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Adipem Nothi wrote:

Poking around the patch notes ...

Uprising 1.4

* Adjusted Armor Plate attributes - HP bonus of 85/110/135 (Basic/Enhanced/Complex) and speed penalties of 2%/3%/5% (with full skill bonuses this equates to 93.5/121/148.5)
* Adjusted Ferroscale Plate attributes - HP bonus of 35/50/75 (with full skill bonuses this equates to 38.5/55/82.5)
* Adjusted Reactive Plate attributes - HP bonus of 25/40/60 and speed penalties of 0%/1%/1% (with full skill bonuses this equates to 27.5/44/66)

Uprising 1.7

* Added shield extender 3% penalty - stacking slows down the depleted shield recharge delay.

HF Alpha

Tanking Modules
Armor
GÇóWe want to reduce the stacking of plates by normalizing pg and cpu a little bit, and also increasing the speed penalty a bit.
GÇóWe also want to make repair modules a little more useful so weGÇÿre increasing repair rates by a small amount.
GÇóWe also want to make reactive and ferroscale plates more attractive by reducing the PG /CPU requirements so people will use them instead of basic armor plates when they want to maintain some speed.

Shields
GÇóThe CPM and community has been vocal on not changing multiple ehp modules at a time. As such we will not be making any changes to shield tanking until the next hotfix. This also gives us a chance to examine new data from rebalanced armor modules.

HF Bravo

In Hotfix Bravo we took a closer look at Shield Tanking, and improved nearly all Shield Modules generously across the board. We wanted to make them true alternatives to Armor Modules and hope that we will see more Shield Tankers on the battlefield from now on.

HF Delta

We are buffing Logistics in a big way by changing the Nanite Injector to heal Shields as well. Now those prototype needles are sounding great, right?

Energizers, Rechargers and Regulators are all getting a CPU reduction, combined with Projectile damage profile, we believe this will make shield tanking considerably more viable.

Warlords 1.1.3

Shield Recharge
Currently if you are running for cover and small arms fire keeps "plinking" away your health, you can't regenerate shields.

We will be adding a shield interruption threshold, much like vehicles have, to all Dropsuits. Damage less than that number will not interrupt shield recharge. This should be a big buff for shield users, and something that has been commonly requested in the past
so I am happy to see it in-game.


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Aeon Amadi Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 12	Posted - 2015.08.15 20:35:00 - [1] - Quote Things were -WAY- different back in the day though. We didn't have Reactive/Ferroscale plates, which meant you -had- to use the vanilla plates that carried a 3%, 5%, and 10% reduction to movement speed penalty respectively. Turn speed was also based on suit and mass so the heavier you were, the slower your turn speed. Suits -DID NOT- have innate armor repair so you were forced to assign at least one or more repair modules. A complete absence of hit detection meant that more mobility was better overall as you could out-strafe someone's aim because of the difficulty in actually getting the crosshair on them. Just as well, there wasn't a great deal of suits to select from. Caldari Assault was shield based, primarily, but everything else was armor based save for the Amarr Sentinel Type-2 which had an even spread of Shield and Armor HP, basically. When Uprising hit, the suit bonuses were all kind of screwy. ALL Assaults had a shield recharge bonus, which was worthless for the Amarr and Gallente. ALL Logistics has a built in 5hp/armor repair per second, which while useful for armor tankers was -far- more useful for Shield Tankers who had a higher PG/CPU than their assault counterparts and better slot layouts. Further more, the Caldari Logi actually had a bonus to Shield Extenders, if memory serves, so it could tank like a pro. This thread by Arkena Wyrnspire was pretty much -THE- consolidated thread as to why Armor sucked back in the day. But yes, if you wanted to be a pro-player you basically had to run shields back in the day. Aeon Amadi for CPM 2 Design A SKIN 2
Aeon Amadi Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 12	Posted - 2015.08.15 20:36:00 - [2] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: LT SHANKS wrote: Before Reactives and Ferroscales came out and before armour received their insane HP buffs, shields were the preferred choice of tank. I believe Shields were OP until around November of 2013. Might have been a little earlier, but we were already into Uprising before armour took over. I'd have to say they fell short once CalLogis began to lose their slaying potential. Shields were nerfed at the same time as armor was buffed. Apart from shield extenders getting a penalty to shield recharge delay, how were shields nerfed...? Aeon Amadi for CPM 2 Design A SKIN 2
Aeon Amadi Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 12	Posted - 2015.08.16 00:45:00 - [3] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Poking around the patch notes ... Uprising 1.4 * Adjusted Armor Plate attributes - HP bonus of 85/110/135 (Basic/Enhanced/Complex) and speed penalties of 2%/3%/5% (with full skill bonuses this equates to 93.5/121/148.5) * Adjusted Ferroscale Plate attributes - HP bonus of 35/50/75 (with full skill bonuses this equates to 38.5/55/82.5) * Adjusted Reactive Plate attributes - HP bonus of 25/40/60 and speed penalties of 0%/1%/1% (with full skill bonuses this equates to 27.5/44/66) Uprising 1.7 * Added shield extender 3% penalty - stacking slows down the depleted shield recharge delay. HF Alpha Tanking Modules Armor GÇóWe want to reduce the stacking of plates by normalizing pg and cpu a little bit, and also increasing the speed penalty a bit. GÇóWe also want to make repair modules a little more useful so weGÇÿre increasing repair rates by a small amount. GÇóWe also want to make reactive and ferroscale plates more attractive by reducing the PG /CPU requirements so people will use them instead of basic armor plates when they want to maintain some speed. Shields GÇóThe CPM and community has been vocal on not changing multiple ehp modules at a time. As such we will not be making any changes to shield tanking until the next hotfix. This also gives us a chance to examine new data from rebalanced armor modules. HF Bravo In Hotfix Bravo we took a closer look at Shield Tanking, and improved nearly all Shield Modules generously across the board. We wanted to make them true alternatives to Armor Modules and hope that we will see more Shield Tankers on the battlefield from now on. HF Delta We are buffing Logistics in a big way by changing the Nanite Injector to heal Shields as well. Now those prototype needles are sounding great, right? Energizers, Rechargers and Regulators are all getting a CPU reduction, combined with Projectile damage profile, we believe this will make shield tanking considerably more viable. Warlords 1.1.3 Shield Recharge Currently if you are running for cover and small arms fire keeps "plinking" away your health, you can't regenerate shields. We will be adding a shield interruption threshold, much like vehicles have, to all Dropsuits. Damage less than that number will not interrupt shield recharge. This should be a big buff for shield users, and something that has been commonly requested in the past so I am happy to see it in-game. Think we need to kill the shield depleted shield recharge delay penalty on Shield Extenders and give Regulators an additional benefit of increasing shield "plinking" damage threshold. I'm hesitant to give shields more buffer because I personally would like to see a distinction between the two tanking styles with Armor being more about buffer and shields being more about recharge, but to do that we need to emphasize the latter a bit more. Aeon Amadi for CPM 2 Design A SKIN 2
Aeon Amadi Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 12	Posted - 2015.08.16 11:31:00 - [4] - Quote Louis Domi wrote: Back near uprising 1.4(?) I think Major buffs to armor were made, Nerfs to shields. Also there was a time when the AR was OP as hell(Tac AR in particular) Again, what nerfs? Aeon Amadi for CPM 2 Design A SKIN 2