Most games I go into these days I notice that rail tech is by far the most used by top leaderboard players match after match. RRs ARRs and Bolt pistols seem increasingly common.

Are we concerned? Has the meta become too stale? This is not a whine or nerf thread, im just curious as to what you guys think and do you also notice this?

Most games I go into these days I notice that rail tech is by far the most used by top leaderboard players match after match. RRs ARRs and Bolt pistols seem increasingly common.

Are we concerned? Has the meta become too stale? This is not a whine or nerf thread, im just curious as to what you guys think and do you also notice this?

All rail weapons misfire alot. Why is this a problem? No clue, caldari suits have bad hit detection(blue shielding) and all their weapons missfire, shoot blanks, blue shield when making contact, even nova knifes do this.

I'd say the problem stems from everyone running armored tanked suits, but that's just me.

Tell me, who should win in a cqc, Gallente assault with ar or caldari assault with arr? The galass. Unfortunately, atm, that hard to do because the arr packs too much a punch in cqc and needs a kick buff to make it worse at cqc.

Also, all caldari weapons have the highest base damages. Put some damage and your gonna wreck.
Just a couple reasons why they are seen more often.

I have been saying that the AR should be the king of CQC for the longest time and I hate GAL's ( the race ) , I can agree with that but to say that the ARR or any RR needs another kick buff shows your bias , you can barely hold that thing straight at times even with burst intervals and sometimes you just cant burst fire because of the POS hit detection problems , so you have to fire and pray that it register .

Caldari might have the highest base damage because even though they have the most high slots , shields suck and are the first to take damage and Caldari are slow , have weak stamina and stamina recovery along with the least amount of armor health , so if you want those shields to work right you have to use regulators , energizers and chargers ( that's why most complain about shields because they don't want to do that and is the only race that's gimped so much and HAVE to do that to make their niche work for them ) so you don't have time for all DMG mods , you can do that just like you could dual tank and hell , sometimes you need to just to be effective but the fact that they have to use at least three mods for their niche to work might have something to do with that .

Least low slots / armor HP's , bad stamina / stamina regeneration and having to fit shield plates , chargers , energizers / rechargers as well as using one of the lows for regulators might have something to do with them having such high DPS for their weapons . No other suit has to do what the Caldari does just to make it work .

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Called it. Been saying this. Range is were everyone wants to play.

Most games I go into these days I notice that rail tech is by far the most used by top leaderboard players match after match. RRs ARRs and Bolt pistols seem increasingly common.

Are we concerned? Has the meta become too stale? This is not a whine or nerf thread, im just curious as to what you guys think and do you also notice this?

While I do hear you on the shield issues and nesscessity of fitting additional shield related modules......

That doesnt explain ARRs on Gallente assaults which is something ive seen often.

Again not whinging just a statement.

not enough penailty for using weapons that dont match the dropsuit.

id start with making the assault suit weapon fitting bonus only apply to racial weapons.

While I do hear you on the shield issues and nesscessity of fitting additional shield related modules......

That doesnt explain ARRs on Gallente assaults which is something ive seen often.

Again not whinging just a statement.

I understand , I'm not touchy like most .. might have been in the past but this is the internet , people say crap just to get a rise out of someone so I understand but I see Amarr Commando's using AR's , I see Gal Commando's using laser's .. I think that some just like what they like and the fact that you can use a long rang weapon on a suit that you can armor tank and get 20 sum odd rps, might have something to do with that as far as you seeing what you do .

I see people mix and matching all the time though .

I never give it much thought beyond them using a weapon for a suit that's not covered by the bonus of the suit but that's their choice .

Most games I go into these days I notice that rail tech is by far the most used by top leaderboard players match after match. RRs ARRs and Bolt pistols seem increasingly common.

Are we concerned? Has the meta become too stale? This is not a whine or nerf thread, im just curious as to what you guys think and do you also notice this?

I m having a lot of troubles with rail rifles, sometimes i have to release R1 to start shoot, when this kind of thing dont happen it kinda melt everything...

Yep, all rail tech has this glitch / bug as well as forge guns on occasion. I used to absolutely hate that bug when in a rail tank or forge gunning as with such slow firing weaponry it can easily be life or death. Its still painful when using the regular rifles too although it is much faster to resolve the bug with the rr`s I have found.

And I would be one of the first to scream at CCP if they added in any sort of arbitrary limits or restrictions however I am sure we can all agree that the regular AR is not up to par.

All of the assault variant other rifles all seem to out do the regular AR in actual gameplay. Paper stats can only tell you so much....

Yeah i know, dont tell me about the railgun reload bug xD, in my experience it seems it happens more often when you face people from other regions, like every EU pub match lol

Haha! I know man.

I mean..... U WOT M8 U DIDNT KNOW EH-SHAAA AND SAAOTH'MURICA WER PART OF YOUREUP?

Hell , I'll back you on that but I guess someone or something has to be at the bottom of the pole and like Caldari suits , the AR is the Caldari suit of rifles .

It should be the best at CQC though but it seems that they just don't know how to do that without making the gun OP or weak in other area's .

I'm sure you remember when people were crying " AR514 " and now it has suffered for that , maybe they just don't want another take of the same again but that gun should be the best in CQC and it's not .

I think that the damage profiles of all rifles need another look but things don't happen around here unless certain people speak out or everyone backs a movement , I've noticed this much .

If damage profiles changed , that might be a way to bring all rifles into the actions that they should be in but right now scrambler rifles kill armor and shields as well as most rifles , they don't do one thing better then another , they do both just the same with the difference being in their ranges and that needs to change so that you would see a greater difference in their functionality .

Probably the reason that anything that has range is the most used .

Whatever is on the standard dropsuit is typically what public users bend toward. Being trained on a weapon kind of makes people prefer it.

The current weapon equipped on the default Frontline... if I recall correctly... is the Rail Rifle.

I've noticed that many of the 'top' players are using rail tech. I can't understand why though. On paper, the ARR has less DPS than the ACR, an arguably worse damage profile, and horrid kick, as well as a charge-up time. I don't understand why people use it.