DUST Search - CPM Feedback request: ADS/Swarms

Derrith Erador wrote:

Zan Azikuchi wrote:

Actually just yesterday I was trying to kill an ADS with proto swarms, cut his shields, he kicked em back in with mods and took me out, he practically faced me head on, which is rare in a dropship pilot.

Only proto swarms are actually capable of getting missiles out to hit the target, all other swarms are trash, so perhaps we need to look at lock-on time and have, from basic to proto, the same lock on time. Any nerfing to SL's will only lead to them to become worthless in both against dropships in general and tank's. Impact force, sure i'll lose that, but don't do damage/range, or lock on.

If you want to make changes to the Assault, turn into a PLC with 4 shot's, low damage radius vs infantry, high direct damage, and low radius.

I have the strangest feeling you're talking about me, as I seem to remember fighting you and God knows what other AV out there.

Anyways, I do agree that damage shouldn't be messed with (well, maybe not), range not so much. I posted a reply around maybe page 2 of this thread which will state why. But the main problem behind swarms is the fact that there is no effort from the player to actually get a hit on a tank or ADS. A lone swarmer is alright, but when you don't even have to maintain a lock to get a hit, it makes it an easy mode weapon that anyone can use and abuse. And as a long time pilot, I can attest that they do.

When there is light, shadow's lurk and fear reign's... Yet by the blade of knight's, mankind, was given hope.


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Zan Azikuchi G.R.A.V.E The Ditanian Alliance 257	Posted - 2015.09.22 20:55:00 - [1] - Quote Talos Vagheitan wrote: There's a lot lot consider here. Firstly, It might be premature to re-balance swarms to ADS' before dropship tiers are in place. Secondly, I'm not sure I even agree there is an imbalance in the first place. If we are strictly talking about swarms, then here's the situation: One proto swarm: ADS has enough time if he doesn't miss to kill the AV'er, if not, forced to retreat Multiple swarms in the area: Capable of destroying an ADS, usually a deterrent to keep ADS away. ^ that sounds good good me. I do not want to nerf swarms to the point where an ADS can shrug off and disregard a single swarm user. I also don't want swarm users to be forced to work in pairs. The real "problem" I think with the swarms are their ease of use. Simple lock and fire with a 99% chance to hit VS. A highly specialized dropship which requires skill and practice to operate. Instead of an outright nerf, I wouldn't mind seeing something like a smart fire/dumb fire mechanic, where a player could either instantly hard fire, or suffer a longer lock on time than current for the lock fire. Then swarms would be just as effective, but require more skill to use. Actually just yesterday I was trying to kill an ADS with proto swarms, cut his shields, he kicked em back in with mods and took me out, he practically faced me head on, which is rare in a dropship pilot. Only proto swarms are actually capable of getting missiles out to hit the target, all other swarms are trash, so perhaps we need to look at lock-on time and have, from basic to proto, the same lock on time. Any nerfing to SL's will only lead to them to become worthless in both against dropships in general and tank's. Impact force, sure i'll lose that, but don't do damage/range, or lock on. If you want to make changes to the Assault, turn into a PLC with 4 shot's, low damage radius vs infantry, high direct damage, and low radius. When there is light, shadow's lurk and fear reign's... Yet by the blade of knight's, mankind, was given hope.
Zan Azikuchi G.R.A.V.E The Ditanian Alliance 257	Posted - 2015.09.23 12:48:00 - [2] - Quote Derrith Erador wrote: Zan Azikuchi wrote: Actually just yesterday I was trying to kill an ADS with proto swarms, cut his shields, he kicked em back in with mods and took me out, he practically faced me head on, which is rare in a dropship pilot. Only proto swarms are actually capable of getting missiles out to hit the target, all other swarms are trash, so perhaps we need to look at lock-on time and have, from basic to proto, the same lock on time. Any nerfing to SL's will only lead to them to become worthless in both against dropships in general and tank's. Impact force, sure i'll lose that, but don't do damage/range, or lock on. If you want to make changes to the Assault, turn into a PLC with 4 shot's, low damage radius vs infantry, high direct damage, and low radius. I have the strangest feeling you're talking about me, as I seem to remember fighting you and God knows what other AV out there. Anyways, I do agree that damage shouldn't be messed with (well, maybe not), range not so much. I posted a reply around maybe page 2 of this thread which will state why. But the main problem behind swarms is the fact that there is no effort from the player to actually get a hit on a tank or ADS. A lone swarmer is alright, but when you don't even have to maintain a lock to get a hit, it makes it an easy mode weapon that anyone can use and abuse. And as a long time pilot, I can attest that they do. I was actually, personally I kind of feel that even with damage mod's, vs dropships, the swarms are underwhelming unless the pilot is a complete doof, case and point when Derrith (GJ btw very well done) took me head on, while I used my calmando with proto swarms and 3 complex light damage mods, suffice to say.... I lost. Against tank's their adequate, the same rule applies as before, a competent pilot/driver will always out power the opposition in a 1 on 1 fight with AV, provided their at an angle that can hit you from. When there is light, shadow's lurk and fear reign's... Yet by the blade of knight's, mankind, was given hope.
Zan Azikuchi G.R.A.V.E The Ditanian Alliance 257	Posted - 2015.09.23 13:24:00 - [3] - Quote Nah Shinobi, he was solo, saw him myself, I was on the pipe's, he was wrecking house on my boy's, I shot him, he shot back, he won. Not much to it. If there were more swarm's it'd be a different story altogether. Also, no I wasn't getting shot by anyone else, not even a sniper, which is rare on the L pipe map. When there is light, shadow's lurk and fear reign's... Yet by the blade of knight's, mankind, was given hope.