpoint on that very... very clear.
Current CPM Projects:
Assisting Kevall Longstride with NPE Hashing
FW Hashing
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Thor Odinson42
Ancient Exiles.
7
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Posted - 2015.09.04 19:33:00 -
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I'd rather see them turn the ISK faucet up in pubs to see if that gets people to fight.
Seriously, port it.
Hurry
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axis alpha
Neural Union
931
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Posted - 2015.09.04 19:35:00 -
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If there was no isk it wouldn't really matter. Either way people don't like getting stomped. Some people don't like certain maps. So they leave. Its not about isk for me. I run an adv gear program and I earn at least 500 k- 1mill a day. If I don't get bored and go on a av rampage in Dom lol then I lose isk.
Hullaballo and howdy doo! Musty prawns, and Timbucktu.
Yeltsibee and hibbertyhoo
Kick 'em in the dishpan. Hoo hoo hoo!
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HOWDIDHEKILLME
Dying to Reload
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Posted - 2015.09.04 19:40:00 -
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Talos Vagheitan wrote:HOWDIDHEKILLME wrote:Talos Vagheitan wrote:Nothing to kill, or die for... I remember squading with you man... I respect your skills. What do you think the game needs most? Thanks for the compliment. The game needs a lot of things! The hard part is prioritizing, and making the most use of CCP's limited resources. Here would be my list in order of importance 1.) Performance: The first thing that turns players off Dust. Silly glitches, Scotty errors, invisible walls, sticky floors, annoying terrain and overall clunkyness have no place in a modern shooter. 2.) Fun: This one is pretty broad and means a lot of things. Long story short every player should be able to turn on Dust and have a good time. Different things are fun to different people so Dust needs to do a better job of everything it's currently trying to do. Pubs should be a casual pick-up-and-play mode with a better matchmaking system, and an appropriate learning curve will graduate players into FW and PC. 3.) NPE: This game is bad at NPE. We've lost a lot of players because of it. I've already made lists of WA to improve this. But there needs to be a proper learning curve for new players. 4.) Customization: Customize everything! Customization is one of the most addicting parts of any game, including Dust, but it can do better. We need to customize our guns, Warbarges, Merc quarters HUD's, corporate HQ maps etc. Everything! 5.) Port: When the time is right, drop this fixed up game on the next gen (with a bundle of goodies for everyone who played on PS3) 6.) Profit
I think the reason for the lack of popularityand a good NPE has always been due to pub stomps...
Those who played from the beginning learned squads where the ultimate game changer, shared passive scans, more wp for orbitals and better payouts, and knowing you had someone on the team that could multiply team efficiency ( logi with equipment, heavy for meat shield, assault for speed, scout for scans and flanking )
This is why I have advocated no squads in pubs (JUST PUBS) and removing the leave battle option so matchmaker can do its job, since it's made moot when "good" players leave when odds seem bad taking massive sp advantages with them. When real reasons to quit arise you can always hit the power button.
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Thor Odinson42
Ancient Exiles.
7
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Posted - 2015.09.04 19:41:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Ripley Riley wrote:ISK efficiency only motivates certain players. Many players just don't want to get spanked. Some people just hate losing. It doesn't matter if ISK exists or not.
Remove ISK and you remove one of the few things that makes Dust different from other FPS: asset loss. Lot of player's know my standpoint on the dogma that is risk/reward and asset loss. I came from Eve Online, so obviously there is a certain bias at hand but I have always had the volition that you should absolutely have to consider the loss of everything in a war-game like Dust 514. The in-game economy is incredibly important to me, however little of an economy it may be, and I've always held the stand-point that if it is free, it should come at some sort of cost, performance or otherwise. It pains me to see so many players running around with APEX and BPO suits and even more so to watch the escalation from Militia BPOs, which do have a performance loss, to Standard BPOs, and now APEXs. I understand that it is a necessary evil, however. I don't like it. Never have. I know a lot of players will contest me on that and say they just want to have fun, and that is fine. However I think a big contributing factor to what made Dust 514 as niche as it is -was- that consideration of value. That emphatic feeling of "Hah! I killed an officer suit using only standard gear!". That feeling, however, is de-valued whenever the gear being run is free (Militia, Standard, APEX) or too plentiful (officer). I am passionate about this sort of thing and I think that sort of makes me a minority among the community, perhaps even the CPM, and I've made my standpoint on that very... very clear. Despite bpos becoming more powerful and ISK accumulation being stupidly easy after trading and FW buffs people still refuse to fight.
It defies logic for me that so many people turn on an FPS and don't want to play war.
Seriously, port it.
Hurry
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Forced Death
Corrosive Synergy No Context
1
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Posted - 2015.09.04 19:43:00 -
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HOWDIDHEKILLME wrote:Skill tree... I laugh at the skill tree. With a combined sp of over 250 million I can do anything I want. yeah but how much money have you spent? how long have you been playing? not everyone is like that
[OFFICER CADET] Forced Death (Melee) ___
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Aeon Amadi
12
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Posted - 2015.09.04 20:04:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Ripley Riley wrote:ISK efficiency only motivates certain players. Many players just don't want to get spanked. Some people just hate losing. It doesn't matter if ISK exists or not.
Remove ISK and you remove one of the few things that makes Dust different from other FPS: asset loss. Lot of player's know my standpoint on the dogma that is risk/reward and asset loss. I came from Eve Online, so obviously there is a certain bias at hand but I have always had the volition that you should absolutely have to consider the loss of everything in a war-game like Dust 514. The in-game economy is incredibly important to me, however little of an economy it may be, and I've always held the stand-point that if it is free, it should come at some sort of cost, performance or otherwise. It pains me to see so many players running around with APEX and BPO suits and even more so to watch the escalation from Militia BPOs, which do have a performance loss, to Standard BPOs, and now APEXs. I understand that it is a necessary evil, however. I don't like it. Never have. I know a lot of players will contest me on that and say they just want to have fun, and that is fine. However I think a big contributing factor to what made Dust 514 as niche as it is -was- that consideration of value. That emphatic feeling of "Hah! I killed an officer suit using only standard gear!". That feeling, however, is de-valued whenever the gear being run is free (Militia, Standard, APEX) or too plentiful (officer). I am passionate about this sort of thing and I think that sort of makes me a minority among the community, perhaps even the CPM, and I've made my standpoint on that very... very clear. Despite bpos becoming more powerful and ISK accumulation being stupidly easy after trading and FW buffs people still refuse to fight. It defies logic for me that so many people turn on an FPS and don't want to play war.
Human beings are funny, honestly. One of the most powerful treaments for migraine headaches is BC Powder, but many people will simply choose not to use it because "it tastes bad". Hours of pain is preferable to thirty seconds of bad taste.
Current CPM Projects:
Assisting Kevall Longstride with NPE Hashing
FW Hashing
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HOWDIDHEKILLME
Dying to Reload
792
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Posted - 2015.09.05 02:48:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Ripley Riley wrote:ISK efficiency only motivates certain players. Many players just don't want to get spanked. Some people just hate losing. It doesn't matter if ISK exists or not.
Remove ISK and you remove one of the few things that makes Dust different from other FPS: asset loss. Lot of player's know my standpoint on the dogma that is risk/reward and asset loss. I came from Eve Online, so obviously there is a certain bias at hand but I have always had the volition that you should absolutely have to consider the loss of everything in a war-game like Dust 514. The in-game economy is incredibly important to me, however little of an economy it may be, and I've always held the stand-point that if it is free, it should come at some sort of cost, performance or otherwise. It pains me to see so many players running around with APEX and BPO suits and even more so to watch the escalation from Militia BPOs, which do have a performance loss, to Standard BPOs, and now APEXs. I understand that it is a necessary evil, however. I don't like it. Never have. I know a lot of players will contest me on that and say they just want to have fun, and that is fine. However I think a big contributing factor to what made Dust 514 as niche as it is -was- that consideration of value. That emphatic feeling of "Hah! I killed an officer suit using only standard gear!". That feeling, however, is de-valued whenever the gear being run is free (Militia, Standard, APEX) or too plentiful (officer). I am passionate about this sort of thing and I think that sort of makes me a minority among the community, perhaps even the CPM, and I've made my standpoint on that very... very clear.
So what about removing squads from pubs (PUBS !) so pub stomping is near impossible.... It's been a major turnoff for most new players from my experience. |
Mejt0
Made in Poland... E-R-A
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Posted - 2015.09.05 08:57:00 -
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You can stomp in pubs solo, juts not as effectively. I'd say remove squads from Ambush (that should be done ages ago) and maybe from Dom/Acq.
Modern society is lacking in empathy
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deezy dabest
IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP Evil Syndicate Alliance.
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Posted - 2015.09.05 09:04:00 -
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Mejt0 wrote:You can stomp in pubs solo, juts not as effectively. I'd say remove squads from Ambush (that should be done ages ago) and maybe from Dom/Acq.
Squads are the foundation that keeps Dust alive. Without that early introduction of the social aspects to get you locked in by making you a few friends many of the supporting base in this game would be long gone.
Squads are not going anywhere in any game mode because of this.
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Sequal's Back
Dead Man's Game
1
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Posted - 2015.09.05 09:55:00 -
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Removing ISK? No. Increasing the amount of ISKs earn in a match DRASTICALLY (*3 or *4) ? YES!
Bring your daughter... TO THE SLAUGHTER !
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The Eristic
Hostile Takeovers
1
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Posted - 2015.09.05 10:00:00 -
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Would've quit long ago. Adds so much to the game for me. I really wish they hadn't lowered the cost of high end gear, personally, but it's too late at this point.
Recruiting PC mercs!
Pub chat: Blatant Hostility
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LHughes
AFK Untill PS4
433
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Posted - 2015.09.05 12:37:00 -
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HOWDIDHEKILLME wrote:Skill tree... I laugh at the skill tree. With a combined sp of over 250 million I can do anything I want. They brought a tank out? Two seconds while I log in to my tank alt.
I've got 99mill SP, anything over 60 is irrelevant/not substantial.
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LHughes
AFK Untill PS4
433
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Posted - 2015.09.05 12:40:00 -
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deezy dabest wrote:Mejt0 wrote:You can stomp in pubs solo, juts not as effectively. I'd say remove squads from Ambush (that should be done ages ago) and maybe from Dom/Acq. Squads are the foundation that keeps Dust alive. Without that early introduction of the social aspects to get you locked in by making you a few friends many of the supporting base in this game would be long gone. Squads are not going anywhere in any game mode because of this.
FW
I know alot of people that solo pubs like me and would love even just one gameode without squads.
Although it is funny to see full squads still do crap despite having green berry support lol
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Regnier Feros
Pielords
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Posted - 2015.09.05 12:45:00 -
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LHughes wrote:deezy dabest wrote:Mejt0 wrote:You can stomp in pubs solo, juts not as effectively. I'd say remove squads from Ambush (that should be done ages ago) and maybe from Dom/Acq. Squads are the foundation that keeps Dust alive. Without that early introduction of the social aspects to get you locked in by making you a few friends many of the supporting base in this game would be long gone. Squads are not going anywhere in any game mode because of this. FW I know alot of people that solo pubs like me and would love even just one gameode without squads. Although it is funny to see full squads still do crap despite having green berry support lol
My arms are tired :(
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Mejt0
Made in Poland... E-R-A
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Posted - 2015.09.05 14:23:00 -
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deezy dabest wrote:Mejt0 wrote:You can stomp in pubs solo, juts not as effectively. I'd say remove squads from Ambush (that should be done ages ago) and maybe from Dom/Acq. Squads are the foundation that keeps Dust alive. Without that early introduction of the social aspects to get you locked in by making you a few friends many of the supporting base in this game would be long gone. Squads are not going anywhere in any game mode because of this. Maybe we should give 16man squads in pubs. Cuz why not, yes? More "friends"
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HOLY PERFECTION
FINAL TRIBULATION
118
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Posted - 2015.09.05 16:53:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:ISK efficiency only motivates certain players. Many players just don't want to get spanked. Some people just hate losing. It doesn't matter if ISK exists or not.
Remove ISK and you remove one of the few things that makes Dust different from other FPS: asset loss. Asset loss = players pissed off = leave and never return = no more dust. So that's why Black Ops2 do is doing so well.
**Wise people learn from their mistakes, the wisest person learns from others mistakes. Unfortunately i am too hard head
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HOWDIDHEKILLME
Dying to Reload
793
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Posted - 2015.09.05 17:31:00 -
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Agreed... The black ops franchise does very well and assets are not lost in that game. |
HOWDIDHEKILLME
Dying to Reload
793
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Posted - 2015.09.05 17:37:00 -
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LHughes wrote:HOWDIDHEKILLME wrote:Skill tree... I laugh at the skill tree. With a combined sp of over 250 million I can do anything I want. They brought a tank out? Two seconds while I log in to my tank alt. I've got 99mill SP, anything over 60 is irrelevant/not substantial.
Closing on 150 mil on my main... There is a counter to anything but skill level. I never have to switch, but when you hit the weekly cap and all missions are done I do. |
HOWDIDHEKILLME
Dying to Reload
793
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Posted - 2015.09.05 17:40:00 -
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Mejt0 wrote:You can stomp in pubs solo, juts not as effectively. I'd say remove squads from Ambush (that should be done ages ago) and maybe from Dom/Acq.
Well as a vet help to advocate it. |
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