* Add recon-assist WP when scanned units are KO'd by teammates

No telling. But I definitely wouldn't want to see dampened units painted to TacNet every time someone sprays hipfire at them. If panic spray negates your damps, why not run HP in the first place? Like everyone else. This would be a major blow to stealth and backstab gameplay.

1. Scoping a target is a premeditated and precise tactical action. Spinning and spraying after getting hit in the back is absolutely not premeditated or precise.

2. Assume for the sake of argument that high intensity inner rings are weakened and/or disabled, the expressed goal being to improve backstab efficiency for better balanced gameplay. Spin-and-spray scan mechanics would negate this change.

3. If Intel WP were to be paid for spotting, it'd be over-the-top to pay it out to everyone in Blob A who sprayed at Blob B each and every time Blob B takes a casualty. It would no longer be Intel. It'd just be free WP atop assist WP.

My Recommendation:

* A spotter can spot only one target at a time.
* To do so, the spotter scopes a target for a full second.
* If the target is killed by a squaddie within X seconds of being spotted, the spotter is paid Intel WP.

My two cents, of course.

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Edit: All of this assumes that Rattati wants LoS intel to be shared. Very well might be better off not sharing it at all.

Say I spot you and flank you, taking care to run wide to avoid detection. Say I stalk you and wait until you're all alone and distracted. Still undetected. Say I sneak up right behind you, evading your LoS and everyone else's. Say I then shotgun you in the back, undetected up until the moment of attack.

You're an HMG Heavy. What happens next? And how did I fail at stealth play?

Maybe. Which Precision value though? Base Precision? At the moment, everyone's Precision is pretty strong in shotgun/knife range.

Say I spot you and flank you, taking care to run wide to avoid detection. Say I stalk you and wait until you're all alone and distracted. Still undetected. Say I sneak up right behind you, evading your LoS and everyone else's. Say I then shotgun you in the back, undetected up until the moment of attack.

You're an HMG Heavy. What happens next? And how did I fail at stealth play?

So, you're doing it wrong. How is that my problem?

Every time I shotgun a sentinel in the back, I fully expect to take damage from him. That's how common it is. The same goes for tanked Commandos and Assaults. You simply can't kill 'em fast enough.

You suggested a tweak to my proposed idea. I'm telling you specifically how and why I think your tweak wouldn't work. Take my feedback or leave it. Don't get all butthurt and defensive, and don't waste my time with edge-case scenarios.

The point is it should be a fitting option. You can fit hp mods on a scout and be effective. Why can't you fit profile dampeners on an assault? You can, but is it worth it? Most people won't, but variety is what makes the game interesting.

And the Gallente logi isn't designed to find sneaky suits, it's designed to find all suits. Sneaky suits are designed to hide from them. Basically, scouts are for hiding from scanners. Focussed scanners are for finding scouts. Profile dampeners are designed to hide you from scans.

I'm just saying that perhaps Gallente logis should be adjusted so it's a little easier for mediums to make use of profile dampeners, if they wish, and give scouts a bit more room for fitting options other than profile dampeners. It would allow for more interesting EWAR dynamics and fitting options for all suits. Also, for people who don't play scout and complain about permascan, they could more easily fit dampeners, instead of feeling they have to go scout or be scanned.

So for example, you could change the logi bonus from precision to cooldown reduction.
Buff focussed scanner precision from 20 to 15db, but reduce it's range to 50m.

Now you've got better distinction between long range, wide angle scans that can feasibly be hidden from (even by sentinels if they so wish), and short range, longer cooldown, but extremely powerful focussed scans.

Just a thought. Improving active scanner mechanics is another issue that can go with this.

With respect, I believe the underlined portion above to be an oversimplification of a complex problem. Scouts and Cloak were nerfed in a half dozen (or better) different ways, their racial bonuses were revised, Assaults were buffed, and passive scans were overhauled. That's what fixed the Scout problem. The GalLogi's Scans had very little if anything to do with the Scout problem or the fixing of the Scout problem.

If the GalLogi were removed from play today, I do not expect we'd see a repeat of Uprising 1.8. Rather, I'd expect we'd see better mix of MN/AM Scouts in play and an influx of dampened Assaults. Would dampened Assaults out-scout the Scout? It is possible, but I personally don't think so thanks to the Speed/HP Curve.

As far as range extenders, giving them a flat number makes them useful on all suits, but could easily have the AmScout becoming the new CalScout of old.

Agreed in concept. Though with today's active scans as they are, losing the damp bonus would require CalScout to commit 2 of 2 low slots to dampeners to remain off-radar. It can't hunt if it's permascanned.

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Can't really say one way or another. Nothing stands out as terribly good or bad. First impression falls somewhere between slight improvement and zero sum game.

Wouldn't lose the damp bonus. Alena was suggesting swapping the range and precision bonuses out. Not a total bonus swap.

Bsc - 0%
Adv - 5%
Pro - 10%

Cloak's active damp effect was much higher on release (at 25%), but new values were introduced to prevent undampened, uparmored Scouts from beating scans. Prior to the change, Scouts were able to achieve Assault-like hitpoint levels all the while ducking scans so long as their cloaks were active. The problem was exacerbated by substantially higher cloak reserves and instantaneous decloak mechanics (i.e. fire-from-cloak), which permitted Scouts the ability to decloak, engage and recloak in rapid succession.

In addition to reduction of active damp effect and cloak reserves (HF Alpha?), cloak deactivation was later extended from instantaneous to ~1 second to remedy fire-from-cloak. It was later extended again to the current, clunky ~3 seconds. In a separate but related nerf, the cloak blind mechanic was also introduced, which reduces a cloaked unit's scan range by 85%.

Even after all these cloak nerfs (and an Assault buff), Scouts remained OP. High hitpoint "Assault Lite" remained the go-to slayer suits from March of 2014 (Uprising 1.8) until December of 2014 (introduction of Falloff). Scout usage rates have since plummeted and remain in decline.

As well as a decline in usage from a decline in actual playerbase across those periods.

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