DUST Search - CCP and Disgruntled Player Base

Leither Yiltron wrote:

Kodho wrote:

Leither Yiltron wrote:

Kodho wrote:

I, like most of the other players are growing increasingly frustrated with Dust514. It seems that we are constantly having issues with...lack of information regarding the direction of the game.

Not to excuse CCP, but it has been less than a month since Rat was posting extremely regularly. Your use of second-person pronouns is both ineffective and frankly condescending. You speak for yourself. There are a few characters on the forums with a bunch of "we feel X" type posts- just stop.

As I look down the message board, I don't really see anything but complaints and post that directly express frustration with the current status of the game. These issues have been ongoing long before Rattati went on vacation. It just so happens that they have reached a peak during his time away.

You obviously are fine with the current state of affairs. That's your opinion and you are most definitely entitled to it just as I'm entitled to mine.

Everybody's entitled to their opinion, and to expressing their opinion within the forum rules (no matter how exaggerated and alarmist it may be). The holier-than-thou "We are X" phrasing, though? I mean you're entitled to it, but I'll virtually guarantee it cuts little ice with the devs and certainly sets you up at the outset for sub-optimal thread quality.

It's hardly worth my time to sit here and say that whatever tripe you've cooked isn't broadly representative of anybody's except your opinion because that's obvious to anyone with two brain cells to rub together. Furthermore, your audience here on the forums constitutes both developers and players. Your original post is written in a way that implies you're directing the comment exclusively to developers. The kind of response I'm now delivering is a consequence of that oversight.

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Kodho Nos Nothi 260	Posted - 2015.08.24 19:15:00 - [1] - Quote I, like most of the other players are growing increasingly frustrated with Dust514. It seems that we are constantly having issues with servers, lag and lack of information regarding the direction of the game. I have been playing Dust514 for well over two years. I can state with high level of confidence that we are at the lowest point of player satisfaction in the history of this game. Now, that being said, I will continue to play until it is no longer playable. This is the only game I play. However, I'm extremely concerned that we will continue to have players leave the game and never return because of the issues stated above. The player base is the future of this game. Without it, there will be no more Dust514. Most of us believe you are working hard to fix these issues. Unfortunately, we feel we are left out in the cold due to lack of information in regards to current and developmental issues. The longer we are left wondering what the future holds, the more players will move on to other games. Thus, guaranteeing a collapse of the player base and the shuttering of the game we love. I beg you to keep us more up to date on what is going on for both the short term and long term. It will allow us to not only provide critical input, but also stabalize the player base so we can begin to grow the game. Long Live the Scout! Kodho
Devadander Woodgrain Atari 578	Posted - 2015.08.24 19:23:00 - [2] - Quote It's little things like the opening screen. I'm torn. Splash still says CPM incoming. Being outdated makes people wonder. But obviously I'd rather they spend the manhours doing things like making sure we can even play. Honestly, want a better dust experience? Buy a 20$ aur and live a little. Buy a skin and some boosters, maybe a key. Now more than ever, if the aur dries up, dust dies. Gêå You want a toe? I can get you a toe dude. Gêå Joined - 06-28-12 ~Deal with it~
Leither Yiltron 0uter.Heaven 1	Posted - 2015.08.24 19:33:00 - [3] - Quote Kodho wrote: I, like most of the other players are growing increasingly frustrated with Dust514. It seems that we are constantly having issues with...lack of information regarding the direction of the game. Not to excuse CCP, but it has been less than a month since Rat was posting extremely regularly. Your use of second-person pronouns is both ineffective and frankly condescending. You speak for yourself. There are a few characters on the forums with a bunch of "we feel X" type posts- just stop. Have a pony
Kodho Nos Nothi 267	Posted - 2015.08.24 19:53:00 - [4] - Quote Leither Yiltron wrote: Kodho wrote: I, like most of the other players are growing increasingly frustrated with Dust514. It seems that we are constantly having issues with...lack of information regarding the direction of the game. Not to excuse CCP, but it has been less than a month since Rat was posting extremely regularly. Your use of second-person pronouns is both ineffective and frankly condescending. You speak for yourself. There are a few characters on the forums with a bunch of "we feel X" type posts- just stop. As I look down the message board, I don't really see anything but complaints and post that directly express frustration with the current status of the game. These issues have been ongoing long before Rattati went on vacation. It just so happens that they have reached a peak during his time away. You obviously you are fine with the current state of affairs. That's your opinion and you are most definitely entitled to it. Long Live the Scout! Kodho
CUSE TOWN333 Ancient Exiles. 3	Posted - 2015.08.24 20:10:00 - [5] - Quote its kind of like that dude that scraps together some pennys the goes to burger king and buys a cheese burger and is disgruntled they put a pickle on it. if you don't like the game you are playing then go out and pay 60$ for a new one. If you run your only going to die tired.
Count- -Crotchula TasteTheTamsen 385	Posted - 2015.08.24 20:14:00 - [6] - Quote it's very laggy but mainly frame rate problems, lots of rubber banding, getting stuck on victory screen, freezing, getting signed out of PSN, internal error, not being able to deploy, getting scottied after 8 minute queues. hit detection issues, YouTube!
Kodho Nos Nothi 270	Posted - 2015.08.24 20:38:00 - [7] - Quote CUSE TOWN333 wrote: its kind of like that dude that scraps together some pennys the goes to burger king and buys a cheese burger and is disgruntled they put a pickle on it. if you don't like the game you are playing then go out and pay 60$ for a new one. You are missing the point. I never said I didn't like the game. I love the game! The point is by keeping players apprised of: (1) Where this game is going (2) Current performance issues and their related fixes These can have a big impact on player satisfaction which should lead to higher player retention and participation. Long Live the Scout! Kodho
Forced Death Corrosive Synergy No Context 1	Posted - 2015.08.24 20:40:00 - [8] - Quote this isnt the lowest point Rouge Wedding is 21.3m SP... yay 20m 23/8/15 three boosters activated 29 days left of passive triple stack boosting
Kodho Nos Nothi 270	Posted - 2015.08.24 20:43:00 - [9] - Quote Forced Death wrote: this isnt the lowest point Rouge Wedding is Ok, good point. What about current player numbers? Does anyone have those? Long Live the Scout! Kodho
CUSE TOWN333 Ancient Exiles. 3	Posted - 2015.08.24 20:44:00 - [10] - Quote i don't think you understand Dust is not the same as other games. it has been buggy from day one and that will not change. ether you accept these flaws and enjoy the good parts of the game or don't. the devs do not have the ability to fix all the flaws so it is what it is. If you run your only going to die tired.

DeadlyAztec11 8	Posted - 2015.08.24 20:45:00 - [11] - Quote I think the point we were most dissatisfied was after Legion was announced. I would argue that people are the most satisfied with game mechanics than at any other time. The issue is a shrinking playerbase and connection issues which contribute to each other. Though, July was probably the most fun I ever had playing Dust 514 since Chromosome. I even decided to finally spend money on this game. That said, only a month later I can't get into any matches with decent connections and I can't get into many matches in general. I'm disgruntled that we have a shrinking playerbase and that the servers seem to be out of it constantly. Though, in the long term I'm bitter that CCP cut most assets from this game, and that their hasn't been an iteration of Dust 514 scheduled for the PS4. Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.
Union118 NON-Fatal Condemnation 694	Posted - 2015.08.24 20:45:00 - [12] - Quote Devadander wrote: It's little things like the opening screen. I'm torn. Splash still says CPM incoming. Being outdated makes people wonder. But obviously I'd rather they spend the manhours doing things like making sure we can even play. Honestly, want a better dust experience? Buy a 20$ aur and live a little. Buy a skin and some boosters, maybe a key. Now more than ever, if the aur dries up, dust dies. Dust isnt worth spending money on it. They lost my support on that long ago. I still play the game so im supporting the player base at the very least. Starter Fit Suits are OP :-)
DeadlyAztec11 8	Posted - 2015.08.24 20:54:00 - [13] - Quote CUSE TOWN333 wrote: i don't think you understand Dust is not the same as other games. it has been buggy from day one and that will not change. ether you accept these flaws and enjoy the good parts of the game or don't. the devs do not have the ability to fix all the flaws so it is what it is. Many of the bugs have been removed. A great portion of ancient glitches and bugs have been specifically removed by Rattati and his team. It's just that at this point maintaing the player base is the number one concern. This game isn't growing as fast as its shrinking. And in the populace it's increasing in there aren't people willing to spend money. The people spending money are on P.C, next gen and the rest are simply a very loyal minority. Dust can't afford to have server breaking issues now. Though, it also doesn't make sense to tell people to suck it up. That line works in EVE because that game is growing at a consistent rate so players willing to spend money increase in population. Dust reached it's critical mass of content long ago. If there are paying players that leave there aren't really people to replace them anymore. Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.
Leither Yiltron 0uter.Heaven 1	Posted - 2015.08.24 21:30:00 - [14] - Quote Kodho wrote: Leither Yiltron wrote: Kodho wrote: I, like most of the other players are growing increasingly frustrated with Dust514. It seems that we are constantly having issues with...lack of information regarding the direction of the game. Not to excuse CCP, but it has been less than a month since Rat was posting extremely regularly. Your use of second-person pronouns is both ineffective and frankly condescending. You speak for yourself. There are a few characters on the forums with a bunch of "we feel X" type posts- just stop. As I look down the message board, I don't really see anything but complaints and post that directly express frustration with the current status of the game. These issues have been ongoing long before Rattati went on vacation. It just so happens that they have reached a peak during his time away. You obviously are fine with the current state of affairs. That's your opinion and you are most definitely entitled to it just as I'm entitled to mine. Everybody's entitled to their opinion, and to expressing their opinion within the forum rules (no matter how exaggerated and alarmist it may be). The holier-than-thou "We are X" phrasing, though? I mean you're entitled to it, but I'll virtually guarantee it cuts little ice with the devs and certainly sets you up at the outset for sub-optimal thread quality. It's hardly worth my time to sit here and say that whatever tripe you've cooked isn't broadly representative of anybody's except your opinion because that's obvious to anyone with two brain cells to rub together. Furthermore, your audience here on the forums constitutes both developers and players. Your original post is written in a way that implies you're directing the comment exclusively to developers. The kind of response I'm now delivering is a consequence of that oversight. Have a pony
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui MeatBag Disposal Service LOGISTICS 2	Posted - 2015.08.24 23:07:00 - [15] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: [quote=CUSE TOWN333] Many of the bugs have been removed. A great portion of ancient glitches and bugs have been specifically removed by Rattati and his team. It's just that at this point maintaing the player base is the number one concern. This game isn't growing as fast as it's shrinking. And in the populace it's increasing in there aren't people willing to spend money. The people spending money are on P.C, next gen and the rest are simply a very loyal minority. Dust can't afford to have server breaking issues now. Though, it also doesn't make sense to tell people to suck it up. That line works in EVE because that game is growing at a consistent rate so players willing to spend money increase in population. Dust reached it's critical mass of content long ago. If there are paying players that leave there aren't really people to replace them anymore. I don't know about the bugs fixes , it seems like they fix them only for them to return in the next patch release and once they return they stay unattended and unchecked , check out Apocalyptic Destroyer's thread of bugs and I believe that those issues for the most part still stand true . Patch release they should do bugs sweeps but that's just my opinion . People always flood the forums after patch releases and many of the issues stem from old problems . Teamwork is really important - said the Tyrannosarus Rex from Kung Fury .
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui MeatBag Disposal Service LOGISTICS 2	Posted - 2015.08.24 23:16:00 - [16] - Quote Leither Yiltron wrote: Kodho wrote: Leither Yiltron wrote: Kodho wrote: I, like most of the other players are growing increasingly frustrated with Dust514. It seems that we are constantly having issues with...lack of information regarding the direction of the game. Not to excuse CCP, but it has been less than a month since Rat was posting extremely regularly. Your use of second-person pronouns is both ineffective and frankly condescending. You speak for yourself. There are a few characters on the forums with a bunch of "we feel X" type posts- just stop. As I look down the message board, I don't really see anything but complaints and post that directly express frustration with the current status of the game. These issues have been ongoing long before Rattati went on vacation. It just so happens that they have reached a peak during his time away. You obviously are fine with the current state of affairs. That's your opinion and you are most definitely entitled to it just as I'm entitled to mine. Everybody's entitled to their opinion, and to expressing their opinion within the forum rules (no matter how exaggerated and alarmist it may be). The holier-than-thou "We are X" phrasing, though? I mean you're entitled to it, but I'll virtually guarantee it cuts little ice with the devs and certainly sets you up at the outset for sub-optimal thread quality. It's hardly worth my time to sit here and say that whatever tripe you've cooked isn't broadly representative of anybody's except your opinion because that's obvious to anyone with two brain cells to rub together. Furthermore, your audience here on the forums constitutes both developers and players. Your original post is written in a way that implies you're directing the comment exclusively to developers. The kind of response I'm now delivering is a consequence of that oversight. In my eyes you guys are bickering over nothing . If you want the same thing and that's the games improvement in performance and numbers , then what's to disagree about .?. how one approaches that goal by said method ? That's just being nit picky and that's just uncalled for . Leither you say that the OP doesn't speak for you and that's fine but there are statements that he has made that can not be refuted , now I believe that we should stop this in house squabbling and come to a collective and begin to fix what's broken and stop these petty issues amongst ourselves . If both of you want the same thing and that's a healthy and thriving game that's Dust 514 , then what's to disagree about ? I believe that WE ALL WANT THAT , now am I wrong for making such a blanket statement as such .?. I just did the same thing that you accused that man of , now you might not agree with his methods but if his intent is in the right place , what's the issue and why go back and forth ? Teamwork is really important - said the Tyrannosarus Rex from Kung Fury .
Kodho Nos Nothi 276	Posted - 2015.08.25 00:07:00 - [17] - Quote Agreed Shinobi. Long Live the Scout! Kodho

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 26	Posted - 2015.08.25 02:45:00 - [18] - Quote We have been having server issues, see Frames announcement, that may have been resolved last night, after some late night heroics by CCP AquarHEAD and the REY ops team. "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

rpastry Dead Man's Game 294	Posted - 2015.08.25 08:05:00 - [19] - Quote As a pre-chromosome beta vet and having spent over -ú100 on this game and ~2+ hours a day for the last couple of years I am enjoying not playing this game at the moment. I'd recommend anyone who is addicted to take a holiday; break the daily treadmill, try other games. Maybe you'll come back maybe you wont, but you'll likely appreciate the time off and be able to recharge your gaming batteries. [Removed ASCII Art - CCP Logibro]
Vicious Minotaur 2	Posted - 2015.08.25 08:20:00 - [20] - Quote Eh... Most of the player base seems more gruntled than anything... Talk about hyperbole. I am a minotaur. a+üa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa+üa¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça+üa+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+üa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa+üa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ë

E-Rock Fatal Absolution 124	Posted - 2015.08.25 10:35:00 - [21] - Quote Kodho wrote: I, like most of the other players are growing increasingly frustrated with Dust514. It seems that we are constantly having issues with servers, lag and lack of information regarding the direction of the game. I have been playing Dust514 for well over two years. I can state with high level of confidence that we are at the lowest point of player satisfaction in the history of this game. Now, that being said, I will continue to play until it is no longer playable. This is the only game I play. However, I'm extremely concerned that we will continue to have players leave the game and never return because of the issues stated above. The player base is the future of this game. Without it, there will be no more Dust514. Most of us believe you are working hard to fix these issues. Unfortunately, we feel we are left out in the cold due to lack of information in regards to current and developmental issues. The longer we are left wondering what the future holds, the more players will move on to other games. Thus, guaranteeing a collapse of the player base and the shuttering of the game we love. I beg you to keep us more up to date on what is going on for both the short term and long term. It will allow us to not only provide critical input, but also stabalize the player base so we can begin to grow the game. patience is a virtue, brah what is a standard BPO? µùÑµ£¼F¬PsñºS+êsñ½ -Founder of the CKC. 50Mil isk application fee -I do it for the laughs
axis alpha Neural Union 876	Posted - 2015.08.25 11:03:00 - [22] - Quote I wouldn't say I'm disgruntled or even fed up with the game. Its been glitchy and wonky from day one and the day we came out of open beta and saw basically the same issues I figured more or less it would always be a wonky game. CCP, if you really want this game to be successful and thrive I say you shut it down in its current state take how ever long it takes to make it what WE all wanted it to be and what You want it to be. Because the game I'm playing now isn't the game I envisioned when I was playing in beta. Well for the most part it is but something's in this game just don't belong but I'll leave that out of this post. I will say this though again. Shut it down, invest your time into it, build up our anticipation and not only us but the players from the past would also come back. Imagine the game with out all the problems and balanced issues. I assure you if you invested the time into this game our wallets would be empty like they were when this game first started. Not to say that you aren't currently investing time. But just rebuilding this from the ground up is the only way I see it surviving. Being on PC or PS4. Neural Union. SoonGäó Start Something Real.
Devadander Woodgrain Atari 596	Posted - 2015.08.26 23:17:00 - [23] - Quote Union118 wrote: Devadander wrote: It's little things like the opening screen. I'm torn. Splash still says CPM incoming. Being outdated makes people wonder. But obviously I'd rather they spend the manhours doing things like making sure we can even play. Honestly, want a better dust experience? Buy a 20$ aur and live a little. Buy a skin and some boosters, maybe a key. Now more than ever, if the aur dries up, dust dies. Dust is free and I wish it was better, but I won't throw a dime at them. They never actually had my support on anything ever. I still play to leech off the actual paying player base at the very least. This **** right here makes me wish you went to my local bars...... Did you even read what you typed? It's OK, I fixed it. Gêå You want a toe? I can get you a toe dude. Gêå Joined - 06-28-12 ~Deal with it~
Cyzad4 Blackfish Corp. 884	Posted - 2015.08.26 23:27:00 - [24] - Quote Vicious Minotaur wrote: Eh... Most of the player base seems more gruntled than anything... Talk about hyperbole. We've always been rather adept at gruntling if nothing else. Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair.
Union118 NON-Fatal Condemnation 706	Posted - 2015.08.27 01:57:00 - [25] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: We have been having server issues, see Frames announcement, that may have been resolved last night, after some late night heroics by CCP AquarHEAD and the REY ops team. We have, at the same time, during summer vacation been having a bounce back in pcu so I think we are doing quite ok. Fisters Unite! Lol Starter Fit Suits are OP :-)
Jacques Cayton II Eternal Beings Smart Deploy 1	Posted - 2015.08.27 02:19:00 - [26] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: We have been having server issues, see Frames announcement, that may have been resolved last night, after some late night heroics by CCP AquarHEAD and the REY ops team. We have, at the same time, during summer vacation been having a bounce back in pcu so I think we are doing quite ok. Lol ways a summer vacation I hadn't had one since I was in college We fight for the future of the State not our personal goals
howard sanchez Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 1	Posted - 2015.08.27 02:28:00 - [27] - Quote Union118 wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: We have been having server issues, see Frames announcement, that may have been resolved last night, after some late night heroics by CCP AquarHEAD and the REY ops team. We have, at the same time, during summer vacation been having a bounce back in pcu so I think we are doing quite ok. Fisters Unite! Lol The whole VF thing...my part in it anyway, was my meager attempt at moving the pcu in a positive direction. And, for a while there, I thought it might work. But the server issues killed the momentum more than any of the typical drama-lamas. I would try that or something like it...an effort by the playerbase to get more people online and playing...again in the future but the servers need to work and it would help if we knew whether the game would be around in the future.
zDemoncake Horizons' Edge No Context 1	Posted - 2015.08.27 02:40:00 - [28] - Quote howard sanchez wrote: Union118 wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: We have been having server issues, see Frames announcement, that may have been resolved last night, after some late night heroics by CCP AquarHEAD and the REY ops team. We have, at the same time, during summer vacation been having a bounce back in pcu so I think we are doing quite ok. Fisters Unite! Lol The whole VF thing...my part in it anyway, was my meager attempt at moving the pcu in a positive direction. And, for a while there, I thought it might work. But the server issues killed the momentum more than any of the typical drama-lamas. I would try that or something like it...an effort by the playerbase to get more people online and playing...again in the future but the servers need to work and it would help if we knew whether the game would be around in the future. We're currently trying to do something similar, not necessarily for the entirety for the PCU, but as a drive to encourage players to hop on and fight towards a common goal. I would have to say that my satisfaction and experience with the gameplay that Dust 514 offers has been diminishing. One of the great things that Dust has going for it is the social activities and interactions that the players can partake in. This feature is one of the main reasons that I have stayed playing Dust since the open beta. CEO of Horizons' Edge's mercenary division *My soul, your beats!* Enemy to many; equal to none.


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