DUST Search - Swarms vs Dropships

Vegetation Monster wrote:

Larkson Crazy Eye wrote:

Eh I can't say swarms are completely fair against DS but this post hardly sways my opinion towards nerfing them. 5 mil sp is nothing any AV worth their salt put more into swarm launchers than you did DS and you complain about getting killed? Any half decent DS takes at least 3 shots to kill, even with Mim commando and 3 damage mods. As for how you kill a DS it's a lot harder than just holding RI down and eating a sandwich. The box isn't huge, the range sucks and you have to hold down to get a lock and then let go once it's locked all before the DS goes out of range, moves behind a building or you just plain get killed by their one hit kill small missile turrets

The main problem is swarms are very good against DS I can't agrue, but their pretty much the only form of AV that can really take down a DS. If your going to nerf swarms they need to buff the reset of AV in some way to make it practical to kill DS still. I mean come one only one wapon in the entire game has a decent chance of killing a DS and the pilots still complain. Infantry have to worry about just about every other weapon in the game other than swarms. Tanks have all kinds of AV from PLC, swarms, mines, grenades etc to worry about. Even small arms fire from HMG's and such can take out tanks a lot easier than DS.

So no DS are not floating bricks of death like people want them to be, but if they were ever made that way they need to sacrifice something to make them even remotely fair. After all if a DS can take a hit as good as a tank with ten times the maneuverability of a tank, why would tanks even exist?

They take more than 5 mil sp? WEll guess what buddy, 2.5 mil is just for the passive bonus to RoF (Wich is sh*t). It takes a lot of skills into armor and shields in vehicles. It probably takes a lot more sp to get into ADS than it does into proto swarms.

BTW: that one weapon is the game has a decent chance is SOOO B.S. What you meant to say is "Swarms are the only decent chance for us skill-less lazy players to kill the ADS without effort." You must not play Dust if you think that only swarms are the only way to kill ADS.

You don't have to always kill the ADS- a swarm user can deny the ADS user of that section of the map with little to no effort. BTW if you think using swarms is hard, O'boy are you in for a surprise when you try to go kill something with an ADS.

"The box isn't huge" Well guess what buddy neither is my blast radius on my Missile. Not only that, but I can't even see what I'm shooting because The ADS is in the way.

"ten times the maneuverability" You are aware that swarms are lock on right?

Also, tank can take 20x the beating an ADS can take. Since I can fit double hardeners on my tanks and have almost 3x the HP as a dropship along with sufficient cover on the ground, tanks are ez mode compared to ADS.

Seriously, guys like you are ignorant AF. Go play as an ADS pilot and comeback to me when you are successful going positive in our wallet and doing something for the team.


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Larkson Crazy Eye WarRavens 198	Posted - 2015.08.13 01:00:00 - [1] - Quote Eh I can't say swarms are completely fair against DS but this post hardly sways my opinion towards nerfing them. 5 mil sp is nothing any AV worth their salt put more into swarm launchers than you did DS and you complain about getting killed? Any half decent DS takes at least 3 shots to kill, even with Mim commando and 3 damage mods. As for how you kill a DS it's a lot harder than just holding RI down and eating a sandwich. The box isn't huge, the range sucks and you have to hold down to get a lock and then let go once it's locked all before the DS goes out of range, moves behind a building or you just plain get killed by their one hit kill small missile turrets The main problem is swarms are very good against DS I can't agrue, but their pretty much the only form of AV that can really take down a DS. If your going to nerf swarms they need to buff the reset of AV in some way to make it practical to kill DS still. I mean come one only one wapon in the entire game has a decent chance of killing a DS and the pilots still complain. Infantry have to worry about just about every other weapon in the game other than swarms. Tanks have all kinds of AV from PLC, swarms, mines, grenades etc to worry about. Even small arms fire from HMG's and such can take out tanks a lot easier than DS. So no DS are not floating bricks of death like people want them to be, but if they were ever made that way they need to sacrifice something to make them even remotely fair. After all if a DS can take a hit as good as a tank with ten times the maneuverability of a tank, why would tanks even exist? Ib Halfheart, Goblin Tactician: "Everybody but me--CHARGE!"
Larkson Crazy Eye WarRavens 198	Posted - 2015.08.13 02:14:00 - [2] - Quote Vegetation Monster wrote: Larkson Crazy Eye wrote: Eh I can't say swarms are completely fair against DS but this post hardly sways my opinion towards nerfing them. 5 mil sp is nothing any AV worth their salt put more into swarm launchers than you did DS and you complain about getting killed? Any half decent DS takes at least 3 shots to kill, even with Mim commando and 3 damage mods. As for how you kill a DS it's a lot harder than just holding RI down and eating a sandwich. The box isn't huge, the range sucks and you have to hold down to get a lock and then let go once it's locked all before the DS goes out of range, moves behind a building or you just plain get killed by their one hit kill small missile turrets The main problem is swarms are very good against DS I can't agrue, but their pretty much the only form of AV that can really take down a DS. If your going to nerf swarms they need to buff the reset of AV in some way to make it practical to kill DS still. I mean come one only one wapon in the entire game has a decent chance of killing a DS and the pilots still complain. Infantry have to worry about just about every other weapon in the game other than swarms. Tanks have all kinds of AV from PLC, swarms, mines, grenades etc to worry about. Even small arms fire from HMG's and such can take out tanks a lot easier than DS. So no DS are not floating bricks of death like people want them to be, but if they were ever made that way they need to sacrifice something to make them even remotely fair. After all if a DS can take a hit as good as a tank with ten times the maneuverability of a tank, why would tanks even exist? They take more than 5 mil sp? WEll guess what buddy, 2.5 mil is just for the passive bonus to RoF (Wich is sh*t). It takes a lot of skills into armor and shields in vehicles. It probably takes a lot more sp to get into ADS than it does into proto swarms. BTW: that one weapon is the game has a decent chance is SOOO B.S. What you meant to say is "Swarms are the only decent chance for us skill-less lazy players to kill the ADS without effort." You must not play Dust if you think that only swarms are the only way to kill ADS. You don't have to always kill the ADS- a swarm user can deny the ADS user of that section of the map with little to no effort. BTW if you think using swarms is hard, O'boy are you in for a surprise when you try to go kill something with an ADS. "The box isn't huge" Well guess what buddy neither is my blast radius on my Missile. Not only that, but I can't even see what I'm shooting because The ADS is in the way. "ten times the maneuverability" You are aware that swarms are lock on right? Also, tank can take 20x the beating an ADS can take. Since I can fit double hardeners on my tanks and have almost 3x the HP as a dropship along with sufficient cover on the ground, tanks are ez mode compared to ADS. Seriously, guys like you are ignorant AF. Go play as an ADS pilot and comeback to me when you are successful going positive in our wallet and doing something for the team. Eh I guess you can call me lazy because I'm not going to read that rant because I can tell within a few words that you didn't read mine. Like a true fanatic you pick and choose a few words to respond to and ignore the rest. ADS are something they tacked onto the game, the game shouldn't adapt to ADS , they should be forced to work with the game. Swarms existed before drop ships were even a pipe dream and I highly doubt they need nerfed even more to make room for a single vehicle that serves almost no real purpose on the battle field unless it's an unstoppable killing machine. Which was what my post was talking about... if you got your wish it be a flying tank. One that has a heck of lot more speed and maneuverability. Ib Halfheart, Goblin Tactician: "Everybody but me--CHARGE!"
Larkson Crazy Eye WarRavens 200	Posted - 2015.08.13 05:30:00 - [3] - Quote maybe deadcatz wrote: Or make assault swarm launchers only lock on to ads ships and standard swarm launched for ground vehicles. I like pie. Only problem with that is those assault swarms better one shot those ADS to be even remotely worth it. Your talking about making an already specialized weapon (useless vs infantry and weak to shields) even more specialized. Unless you plan to also nerf every other form of AV to only be useful against one thing it would hardly be fair. Sure hitting a moving ADS with a PLC is hard but possible while the PLC still one shots infantry. Forge guns have lost a lot of their edge against infantry, but it's still possible and they are one of the most deadly and accurate weapons to snipe with right now while still wrecking vehicles if they have enough range. The ROF for most forge guns could use a lot of work in terms of actually killing ADS and other fast vehicles before they simply run away. Ib Halfheart, Goblin Tactician: "Everybody but me--CHARGE!"