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Vegetation Monster wrote:

Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote:

Changes were made so that the ADS wouldn't be able to farm infantry like those that choose to complain about HAV's doing .

Can't have both and AV is not OP .

You can kill swarmer's and forgers if you know what your doing , if your using missiles .. it's even more easier .

I see pilots and operators complaining about swarms but they are an area denial weapon and their doing there job , it depends on the user to be aware of their environment .

You can hear swarms tracking you by the sound of the missile , now forges .. you don't get that advantage .

If you hear swarms around you and your the ONLY vehicle , chances are that someone is firing them at you but it seems that too many are just not aware and then they come to the forums and complain .

I had a gal maxed and had no problems killing HAV's and it was easier when my team helped , had zero problems knocking ADS's / DS's out of the sky .

Again , I believe that it depends on the user .

Some people have problems and some find it easy but like flying it's self , you can't blame the tool because it's going to do it's job but it depends on the user .

Now you wanna buff ADS's and then what .?. can't leave out HAV's after that because now you will be able to farm them like before the nerf , just like infantry .

Nerf swarms and you'll be right back in the same situation like before .

Get better and learn your surroundings and listen .

Just because some can't master that doesn't mean it should be changed , it just means that THING takes skill and mastery and that takes experience and time .

No one complains about FG's because you can hover over a forger and kill them easier then you can a swarmer .

So you're basically saying get gud vs a no skill swarm user? You should go use an ADS before you babble about how it's balanced. I bet you, you'd probably get easily destroyed unless you are playing a bunch of 500k sp noobs.

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Vegetation Monster G0DS AM0NG MEN The Empire of New Eden 330	Posted - 2015.08.19 01:28:00 - [1] - Quote Python Skill Incubus Skill Gåæ you can't even notice the fruits of your 2.5 mil sp investment each. B Double O T Y
DozersMouse XIII Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 1	Posted - 2015.08.19 01:32:00 - [2] - Quote CCP'd addicted to the Kubo's GMK-16 banana cannon
xavier zor 2	Posted - 2015.08.19 01:59:00 - [3] - Quote I would even bother with it, ADS is so underpowered ATM Zor's double ISK service
hails8n DEATH BY DESTRUCTION 437	Posted - 2015.08.19 02:26:00 - [4] - Quote At one time when Rattati was on an Ads Nerf rampage the incubus skill worked backwards and made you overheat quicker. I remember before the Nerf you could shoot like 20 rounds before overheating, after Nerf it was like 7 with a much slower rof. Also he got recall times nerfed, swarms buffed, a much longer mod cool down so you couldnt do hit and runs so easily all around the same update. . On top of that, a cpu/pg buff was promised which never happened, and Rattati said something like," We forgot to implement the Ads Cpu/Pg buff , is it really that important ?" Every Ads fit I have, fitting 5 in small rails and missles, every Assault drop ship skill maxed out, and I still need a pg mod on all my fits. "Make America Great Again" Donald Trump 2016
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui MeatBag Disposal Service LOGISTICS 2	Posted - 2015.08.19 02:50:00 - [5] - Quote Changes were made so that the ADS wouldn't be able to farm infantry like those that choose to complain about HAV's doing . Can't have both and AV is not OP . You can kill swarmer's and forgers if you know what your doing , if your using missiles .. it's even more easier . I see pilots and operators complaining about swarms but they are an area denial weapon and their doing there job , it depends on the user to be aware of their environment . You can hear swarms tracking you by the sound of the missile , now forges .. you don't get that advantage . If you hear swarms around you and your the ONLY vehicle , chances are that someone is firing them at you but it seems that too many are just not aware and then they come to the forums and complain . I had a gal maxed and had no problems killing HAV's and it was easier when my team helped , had zero problems knocking ADS's / DS's out of the sky . Again , I believe that it depends on the user . Some people have problems and some find it easy but like flying it's self , you can't blame the tool because it's going to do it's job but it depends on the user . Now you wanna buff ADS's and then what .?. can't leave out HAV's after that because now you will be able to farm them like before the nerf , just like infantry . Nerf swarms and you'll be right back in the same situation like before . Get better and learn your surroundings and listen . Just because some can't master that doesn't mean it should be changed , it just means that THING takes skill and mastery and that takes experience and time . No one complains about FG's because you can hover over a forger and kill them easier then you can a swarmer . Teamwork is really important - said the Tyrannosarus Rex from Kung Fury .
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui MeatBag Disposal Service LOGISTICS 2	Posted - 2015.08.19 02:55:00 - [6] - Quote The only underpowered one is the Cal and that's because of the one low slot and it has zero armor , just like the infantry and that's from those thinking that you can translate everything from EVE to Dust and get positive results because of " lore " . Good luck with that . That makes items underpowered . No balance . Teamwork is really important - said the Tyrannosarus Rex from Kung Fury .
Juno Tristan Obscure Reference 769	Posted - 2015.08.19 03:04:00 - [7] - Quote We have been Judged for the sins of others... ADS Ramming Revenge! Plasma Cannon Rampage
Beld Errmon 2	Posted - 2015.08.19 04:26:00 - [8] - Quote Not sure about the python cause i don't fly it much, but the incubus skill is worth its weight in gold, just today while doing over watch for a pubbies missile tank I killed 7 tanks with my particle cannon, railbus isn't as good as it used to be but its still a monster in the right conditions. Assault Dropship Pilot Semi-Retired Closed Bittervet
deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP Evil Syndicate Alliance. 3	Posted - 2015.08.19 04:42:00 - [9] - Quote Vegetation Monster wrote: Python Skill Incubus Skill Gåæ you can't even notice the fruits of your 2.5 mil sp investment each. I still feel like most of the fitting optimizations rank higher on the useless scale. It may not be as much SP but there is absolutely zero effect to many of those, specifically when you get into the side arms. ++ Remove NPC orbitals from FW -- Fix orbital timers for Eve players assisting in Planetary Conquest ++
General Mosquito Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 337	Posted - 2015.08.19 05:17:00 - [10] - Quote Bro until you have trained LAV Operation 5 you aren't on my useless skill level. The Attorney General - Mr. Hybrid Vayu

General Mosquito Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 337	Posted - 2015.08.19 05:18:00 - [11] - Quote deezy dabest wrote: I still feel like most of the fitting optimizations rank higher on the useless scale. It may not be as much SP but there is absolutely zero effect to many of those, specifically when you get into the side arms. Basic math can save you a lot of SP in those situations. Failing that get a calculator and save that SP for something important, like dropsuit command 5 The Attorney General - Mr. Hybrid Vayu
deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP Evil Syndicate Alliance. 3	Posted - 2015.08.19 05:21:00 - [12] - Quote General Mosquito wrote: deezy dabest wrote: I still feel like most of the fitting optimizations rank higher on the useless scale. It may not be as much SP but there is absolutely zero effect to many of those, specifically when you get into the side arms. Basic math can save you a lot of SP in those situations. Failing that get a calculator and save that SP for something important, like dropsuit command 5 Yea I have (atleast I think) figured out the exact numbers for when those skills can help ME. It gets really crazy because most of the time they only make any difference when you have 2 weapons with some sort of optimization applied. I say that based on how it seems the interface rounds but honestly there is just so much there to try to figure out that for most people it just ends up very wasted SP. Good thing I am sitting at 75 million SP so really don't care other than for fun and for trying to help out a few newbies here and there. I can say if it was my SP getting spent I would have pulled all of my hair out by now. ++ Remove NPC orbitals from FW -- Fix orbital timers for Eve players assisting in Planetary Conquest ++
DUST Fiend 17	Posted - 2015.08.19 07:02:00 - [13] - Quote I fly my Python with a railgun and the only thing I notice is I have a bit less ammo overall. The 10% RoF is mostly negligible in most engagements. The really sad thing is that the RoF nerf was a direct result of the pilot stacking bug. CCP actually couldn't figure out how to fix it, so they neutered the hell out of base RoF so that way the still active pilot stacking bug would not only be less noticeable, but much less effective. Basically it's par for the course with DUST: if duct tape can't fix it, it ain't broke. I am a beautiful space manatee, flying through the sky with the greatest of ease Swarms *everywhere. WoD 514*
deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP Evil Syndicate Alliance. 3	Posted - 2015.08.19 07:05:00 - [14] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: I fly my Python with a railgun and the only thing I notice is I have a bit less ammo overall. The 10% RoF is mostly negligible in most engagements. The really sad thing is that the RoF nerf was a direct result of the pilot stacking bug. CCP actually couldn't figure out how to fix it, so they neutered the hell out of base RoF so that way the still active pilot stacking bug would not only be less noticeable, but much less effective. Basically it's par for the course with DUST: if duct tape can't fix it, it ain't broke. Band-aids...... The only fix we get in Dust. I have a dream that some day Dust will have a full dev team lead by Ratatti so we can see his leadership in all its glory. ^ Now considering this as my sig. ++ Remove NPC orbitals from FW -- Fix orbital timers for Eve players assisting in Planetary Conquest ++
DUST Fiend 17	Posted - 2015.08.19 07:11:00 - [15] - Quote deezy dabest wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: I fly my Python with a railgun and the only thing I notice is I have a bit less ammo overall. The 10% RoF is mostly negligible in most engagements. The really sad thing is that the RoF nerf was a direct result of the pilot stacking bug. CCP actually couldn't figure out how to fix it, so they neutered the hell out of base RoF so that way the still active pilot stacking bug would not only be less noticeable, but much less effective. Basically it's par for the course with DUST: if duct tape can't fix it, it ain't broke. Band-aids...... The only fix we get in Dust. I have a dream that some day Dust will have a full dev team lead by Ratatti so we can see his leadership in all its glory. ^ Now considering this as my sig. DUST is no longer worthy of dreams. I am a beautiful space manatee, flying through the sky with the greatest of ease Swarms *everywhere. WoD 514*
Tesfa Alem Death by Disassociation 1	Posted - 2015.08.19 07:25:00 - [16] - Quote Incubus skill isnt half bad as long as you have leftover SP to spare. I like the extra ammo, and I can pump out a few more rounds before overheating. Sometimes it makes the differnce between killing that dropship before its in the redline. The real question rather is it worth being an 8x skill? Hah, no way in hell is it worth that. Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me. "I sometimes wonder why I share stuff "- CCP Rattati
Mejt0 Dead Man's Game 2	Posted - 2015.08.19 11:49:00 - [17] - Quote CCP can't fix most of Dust problems. They find a way around. Always. Modern society is lacking in empathy Pole from flesh and bones
Alcina Nektaria KILL-EM-QUICK Rise Of Legion. 163	Posted - 2015.08.19 14:35:00 - [18] - Quote hails8n wrote: Every Ads fit I have, fitting 5 in small rails and missles, every Assault drop ship skill maxed out, and I still need a pg mod on all my fits. o.O how? AV Infantry Unless you use Python, then I just simply can't even help cause I don't run caldari crap *KEQ Diplomat* Gallente Loyalist ... Come at me bro. A grenade to the head will most certainly get you dead.
Vegetation Monster G0DS AM0NG MEN The Empire of New Eden 331	Posted - 2015.08.19 15:30:00 - [19] - Quote Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: Changes were made so that the ADS wouldn't be able to farm infantry like those that choose to complain about HAV's doing . Can't have both and AV is not OP . You can kill swarmer's and forgers if you know what your doing , if your using missiles .. it's even more easier . I see pilots and operators complaining about swarms but they are an area denial weapon and their doing there job , it depends on the user to be aware of their environment . You can hear swarms tracking you by the sound of the missile , now forges .. you don't get that advantage . If you hear swarms around you and your the ONLY vehicle , chances are that someone is firing them at you but it seems that too many are just not aware and then they come to the forums and complain . I had a gal maxed and had no problems killing HAV's and it was easier when my team helped , had zero problems knocking ADS's / DS's out of the sky . Again , I believe that it depends on the user . Some people have problems and some find it easy but like flying it's self , you can't blame the tool because it's going to do it's job but it depends on the user . Now you wanna buff ADS's and then what .?. can't leave out HAV's after that because now you will be able to farm them like before the nerf , just like infantry . Nerf swarms and you'll be right back in the same situation like before . Get better and learn your surroundings and listen . Just because some can't master that doesn't mean it should be changed , it just means that THING takes skill and mastery and that takes experience and time . No one complains about FG's because you can hover over a forger and kill them easier then you can a swarmer . So you're basically saying get gud vs a no skill swarm user? You should go use an ADS before you babble about how it's balanced. I bet you, you'd probably get easily destroyed unless you are playing a bunch of 500k sp noobs. B Double O T Y
Vegetation Monster G0DS AM0NG MEN The Empire of New Eden 331	Posted - 2015.08.19 15:32:00 - [20] - Quote Beld Errmon wrote: Not sure about the python cause i don't fly it much, but the incubus skill is worth its weight in gold, just today while doing over watch for a pubbies missile tank I killed 7 tanks with my particle cannon, railbus isn't as good as it used to be but its still a monster in the right conditions. legit you must have been playing terrible tankers. You could probably talke pot shots at my tank all day and you'll run out of a ammo before you kill me. Anyway, if you became annoying, I'd just pull out my tripple damage modded particle cannon tank and 1 shot you. maybe two. B Double O T Y

Vegetation Monster G0DS AM0NG MEN The Empire of New Eden 331	Posted - 2015.08.19 15:35:00 - [21] - Quote Alcina Nektaria wrote: hails8n wrote: Every Ads fit I have, fitting 5 in small rails and missles, every Assault drop ship skill maxed out, and I still need a pg mod on all my fits. o.O how? AV Infantry Unless you use Python, then I just simply can't even help cause I don't run caldari crap You do know that that fit right there would get easily destroyed by a swarm user. I used that fit right there and I got hit with one swarm- I activated hardener - got hit by second swarm and died before the 2 second delay on hardener ended. B Double O T Y
DUST Fiend 17	Posted - 2015.08.19 15:54:00 - [22] - Quote Vegetation Monster wrote: Beld Errmon wrote: Not sure about the python cause i don't fly it much, but the incubus skill is worth its weight in gold, just today while doing over watch for a pubbies missile tank I killed 7 tanks with my particle cannon, railbus isn't as good as it used to be but its still a monster in the right conditions. legit you must have been playing terrible tankers. You could probably talke pot shots at my tank all day and you'll run out of a ammo before you kill me. Anyway, if you became annoying, I'd just pull out my tripple damage modded particle cannon tank and 1 shot you. maybe two. The real reason havs are almost impossible to kill with ADS is because a dual wyrikomi swarm commando hops out as soon as you get close, every ***** time. I am a beautiful space manatee, flying through the sky with the greatest of ease Swarms everywhere. WoD 514**
Alcina Nektaria KILL-EM-QUICK Rise Of Legion. 170	Posted - 2015.08.19 15:57:00 - [23] - Quote Vegetation Monster wrote: Alcina Nektaria wrote: hails8n wrote: Every Ads fit I have, fitting 5 in small rails and missles, every Assault drop ship skill maxed out, and I still need a pg mod on all my fits. o.O how? AV Infantry Unless you use Python, then I just simply can't even help cause I don't run caldari crap You do know that that fit right there would get easily destroyed by a swarm user. I used that fit right there and I got hit with one swarm- I activated hardener - got hit by second swarm and died before the 2 second delay on hardener ended. Always expect swarms, especially when just flying into the middle of the battlefield, throw on hardner as you get near infantry, shoot a little, when you start getting bombarded by swarms, activate afterburner and fly away. works every time. *KEQ Diplomat* Gallente Loyalist ... Come at me bro. A grenade to the head will most certainly get you dead.
CUSE TOWN333 Ancient Exiles. 3	Posted - 2015.08.19 16:16:00 - [24] - Quote Vegetation Monster wrote: Alcina Nektaria wrote: hails8n wrote: Every Ads fit I have, fitting 5 in small rails and missles, every Assault drop ship skill maxed out, and I still need a pg mod on all my fits. o.O how? AV Infantry Unless you use Python, then I just simply can't even help cause I don't run caldari crap You do know that that fit right there would get easily destroyed by a swarm user. I used that fit right there and I got hit with one swarm- I activated hardener - got hit by second swarm and died before the 2 second delay on hardener ended. who dafuq activates their hardener after they get hit. thats like exercising after your all ready fat. If you run your only going to die tired.
DUST Fiend 17	Posted - 2015.08.19 16:21:00 - [25] - Quote CUSE TOWN333 wrote: Vegetation Monster wrote: Alcina Nektaria wrote: hails8n wrote: Every Ads fit I have, fitting 5 in small rails and missles, every Assault drop ship skill maxed out, and I still need a pg mod on all my fits. o.O how? AV Infantry Unless you use Python, then I just simply can't even help cause I don't run caldari crap You do know that that fit right there would get easily destroyed by a swarm user. I used that fit right there and I got hit with one swarm- I activated hardener - got hit by second swarm and died before the 2 second delay on hardener ended. who dafuq activates their hardener after they get hit. thats like exercising after your all ready fat. Someone doesn't fly much. Very VERY often the first set of swarms won't render, won't make a sound, you just take a ** load of damage out of nowhere. If you're going to bash on pilots, keep a DS in the air for more than 10 seconds against REAL AV, which you VERY clearly have not ever done. Alcina Nektaria wrote: Always expect swarms, especially when just flying into the middle of the battlefield, throw on hardner as you get near infantry, shoot a little, when you start getting bombarded by swarms, activate afterburner and fly away. works every time. Yet with that approach you very rarely contribute anything, because you spend the vast majority of your time running away on cooldown, even as you admit, running away at the height of your cycle. You accomplish nothing but feeding the enemy team WP. Also, dual hardener fit is BEGGING to be one shot by railguns. I am a beautiful space manatee, flying through the sky with the greatest of ease Swarms everywhere. WoD 514**
Operative 1174 Uuali True Companion Planetary Requisitions 1	Posted - 2015.08.19 16:27:00 - [26] - Quote Vegetation Monster wrote: Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: Changes were made so that the ADS wouldn't be able to farm infantry like those that choose to complain about HAV's doing . Can't have both and AV is not OP . You can kill swarmer's and forgers if you know what your doing , if your using missiles .. it's even more easier . I see pilots and operators complaining about swarms but they are an area denial weapon and their doing there job , it depends on the user to be aware of their environment . You can hear swarms tracking you by the sound of the missile , now forges .. you don't get that advantage . If you hear swarms around you and your the ONLY vehicle , chances are that someone is firing them at you but it seems that too many are just not aware and then they come to the forums and complain . I had a gal maxed and had no problems killing HAV's and it was easier when my team helped , had zero problems knocking ADS's / DS's out of the sky . Again , I believe that it depends on the user . Some people have problems and some find it easy but like flying it's self , you can't blame the tool because it's going to do it's job but it depends on the user . Now you wanna buff ADS's and then what .?. can't leave out HAV's after that because now you will be able to farm them like before the nerf , just like infantry . Nerf swarms and you'll be right back in the same situation like before . Get better and learn your surroundings and listen . Just because some can't master that doesn't mean it should be changed , it just means that THING takes skill and mastery and that takes experience and time . No one complains about FG's because you can hover over a forger and kill them easier then you can a swarmer . So you're basically saying get gud vs a no skill swarm user? You should go use an ADS before you babble about how it's balanced. I bet you, you'd probably get easily destroyed unless you are playing a bunch of 500k sp noobs. ^ yep. CPM RESULTS SUMMERIZED
Vegetation Monster G0DS AM0NG MEN The Empire of New Eden 332	Posted - 2015.08.19 16:36:00 - [27] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: - You are literally one of the smartest people on the forums. Everyone proposes these theories on how to fly but in reality their theories are as close to useful to the team as blueberries sniping in CQC. I applaud you for your ADS knowledge and common sense. B Double O T Y
Shadowed Cola Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 819	Posted - 2015.08.19 16:37:00 - [28] - Quote CUSE TOWN333 wrote: who dafuq activates their hardener after they get hit. thats like exercising after your all ready fat. How did no one else spot this delicious statement? LOL Weren't you going to stop trolling? Or are you just trolling yourself now?
Louis Domi Louis Domi's Super Happy Fun Time 1	Posted - 2015.08.19 16:40:00 - [29] - Quote Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: Changes were made so that the ADS wouldn't be able to farm infantry like those that choose to complain about HAV's doing . Can't have both and AV is not OP . You can kill swarmer's and forgers if you know what your doing , if your using missiles .. it's even more easier . I see pilots and operators complaining about swarms but they are an area denial weapon and their doing there job , it depends on the user to be aware of their environment . You can hear swarms tracking you by the sound of the missile , now forges .. you don't get that advantage . If you hear swarms around you and your the ONLY vehicle , chances are that someone is firing them at you but it seems that too many are just not aware and then they come to the forums and complain . I had a gal maxed and had no problems killing HAV's and it was easier when my team helped , had zero problems knocking ADS's / DS's out of the sky . Again , I believe that it depends on the user . Some people have problems and some find it easy but like flying it's self , you can't blame the tool because it's going to do it's job but it depends on the user . Now you wanna buff ADS's and then what .?. can't leave out HAV's after that because now you will be able to farm them like before the nerf , just like infantry . Nerf swarms and you'll be right back in the same situation like before . Get better and learn your surroundings and listen . Just because some can't master that doesn't mean it should be changed , it just means that THING takes skill and mastery and that takes experience and time . No one complains about FG's because you can hover over a forger and kill them easier then you can a swarmer . No one complains about FG's because you can dodge them and they actually require skillz... Swarms are just look up and wait for that poor ADS to come into the area, then spam 3 rounds of swarms at the same time, some invisible, and they have a sort of tracking that enables them to go around buildings, so you can't even hide... Also there's not really a swarm sound. You can't really get that one swarmer because the knockback from the missiles mess up your aim, and again you can't dodge it, so they'll keep hitting you until you die. "If you got a hankering for a piece of sexy Domi pie come on down to Louis Domi's Super Happy Fun Time!
Alcina Nektaria KILL-EM-QUICK Rise Of Legion. 173	Posted - 2015.08.19 17:13:00 - [30] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Alcina Nektaria wrote: Always expect swarms, especially when just flying into the middle of the battlefield, throw on hardner as you get near infantry, shoot a little, when you start getting bombarded by swarms, activate afterburner and fly away. works every time. Yet with that approach you very rarely contribute anything, because you spend the vast majority of your time running away on cooldown, even as you admit, running away at the height of your cycle. You accomplish nothing but feeding the enemy team WP. Also, dual hardener fit is BEGGING to be one shot by railguns. I spend majority of nothing running. I never said I wait for cool down. (not practical to some people who do wait for it) nor run at the height of my cycle. I run when I know that two more volleys of swarms will take me out. Regardless, by that time I know exactly where the swarmers are and I just come right back down when my shield has recharged and take them out. Do I lose dropships? Of course, they are stupidly underpowered and explode when you look at them the wrong way; but then I usually only bring them out when people camp on rooftops or building structures for extra kills. I'm not about that dual hardened life brah. *KEQ Diplomat* Gallente Loyalist ... Come at me bro. A grenade to the head will most certainly get you dead.



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