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True Adamance
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Posted - 2015.08.18 20:37:00 -
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Lightning35 Delta514 wrote: Gallente and caldari are correct imo Amarr would be more like old Roman Empire. Right now, maybe Russia because of size and power. As for minmatar, hard to say exactly. There are many countries that could fall under "minmatar" requisite
I keep thinking Ottoman Empire or perhaps Archemenid Persian Empire for the Amarr. There is so much more to the Amarr than the occasional Latin parallel
Em shah tey et naGÇÖemsaer ek rahvi, amarr osedah gasi ubday pahk. Ekin tey vahka ijed div ema ziel. Et tey vamatal em.
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Posted - 2015.08.18 22:16:00 -
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Louis Domi wrote:How is the Caldari Japan? I've always thought we were major corporate guys, seeming more like Corporate America and such.
Also considering Caldari have Rails, and the U.S navy has some plans in for rails...(Unless other countries have this as well then My bad)
I would guess that Gal and Cal would both be sort of like the US. Since they both were one in the same some time ago and then seperated. Something like how hipsters and whatnot despise corporate guys and whatnot. Or maybe something like class struggle or something like that.(Hipsters being Gal and Corporate guys being Cal)
I think of Amar as something of a kind of **** Germany sometimes. Minmatar as the minority of all(Since they are tribes you can just say all minorities that have ever been persecuted)
Oh look someone above me said something similar @ Void Echo for beating me to the Punch bowl.
Edit: What would the Jove be?
Most people refer to the Caldari as a Japan in Meiji Period where Japan moves from an isolated feudal nation into its industrialised modern form. Prior to this era, if I am not mistaken, Japan had been a country that had isolated itself from the rest of the world and most of the western traders under the orders of the Tokugawa Shogunate.
I'm not so sure about the Amarr being **** Germany....there are far too many inconsistencies between what the Amarr are trying to do and what the **** Party ruling the Germany of the time did. They certainly have some similarities in my mind with organisations in EVE like the Templis Dragonaurs and Provists, organisations of ultra-nationist patriots who at one point ruled the state under Tibus Heth..... but again without many the same negative connotations typically associated with such comparisons.
Em shah tey et naGÇÖemsaer ek rahvi, amarr osedah gasi ubday pahk. Ekin tey vahka ijed div ema ziel. Et tey vamatal em.
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Posted - 2015.08.18 23:15:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:
Point out in the bible anywhere that condones suicide and enslavement/genocide of others because they don't follow.
I'm sure you could look in the Old Testament for some pretty gruesome things that would be lauded as noble acts because they were in the name of God. How then in their inclusion in the bible which purportedly teaches God's message is that not more or less a moral justification for say genocides like those undertaken during the Crusades against the Saracens or the 'enemies of Israel' (Book of Joshua where the sun stood still)?
Also....
Leviticus 25:44-46 ESV
"As for your male and female slaves whom you may have: you may buy male and female slaves from among the nations that are around you. You may also buy from among the strangers who sojourn with you and their clans that are with you, who have been born in your land, and they may be your property. You may bequeath them to your sons after you to inherit as a possession forever. You may make slaves of them, but over your brothers the people of Israel you shall not rule, one over another ruthlessly."
The two are from the King James Bible.....
Colossians 4:1 - "Masters, give unto [your] servants that which is just and equal; knowing that ye also have a Master in heaven."
Titus 2:9-10 - "[Exhort] servants to be obedient unto their own masters, [and] to please [them] well in all [things]; not answering again; "
However with relevance to New Eden what genocide are you speaking of? The Amarr haven't undertaken a deliberate act of genocide against the Minmatar or any enslaved race throughout their histories. They've never had to.
Em shah tey et naGÇÖemsaer ek rahvi, amarr osedah gasi ubday pahk. Ekin tey vahka ijed div ema ziel. Et tey vamatal em.
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Posted - 2015.08.19 00:01:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:
The amarr killed every matari that resisted and enslaved everyone else. Genocide and slavery go hand in hand.
This isn't a moral justification though the term genocide infers that the intent of the act is to target a specific group, ethnic or otherwise, for the purpose of depopulation ( defined as the systematic elimination of a group).
As you yourself mentioned the Amarr only killed those who resisted. The fundamental purpose of enslaving large populations by the Amarr was at the time two fold representing the primary means of acquiring new slave stocks and secondly to avoid unnecessary bloodshed in protracted warfare.
Modern Amarrian slavery is vastly different though than it was 300 years prior.
I've not delved too deeply into lore from the timeline or checked into chronicles that catalogued the Day of Darkness from a personal perspective though I should think that it is pretty clear the Amarr don't want to kill anyone but will if they have to.
Em shah tey et naGÇÖemsaer ek rahvi, amarr osedah gasi ubday pahk. Ekin tey vahka ijed div ema ziel. Et tey vamatal em.
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Posted - 2015.08.19 00:06:00 -
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Immortal John Ripper wrote:
It needs a bit of work...... however I have not forgotten you penchant for Taco's and already in the frame work of the story have included a traditional local delicacy of meat, vegetables, various cheeses and sauces wrapped in flat bread..... sometimes the bread is even fried leaving it a crispy exterior in which the various toppings can be laid.
Em shah tey et naGÇÖemsaer ek rahvi, amarr osedah gasi ubday pahk. Ekin tey vahka ijed div ema ziel. Et tey vamatal em.
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Posted - 2015.08.19 00:26:00 -
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MrCriminal High Power wrote: Amarr = US Slaves were used.
Not in the same way or for the same purpose. The Amarr are currently in a relatively liberal era and as such enslaving citizens of foreign nations is punishable by law, slaves themselves are protected by harshly enforced laws, and trade between certain parts of the Empire is open and free.....
Though its also because of this liberal age we still see continue abuse of slaves by capsuleer and foreign entities. Because slaves are a freely tradeable commodity on the SCC free markets whom they are sold to is not regulated like it is in Amarr space, nor can these individuals purchasing slaves through the open markets be punished by any entity for mistreatment of them.
Traditionally only Holder's with the right to rule could own slaves, all others sign contracts with the Holder to effectively borrow them though ultimately the responsibility lies with the Holder and they remain as Holder property until freed by them.
Em shah tey et naGÇÖemsaer ek rahvi, amarr osedah gasi ubday pahk. Ekin tey vahka ijed div ema ziel. Et tey vamatal em.
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Posted - 2015.08.19 00:38:00 -
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Sgt Kirk wrote:Stop, stop, stop.
You can't compare these intricate unique factions into modern, or past cultures.
Just accept them as they are.
Indeed you can't but I think that people often need parallels to draw from who lack a degree of imagination. When I say this I mean the ability to understand a completely fictional culture as something concrete and real not lack of being able to think up clever or unique things.
I mean when I think of a faction I can visualise their cities, their people, how the talk, what they would talk about, what they would eat, do for fun, their phrases and idioms, etc. Some people don't do this and like to have something more 'real' to them to draw from.
Em shah tey et naGÇÖemsaer ek rahvi, amarr osedah gasi ubday pahk. Ekin tey vahka ijed div ema ziel. Et tey vamatal em.
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Posted - 2015.08.19 00:51:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:Nothing justifies slavery, the amarr can't erase their image that is hated until they renounce slavery altogether and forbid it from their religious beliefs
Or conversely achieve their immortal destiny and bring all of Mankind under one banner. That would successfully erase that image though the concept of slavery is not universally reviled throughout New Eden, especially the kind practised by the Amarr being fair, moderate, and with a real purpose behind it.
OOC I completely agree with you in the concept of owning another person is rather reprehensible though within New Eden's universe I see nothing wrong with it. The idea that the human spirit has an inherent right to freedom is a social construct, albeit a noble one in the grand scheme of things.
Slavery to the Amarr is a means to an end, a previously obscure scriptural reference used by the Amarr as a justification for pacification and control of the Udorian City States on Athra after they suddenly found themselves having conquered tens or hundreds of thousands of citizens loyal to a foreign power, now used as a means of cultural exchange and indoctrination.
IC I believe its a tool that is necessary for post war/conquest ethnicities but in the more peaceful post Heideran VII age the Amarr currently exist it the practice is flawed and leaves no means for true progression. However that does not means those currently enslaved should all be freed, it inversely means that they need this time to truly accept their place within Amarrian society for the betterment of their children, grandchildren, and wider people as a whole.
Em shah tey et naGÇÖemsaer ek rahvi, amarr osedah gasi ubday pahk. Ekin tey vahka ijed div ema ziel. Et tey vamatal em.
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Posted - 2015.08.19 01:15:00 -
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Beld Errmon wrote:hehe nice dodge void echo, run the whole "but old testament" line while other zombie worshipers use it to hate on gays as they're eating shell fish and pork and wearing robes made from more than one textile, don't worry though i'm sure you'll find a way to spin off into some more islamophobia.
Gallente are the western ideal, Caldari are the western future, Amarr is what will happen to countries that continue to allow fundamentalist theists to interfere in the running of a state. Minmatar... just a story device to give the cool i wanna be a good guy with dreadlocks a place to be.
Wholly disagree with the assertion about the Amarr. They are would could be if theology and politics were integrated correctly over the foundations of a feudal society. I'm not sure if you are aware of what life is like in the Amarr Empire but is certainly not what most people expect.
It's normal. People work normal dead end jobs the like you'll find anywhere across the cluster. Teenagers hang out at the beach and talk about the girl or boy they like. People talk about the latest movies, their favourite Mindclash personalities, songs they've heard, etc. Sure there is an over arching religion every citizen understands to be truth and that does affect the sensibilities of the common man however not every citizen in a fanatical pro-reclaimation crusader wannabe.
EVE tends to chronicle more extreme personalities than the mundane because we're interested by them not because they are realistic representations.
Em shah tey et naGÇÖemsaer ek rahvi, amarr osedah gasi ubday pahk. Ekin tey vahka ijed div ema ziel. Et tey vamatal em.
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Posted - 2015.08.19 01:18:00 -
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Operative 1174 Uuali wrote:Gallente is France with their highbrow notions of libertine mentality. Lore says as much.
Caldari are U.S. Being militant and pragmatic with design instead of cutting edge. We prefer to build a glorified trailer rather than an actual building sometimes and furniture et al is usually derivitive and also-ran. No swiss design here. (Also Japan, see below)
Amarr are like the Catholic church (ilore says as much) of the middle ages with a dash of Islamic zealotry.
Minmatar are the poster child of any third world "victimized" peoples. Jews maybe?
Then there are the asian bloodlines (the older EVE character models were clearer about ethnicity theough facial representation than the new models)
Jin Mei are Chinese
Achura are Japanese
Khanid are Mongul (look it up, it is uncanny)
Vherokior (sp) are Vietnam/Cambodian area folks
Too simple, not enough room for cultural variation over the course of a second technological dark age nor a particularly open understanding of foreign culture or religion.
Em shah tey et naGÇÖemsaer ek rahvi, amarr osedah gasi ubday pahk. Ekin tey vahka ijed div ema ziel. Et tey vamatal em.
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