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Vulpes Dolosus
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2015.08.28 12:44:00 -
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Hello aspiring and veteran pilots alike!
I've created this post and the chat channel 'Winged Mercs' as a place where dropship pilots can come and learn how to fly, help other pilots, and politely discuss all things dropship related.
A bit about me: I have been a pilot since Uprising 1.3, and since then I have participated in numerous PCs, both for my corporation and ringing, I have experience with all dropships, and arguably most impressive, I have managed to net over 250m ISK while flying.
This post will become an archive of tips and guides I will try to manage and organize. Feel free to ask any specific question and I'll do my best to answer, as well as list any useful guides, videos, graphics, etc that you think will help other pilots.
Winged Mercs cc will be dedicated as an in-game general discussion, hang-out, and help chat. I would like to squad up with new pilots to help with flying technique, including renting out ADSs, with the only requirements being that you're respectful and teachable AND HAVE A MIC. I will help with anything from basics of flying and landing to ADS combat maneuvers.
I'm sort of new to this guide-thing so I hope we can all work together to benefit flying in Dust 514.
Fly safe everyone. o7
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Vulpes Dolosus
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
3
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Posted - 2015.08.28 12:44:00 -
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Reserved
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Vulpes Dolosus
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
3
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Posted - 2015.08.28 12:45:00 -
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Mad Kras
407
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Posted - 2015.08.28 13:03:00 -
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Sorry for this of topic reply but you could also make a post in the locker room for Dropships or vechicles in general, something like "The Bastion" for sentinels or "The Barbershop" for scouts
Slowly travelling back to MH
Find your new home
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Vulpes Dolosus
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
3
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Posted - 2015.08.28 13:05:00 -
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Mad Kras wrote:Sorry for this of topic reply but you could also make a post in the locker room for Dropships or vechicles in general, something like "The Bastion" for sentinels or "The Barbershop" for scouts In time, I hope to get the flight school 'off the ground' (pun heavily intended) first and maybe try and build some sort of pilot community before doing something like that.
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jordy mack
WarRavens Imperium Eden
722
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Posted - 2015.09.04 00:53:00 -
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cool, ill drop by later...
but we dont really have wings do we?
Less QQ more PewPew
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Vulpes Dolosus
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2015.09.04 05:38:00 -
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jordy mack wrote:cool, ill drop by later...
but we dont really have wings do we? Sure. My schedule is a bit wacky since school has started, but if I'm on hit me up with questions or squad invites and I'll be happy to help.
And we soar on the wings of nanites.
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Vulpes Dolosus
Fatal Absolution
3
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Posted - 2015.09.09 15:18:00 -
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Added:
-Starter Skill Plan
-Popular Fits
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Lanius Pulvis
Evzones
367
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Posted - 2015.09.10 21:57:00 -
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Hope this takes off (pun intended), I've added your chat, hopefully more pilots will too.
I've been away a year, with brief logins, what the heck happened with Judge?
Not new, just new to you.
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Vulpes Dolosus
Fatal Absolution
3
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Posted - 2015.09.11 02:53:00 -
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Lanius Pulvis wrote:Hope this takes off (pun intended), I've added your chat, hopefully more pilots will too.
I've been away a year, with brief logins, what the heck happened with Judge? Thanks! If you ever see me on I'll be more than willing to help out, answer questions, etc. I'm isually on about 00:00 Eve time (0800 PM EST).
Judge was a member of CPM0 (iirc) and basically just walked away, so he was kicked from his position.
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Private Part's
Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic
65
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Posted - 2015.09.13 19:00:00 -
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I have some questions
1. how would one go about improving there gun game with an ADS?
2. when do you prefer to use first and third person view?
3. what would you rate the weapons you can load on it and why? |
Vulpes Dolosus
Fatal Absolution
3
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Posted - 2015.09.13 21:37:00 -
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Private Part's wrote:I have some questions
1. how would one go about improving there gun game with an ADS?
2. when do you prefer to use first and third person view?
3. what would you rate the weapons you can load on it and why? 1) Practice practice practice practice practice. After that more practice. When I started out, I liked to stay in the redline and pick a land feature or spot in a city and shoot at it. I'd simulate coming from different angles, different altitudes, orbiting, etc.
2) Depends on the situation, but usually 3rd. When assaulting the ground and for general flying I like 3rd because of the wide angle you get; it's easier to see targets and hazards. The ship does get in the way a bit but the passive scan chevron is usually visible, so I just aim a little below that. I use 1st person when doing anti-air fighting, especially with the Incubus, but sometimes it's necessary to toggle between the two.
As an aside, a lot of pilots want to be able to move the first person camera to look down and shoot people. I'm personally against this for various reasons.
3) I assume you mean turrets. On a Python you should always use missiles. Incubus can use missiles or rails, depending on if you want to kill infantry or vehicles. Blasters are bad on dropships because they need to be in close, which brings a dropship close to the ground and enemy fire. Side gunners should always use missiles because it's much easier to hit targets (unless you're just shooting vehicles, then rails are fine), but be careful that they dont hit the sides of the ship because the splash will kill them. Rails have fickle hit detection which is compounded with every little movement the dropship makes (eg when trying to keep still).
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xavier zor
InTheDark
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Posted - 2015.09.14 04:26:00 -
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i'll take a look around. I dropped a shite-ton of SP into pythons, stocked up 36 million worth of them.....ima 'git gud' ADS'ing eventually!!!
sLaYeR
unicus peritia, salvus perveniet elite InTheDark
InTheDark doesn't need you!
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Lanius Pulvis
Evzones
368
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Posted - 2015.09.17 15:25:00 -
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Vulpes Dolosus wrote:Lanius Pulvis wrote:Hope this takes off (pun intended), I've added your chat, hopefully more pilots will too.
I've been away a year, with brief logins, what the heck happened with Judge? Thanks! If you ever see me on I'll be more than willing to help out, answer questions, etc. I'm isually on about 00:00 Eve time (0800 PM EST). Judge was a member of CPM0 (iirc) and basically just walked away, so he was kicked from his position.
That's unfortunate about Judge, but real life does have a tendency to interfere, especially a managerial position like he held. Real life kept me mostly out of the game for the past year too, so I can't judge (no pun intended).
But I digress, are Incubi still the, well I guess Flavor Of The Month is an understatement, let's just go with Flavor of the Year. When I left, current TTP and weapon/tank balance made the Python only really usable against vehicles.
Do HAVs still provide area denial for an entire map, or can you survive long enough to maneuver if you're skilled?
It's a shame 1st Airborne is locked now, that's where I hung out the most, are there any channels up that are pilot heavy?
Not new, just new to you.
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Lanius Pulvis
Evzones
369
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Posted - 2015.09.17 15:33:00 -
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Vulpes Dolosus wrote:Private Part's wrote:I have some questions
1. how would one go about improving there gun game with an ADS?
2. when do you prefer to use first and third person view?
3. what would you rate the weapons you can load on it and why? 1) Practice practice practice practice practice. After that more practice. When I started out, I liked to stay in the redline and pick a land feature or spot in a city and shoot at it. I'd simulate coming from different angles, different altitudes, orbiting, etc. 2) Depends on the situation, but usually 3rd. When assaulting the ground and for general flying I like 3rd because of the wide angle you get; it's easier to see targets and hazards. The ship does get in the way a bit but the passive scan chevron is usually visible, so I just aim a little below that. I use 1st person when doing anti-air fighting, especially with the Incubus, but sometimes it's necessary to toggle between the two. As an aside, a lot of pilots want to be able to move the first person camera to look down and shoot people. I'm personally against this for various reasons. 3) I assume you mean turrets. On a Python you should always use missiles. Incubus can use missiles or rails, depending on if you want to kill infantry or vehicles. Blasters are bad on dropships because they need to be in close, which brings a dropship close to the ground and enemy fire. Side gunners should always use missiles because it's much easier to hit targets (unless you're just shooting vehicles, then rails are fine), but be careful that they dont hit the sides of the ship because the splash will kill them. Rails have fickle hit detection which is compounded with every little movement the dropship makes (eg when trying to keep still).
Just an addendum, one of the hardest things for me when I learned was the transition from redline practice to a two way live fire range. I would recommend, if you know there are plenty of FG and/or SL on the map, put away your ADS and pull out a DS and practice flying as if it were an ADS. That way you can get a feel for how the strikes from those weapons affect your stability and on-station time.
Not new, just new to you.
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Vulpes Dolosus
Fatal Absolution
3
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Posted - 2015.09.17 15:46:00 -
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Lanius Pulvis wrote:Vulpes Dolosus wrote:Lanius Pulvis wrote:Hope this takes off (pun intended), I've added your chat, hopefully more pilots will too.
I've been away a year, with brief logins, what the heck happened with Judge? Thanks! If you ever see me on I'll be more than willing to help out, answer questions, etc. I'm isually on about 00:00 Eve time (0800 PM EST). Judge was a member of CPM0 (iirc) and basically just walked away, so he was kicked from his position. That's unfortunate about Judge, but real life does have a tendency to interfere, especially a managerial position like he held. Real life kept me mostly out of the game for the past year too, so I can't judge (no pun intended). But I digress, are Incubi still the, well I guess Flavor Of The Month is an understatement, let's just go with Flavor of the Year. When I left, current TTP and weapon/tank balance made the Python only really usable against vehicles. Do HAVs still provide area denial for an entire map, or can you survive long enough to maneuver if you're skilled? It's a shame 1st Airborne is locked now, that's where I hung out the most, are there any channels up that are pilot heavy? Large rails got a range Nerf to about 250m iirc, so on larger maps they aren't much of a problem compared to what they were.
Idk what you mean by the Python/Incubus comment, perhaps you mixed them up? Python is the shield and Incubus is armor. Python still has the missile rof bonus, though it got a serious Nerf (same with the Incubus and rails). Both are just as sturdy in the face of AV if fitted right, so it's really just personal preference (I feel the Python flys better, though I use a rail incubus for AV).
I don't know of any, which is why I'm tying to get my channel up and running.
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Derrith Erador
Fatal Absolution
3
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Posted - 2015.09.20 08:57:00 -
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Vulpes Dolosus wrote:Mad Kras wrote:Sorry for this of topic reply but you could also make a post in the locker room for Dropships or vechicles in general, something like "The Bastion" for sentinels or "The Barbershop" for scouts In time, I hope to get the flight school 'off the ground' (pun heavily intended) first and maybe try and build some sort of pilot community before doing something like that. Call it "The Landing Pad". Also dropping in to see your guide, and.... shameless advertising!
99% of what Derrith says is stupidity. -D3lta Blitzkrieg
Oh yeah?! Well, I love redheads.
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Vulpes Dolosus
Fatal Absolution
3
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Posted - 2015.09.20 10:36:00 -
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Derrith Erador wrote:Vulpes Dolosus wrote:Mad Kras wrote:Sorry for this of topic reply but you could also make a post in the locker room for Dropships or vechicles in general, something like "The Bastion" for sentinels or "The Barbershop" for scouts In time, I hope to get the flight school 'off the ground' (pun heavily intended) first and maybe try and build some sort of pilot community before doing something like that. Call it "The Landing Pad". Also dropping in to see your guide, and.... shameless advertising! Thanks! It would probably be better if I leave that sort of thing to someone more socially apt.
I was going to say I wish I saw your guide sooner, then I saw I was the first replier... Guess my memory is a bit rusty.
I'll link your guide in here and continue to add my own thoughts and experiences. Feel free to follow and add your advice and corrections to whatever I or others may write.
Dust is there! I was real!
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DustPllayer
Eternal Beings
50
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Posted - 2015.09.21 07:43:00 -
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But what if we want to be pilots and can't afford a mic...
Dust Player has left the battle.
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Vulpes Dolosus
Fatal Absolution
3
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Posted - 2015.09.21 14:12:00 -
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DustPllayer wrote:But what if we want to be pilots and can't afford a mic... You can still be a pilot, I just won't me much help in game. One-on-one help requires real time corrections, using a lot more words than would feasible in a text box. Not to mention you shouldn't open chat while flying, and landing every time to read would not be very practical either. Essentially, it's just a hassle.
You can still be a good pilot. I taught myself how to fly with much less than the resources I've listed above. It takes some time, patience, and isk, but it can be done and has been done my many others. I'm just here as a resource to other prospective pilots.
I will say that I highly suggest buying mic, even a cheeper one. The social aspect of Dust is one of it's best features and opens many more fun opportunities.
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Derrith Erador
Fatal Absolution
3
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Posted - 2015.09.21 21:39:00 -
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Vulpes Dolosus wrote:Derrith Erador wrote:Vulpes Dolosus wrote:Mad Kras wrote:Sorry for this of topic reply but you could also make a post in the locker room for Dropships or vechicles in general, something like "The Bastion" for sentinels or "The Barbershop" for scouts In time, I hope to get the flight school 'off the ground' (pun heavily intended) first and maybe try and build some sort of pilot community before doing something like that. Call it "The Landing Pad". Also dropping in to see your guide, and.... shameless advertising! Thanks! It would probably be better if I leave that sort of thing to someone more socially apt. I was going to say I wish I saw your guide sooner, then I saw I was the first replier... Guess my memory is a bit rusty. I'll link your guide in here and continue to add my own thoughts and experiences. Feel free to follow and add your advice and corrections to whatever I or others may write. You may want to add in these notes seeing as it got locked and I can't edit:
Precision fits no longer work.
Equipping a long range weapon still helps with rendering, so do it.
Add in the best fit I use is the HMS Betty White 1 complex hardener 1 enhanced heavy extender 1 complex light shield booster 1 complex PG upgrade 1 xt missile
99% of what Derrith says is stupidity. -D3lta Blitzkrieg
Oh yeah?! Well, I love redheads.
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Vulpes Dolosus
Fatal Absolution
3
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Posted - 2015.09.22 00:07:00 -
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I'll have to personally test some of those.
-What do you mean precision fits?
-I've heard that isn't the case but I'll give it another look next time I play.
-I'm very biased against any non-AB fitted fit, but I'll give that one a try. Seems pretty tanky, but the AB avoiding damage should be the main tank of any DS, imo.
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Derrith Erador
Fatal Absolution
3
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Posted - 2015.09.22 00:19:00 -
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Vulpes Dolosus wrote:I'll have to personally test some of those.
-What do you mean precision fits?
-I've heard that isn't the case but I'll give it another look next time I play.
-I'm very biased against any non-AB fitted fit, but I'll give that one a try. Seems pretty tanky, but the AB avoiding damage should be the main tank of any DS, imo. By precision fits, I mean ones that can passively pick up damped soldiers. I've tested them, they don't work anymore to my knowledge.
I personally have noticed it.
And the fit I gave you is mainly useful against swarm launchers. In most scenarios where an ADS is useful, it is counterproductive to spend so much time dodging swarms, so may as well tank it and kill him and hopefully friends he brought. And knowing swarms, that's going to happen.
99% of what Derrith says is stupidity. -D3lta Blitzkrieg
Oh yeah?! Well, I love redheads.
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Vulpes Dolosus
Fatal Absolution
3
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Posted - 2015.09.22 01:29:00 -
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Derrith Erador wrote:Vulpes Dolosus wrote:I'll have to personally test some of those.
-What do you mean precision fits?
-I've heard that isn't the case but I'll give it another look next time I play.
-I'm very biased against any non-AB fitted fit, but I'll give that one a try. Seems pretty tanky, but the AB avoiding damage should be the main tank of any DS, imo. By precision fits, I mean ones that can passively pick up damped soldiers. I've tested them, they don't work anymore to my knowledge. I personally have noticed it. And the fit I gave you is mainly useful against swarm launchers. In most scenarios where an ADS is useful, it is counterproductive to spend so much time dodging swarms, so may as well tank it and kill him and hopefully friends he brought. And knowing swarms, that's going to happen. Interesting. I've always wanted to try and devise some multiple ADS tactics with other pilots. If you're interested, we should try and develop formations and maneuvers sometime.
One thing as was thinking of with that fit you suggested and have it be a "bait" fit to id AV locations then have the other ADS swoop in and take them out.
Just a thought.
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Derrith Erador
Fatal Absolution
3
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Posted - 2015.09.22 04:15:00 -
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Vulpes Dolosus wrote:Derrith Erador wrote:Vulpes Dolosus wrote:I'll have to personally test some of those.
-What do you mean precision fits?
-I've heard that isn't the case but I'll give it another look next time I play.
-I'm very biased against any non-AB fitted fit, but I'll give that one a try. Seems pretty tanky, but the AB avoiding damage should be the main tank of any DS, imo. By precision fits, I mean ones that can passively pick up damped soldiers. I've tested them, they don't work anymore to my knowledge. I personally have noticed it. And the fit I gave you is mainly useful against swarm launchers. In most scenarios where an ADS is useful, it is counterproductive to spend so much time dodging swarms, so may as well tank it and kill him and hopefully friends he brought. And knowing swarms, that's going to happen. Interesting. I've always wanted to try and devise some multiple ADS tactics with other pilots. If you're interested, we should try and develop formations and maneuvers sometime. One thing as was thinking of with that fit you suggested and have it be a "bait" fit to id AV locations then have the other ADS swoop in and take them out. Just a thought. Actually, I used to do that a lot back when there were more of us floating about. Most of the good ones are gone, but I still run a good strategy of my own.
Basically I'm the buffer, I distract AV while another ADS swoops in as the speed. Sort of a shock troop tactic, seeing as in most PCs I play in I get only one wingman, if any at all.
Nowadays the pilot world is fend for yourself, but it'd be nice to employ and devise new ADS tactics.
99% of what Derrith says is stupidity. -D3lta Blitzkrieg
Oh yeah?! Well, I love redheads.
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Shamarskii Simon
The Hundred Acre Hood
414
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Posted - 2015.10.10 18:52:00 -
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You sir, will save tons of new ADS pilots.
Forever ADS. Best role.
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Derrith Erador
Fatal Absolution
3
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Posted - 2015.10.29 00:38:00 -
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Bump. I think it's high time we get the "Danger Zone" pilot list going.
99% of what Derrith says is stupidity. -D3lta Blitzkrieg
I like whales
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haerr
Dead Man's Game
3
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Posted - 2015.10.29 16:37:00 -
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Any thoughts on a control scheme that would allow free/unlocked aim for the primary turret on adses? (shameless link to thread in the feedback section LINK) |
Vulpes Dolosus
Fatal Absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
3
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Posted - 2015.10.30 15:31:00 -
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haerr wrote:Any thoughts on a control scheme that would allow free/unlocked aim for the primary turret on adses? (shameless link to thread in the feedback section LINK) I personally don't support the "free" primary turret idea, at least in first person mode. I'm perfectly content with the way things are and I think it's the optimal set up in general.
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haerr
Dead Man's Game
3
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Posted - 2015.10.31 13:59:00 -
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Vulpes Dolosus wrote:haerr wrote:Any thoughts on a control scheme that would allow free/unlocked aim for the primary turret on adses? (shameless link to thread in the feedback section LINK) I personally don't support the "free" primary turret idea, at least in first person mode. I'm perfectly content with the way things are and I think it's the optimal set up in general.
To me RS free aim is mostly about improving the blasterbus without upsetting balance elsewhere, and offering an alternative control scheme for those who want it seems to be as low hanging as possible as far as improvements go. |
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