DUST Search - A Realistic/Fair boarding Topic.

Eldorlon Tharn wrote:

Vesta Ren wrote:

Whats with all this concern about EVE rage? Are we really so concerned that some internet nerds are going to be angry that there is one very specific very risky way to take over their ship that would have otherwise been destroyed?

Stop handicapping dust just to keep EVE happy, as long as a feature is well thought out and well balanced it will add to the game's fun, regardless of the few people who will flame because it happens to effect them slightly.

As an EVE player, i actualy have no idea who would be angry about this idea if implemented properly. Pirates certanly would be fine with it, as it would let them get a little bit more isk if they do things properly. Wouldn't effect high sec. And in null wars unless your just hunting down individual people the Dust boarding crafts could jsut be picked off your expensive ships with a few shots, stopping the boarding before it realy begins.

All it does is add depth to both games.

It has nothing to do with keeping anyone happy for my part - my problem with the issue of boarding ships is still mostly how much i would hate sitting 30 min untill the contract for the DUST players was ready and then another 30 min for the outcome of the fight.

I mean - would you really wan't to find yourself in that spot???

the point behind the idea is great but why would you wanna force an eve player to be bound in a place for any amount of time?

it dosent even have to be a ship in combat... some guy could be sitting in his hulk in 0.0 getting jumped by a cloaky and boarded... now he has ti sit and wait (I don't wanna hear "he's prolly AFK mining anyway")

If he's really lucky he was even about to dock and log, but now he's forced to decide to stay and wait. hopeing he might end up keeping his ship or lose his ship anyway..... the good old blow'em up and move on still leaves you able to log queit fast after getting blown up

EDIT: appart for that - if this WAS about keeping someone happy I would say it's the EVE players, since they pay to play and have been around longest.... DUST is PR for EVE

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[Veteran_EnglishSnake] 0	Posted - 2012.06.14 12:10:00 - [31] - Quote What is to stop the 1 lone pilot from activating the self destruct sequence, jettision his pod and killing everyone on board and thus ending the match as a win for him As much as boarding sounds good atm i dont think it should be in at all because ships are piloted by 1 person trying to defend against 16-32 attackers I say no to it atm
[Veteran_Eldorlon Tharn] 0	Posted - 2012.06.14 13:33:00 - [32] - Quote EnglishSnake wrote: What is to stop the 1 lone pilot from activating the self destruct sequence, jettision his pod and killing everyone on board and thus ending the match as a win for him As much as boarding sounds good atm i dont think it should be in at all because ships are piloted by 1 person trying to defend against 16-32 attackers I say no to it atm this is my point to. there would be no real explanation for were the 16 guys defending the ship came from... unless boundless comes up with a "instant marine" kit... How to use: "add water to the instant marine kit, give it a good shake and wait 15 sec." BTW - CCP if you use my INSTA GRUNT kit i hereby call it by trademark, copyright and all that
[Veteran_Degren Cthulhu] 0	Posted - 2012.06.14 14:12:00 - [33] - Quote granted ive only been playing eve for 10 months but i would like to see this happen down the road. i would change a few things in the op thou like it would require a new ship type so the victim can see what might be about to go down and that the ship it wants to board has got to be in structure. eg 1. im in lowsec in my armageddon when im engaged and tackled by 5 hostiles i put up a good fight kill 2 of the ships but im now capped out and in structure and cant fight back anyway, boarding ship warps in and latches onto my now stricken ship and starts to chew through whats left of the hull once thtas done my pod ejects as normal. ive now got 2 options i can contract a defence if they win the ship loss goes down as a self destruct if the attacker wins they now have a new but beat up ship or i can come back with friends and try and get my ship back the same way they took it. in this scenario i would have lost my ship any way so no tears that anything was taken out of my control eg 2. same deal tackled and capped out but just as the boarding ship is about to finish of whats left of my hull friends warp in and start landing reps and cap on my ship giving some armour back forcing the boarding ship of my ship, the hostiles now need to make a choice stay and fight and try to finish me of as normal or bail eg 3. im in my armageddon in lowsec doing whateva i come across a lone boarding ship and because its weaponless and slow its an easy target i get a scram and web on him and ransom/pod his sorry ass
[Veteran_EnglishSnake] 0	Posted - 2012.06.14 14:17:00 - [34] - Quote Eldorlon Tharn wrote: EnglishSnake wrote: What is to stop the 1 lone pilot from activating the self destruct sequence, jettision his pod and killing everyone on board and thus ending the match as a win for him As much as boarding sounds good atm i dont think it should be in at all because ships are piloted by 1 person trying to defend against 16-32 attackers I say no to it atm this is my point to. there would be no real explanation for were the 16 guys defending the ship came from... unless boundless comes up with a "instant marine" kit... How to use: "add water to the instant marine kit, give it a good shake and wait 15 sec." BTW - CCP if you use my INSTA GRUNT kit i hereby call it by trademark, copyright and all that Thats why i dont like it Your ship in EVE is a 1man ship, it has no marines on board with a cook/cleaner and medic Now a station will have security so boarding a station makes more sense than a ship
[Veteran_Zalifer Nakamoda] 0	Posted - 2012.06.14 14:32:00 - [35] - Quote Boarding ships is for people who are dumb and ugly. It should not happen. While I agree the games need to be linked, the also need to be separate. Also, ships are NOT one man. They have one pilot or capsuleer in them, but there could be thousands of staff on a titan, so some of them could be marines. Besides, they are freaking clones who's consciousness can fly instantly across the universe. They would just activate clones on any ship being attacked. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/New_Eden_crew_guidelines
[Veteran_EnglishSnake] 0	Posted - 2012.06.14 14:43:00 - [36] - Quote Zalifer Nakamoda wrote: Boarding ships is for people who are dumb and ugly. It should not happen. While I agree the games need to be linked, the also need to be separate. Also, ships are NOT one man. They have one pilot or capsuleer in them, but there could be thousands of staff on a titan, so some of them could be marines. Besides, they are freaking clones who's consciousness can fly instantly across the universe. They would just activate clones on any ship being attacked. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/New_Eden_crew_guidelines Could be but most likely not, in EVE the ship is piloted by you and you alone i thought until i saw the link That link is usefull but the stats i mean 10000ppl on the ship its a bit much tbh hence why i dont think they will bother
[Veteran_Zalifer Nakamoda] 0	Posted - 2012.06.14 15:15:00 - [37] - Quote EnglishSnake wrote: Zalifer Nakamoda wrote: Boarding ships is for people who are dumb and ugly. It should not happen. While I agree the games need to be linked, the also need to be separate. Also, ships are NOT one man. They have one pilot or capsuleer in them, but there could be thousands of staff on a titan, so some of them could be marines. Besides, they are freaking clones who's consciousness can fly instantly across the universe. They would just activate clones on any ship being attacked. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/New_Eden_crew_guidelines Could be but most likely not, in EVE the ship is piloted by you and you alone i thought until i saw the link That link is usefull but the stats i mean 10000ppl on the ship its a bit much tbh hence why i dont think they will bother I really don't understand... the table makes clear that even on a pod pilots titan, there are at least 3000 crew. So you, and 3000 non pod people. and don't think they will bother what?
[Veteran_EnglishSnake] 0	Posted - 2012.06.14 15:19:00 - [38] - Quote Zalifer Nakamoda wrote: EnglishSnake wrote: Zalifer Nakamoda wrote: Boarding ships is for people who are dumb and ugly. It should not happen. While I agree the games need to be linked, the also need to be separate. Also, ships are NOT one man. They have one pilot or capsuleer in them, but there could be thousands of staff on a titan, so some of them could be marines. Besides, they are freaking clones who's consciousness can fly instantly across the universe. They would just activate clones on any ship being attacked. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/New_Eden_crew_guidelines Could be but most likely not, in EVE the ship is piloted by you and you alone i thought until i saw the link That link is usefull but the stats i mean 10000ppl on the ship its a bit much tbh hence why i dont think they will bother I really don't understand... the table makes clear that even on a pod pilots titan, there are at least 3000 crew. So you, and 3000 non pod people. and don't think they will bother what? Bother implementing it 3000vs 3000 is a bit much Hell for a destroyer/cruiser or BC id just self destruct it instead of bothering with a contract and waiting on the outcome for a ship i can easily replace
[Veteran_Zalifer Nakamoda] 0	Posted - 2012.06.14 15:30:00 - [39] - Quote EnglishSnake wrote: Blah blah blah I never suggested those sorts of numbers. My stance is that boarding is dumb and ugly. People were saying it was silly to have boarding, because where would the defensive mercs come from, and the answer to that question is that there could be up to 6000 crew on a ship, and even if there were not, we could assume ships would have CRU's onboard, and only needed to request mercs, and they could die, and awake on the ship.
[Veteran_Vesta Ren] 0	Posted - 2012.06.14 15:30:00 - [40] - Quote Whats with all this concern about EVE rage? Are we really so concerned that some internet nerds are going to be angry that there is one very specific very risky way to take over their ship that would have otherwise been destroyed? Stop handicapping dust just to keep EVE happy, as long as a feature is well thought out and well balanced it will add to the game's fun, regardless of the few people who will flame because it happens to effect them slightly. As an EVE player, i actualy have no idea who would be angry about this idea if implemented properly. Pirates certanly would be fine with it, as it would let them get a little bit more isk if they do things properly. Wouldn't effect high sec. And in null wars unless your just hunting down individual people the Dust boarding crafts could jsut be picked off your expensive ships with a few shots, stopping the boarding before it realy begins. All it does is add depth to both games.

[Veteran_Markus] 0	Posted - 2012.06.14 15:36:00 - [41] - Quote I will self destruct my ship the second any dust bunny sets foot on my ship I could care less what ship or how its fiited. If theres something that prevents me from blowing it up that way ill log in an alt and burn my own ship to a wreck and smile gleefully as I watch the lil dust bunnies spew out of the hull breaches gasping and clawing for air. Stay away from our ships it will never ever work no one will ever agree to having you board our ships. The second that a patch goes into effect that allows this to happen you will lose so many subscribers to EVE CCPs pocket book will never recover. You lose eve you lose DUST.
[Veteran_EnglishSnake] 0	Posted - 2012.06.14 15:38:00 - [42] - Quote Zalifer Nakamoda wrote: EnglishSnake wrote: Blah blah blah Blah blah blah Que? Your the one with the link its where the numbers came from but atm the game being 16v16 and hopefully larger then fighting on a ship is kinda pointless if said ship can hold 10times the max player count It would be like BF3 massive ship but no one around Plus you self destruct the ship and the match wont take place
[Veteran_Eldorlon Tharn] 0	Posted - 2012.06.14 16:05:00 - [43] - Quote Vesta Ren wrote: Whats with all this concern about EVE rage? Are we really so concerned that some internet nerds are going to be angry that there is one very specific very risky way to take over their ship that would have otherwise been destroyed? Stop handicapping dust just to keep EVE happy, as long as a feature is well thought out and well balanced it will add to the game's fun, regardless of the few people who will flame because it happens to effect them slightly. As an EVE player, i actualy have no idea who would be angry about this idea if implemented properly. Pirates certanly would be fine with it, as it would let them get a little bit more isk if they do things properly. Wouldn't effect high sec. And in null wars unless your just hunting down individual people the Dust boarding crafts could jsut be picked off your expensive ships with a few shots, stopping the boarding before it realy begins. All it does is add depth to both games. It has nothing to do with keeping anyone happy for my part - my problem with the issue of boarding ships is still mostly how much i would hate sitting 30 min untill the contract for the DUST players was ready and then another 30 min for the outcome of the fight. I mean - would you really wan't to find yourself in that spot??? the point behind the idea is great but why would you wanna force an eve player to be bound in a place for any amount of time? it dosent even have to be a ship in combat... some guy could be sitting in his hulk in 0.0 getting jumped by a cloaky and boarded... now he has ti sit and wait (I don't wanna hear "he's prolly AFK mining anyway") If he's really lucky he was even about to dock and log, but now he's forced to decide to stay and wait. hopeing he might end up keeping his ship or lose his ship anyway..... the good old blow'em up and move on still leaves you able to log queit fast after getting blown up EDIT: appart for that - if this WAS about keeping someone happy I would say it's the EVE players, since they pay to play and have been around longest.... DUST is PR for EVE
[Veteran_Traynor Youngs] 0	Posted - 2012.06.14 19:26:00 - [44] - Quote Eldorlon Tharn wrote: Vesta Ren wrote: Whats with all this concern about EVE rage? Are we really so concerned that some internet nerds are going to be angry that there is one very specific very risky way to take over their ship that would have otherwise been destroyed? Stop handicapping dust just to keep EVE happy, as long as a feature is well thought out and well balanced it will add to the game's fun, regardless of the few people who will flame because it happens to effect them slightly. As an EVE player, i actualy have no idea who would be angry about this idea if implemented properly. Pirates certanly would be fine with it, as it would let them get a little bit more isk if they do things properly. Wouldn't effect high sec. And in null wars unless your just hunting down individual people the Dust boarding crafts could jsut be picked off your expensive ships with a few shots, stopping the boarding before it realy begins. All it does is add depth to both games. It has nothing to do with keeping anyone happy for my part - my problem with the issue of boarding ships is still mostly how much i would hate sitting 30 min untill the contract for the DUST players was ready and then another 30 min for the outcome of the fight. I mean - would you really wan't to find yourself in that spot??? the point behind the idea is great but why would you wanna force an eve player to be bound in a place for any amount of time? it dosent even have to be a ship in combat... some guy could be sitting in his hulk in 0.0 getting jumped by a cloaky and boarded... now he has ti sit and wait (I don't wanna hear "he's prolly AFK mining anyway") If he's really lucky he was even about to dock and log, but now he's forced to decide to stay and wait. hopeing he might end up keeping his ship or lose his ship anyway..... the good old blow'em up and move on still leaves you able to log queit fast after getting blown up EDIT: appart for that - if this WAS about keeping someone happy I would say it's the EVE players, since they pay to play and have been around longest.... DUST is PR for EVE Space AIDS is bad game design. In Eve, you ARE the spaceship. There are some captains quarters or something somewhere but your real avatar IS your ship. So when DUST bunnies board you, you might as well have contracted AIDS, and the only thing to do is wait and see if the meds work. That is bad game design and I can prove it. Ill make a game and call it space AIDS, and tell people that they are starship pilots on a ship that has been boarded and their mission is to win the battle for their ship. When they enter the game they sit and wait for one hour, then a pop up tells them if they won. How fun does that sound? So Vesta, its not about Eve Rage, its about gameplay. As anyone who has ever played a game before knows, its all about the gameplay being fun. I agree with Eldorlon in that boarding ships is dumb. But I disagree that one game is more important than another. They are both important and they need to both be compelling games. But what does boarding ships really add to DUST? Does it add so much that simply cannot come from any other source that justifies what it takes away from Eve? I think not.


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