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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
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Posted - 2015.08.03 09:53:00 -
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Gv.0 issue isn't the cannon, it's the combo of hardener and regen.
You actually need to fit a module to make the heavy blaster accurate vs infantry. It's also an active mod. Otherwise the dispersion is stupid wide.
It just comes back to the fact that 1 player doesn't equal one player.
And as long as it takes 6-7 matches for an average player to afford a single Gv.0 there will always be a demand they be functionally overpowered in play.
WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
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Posted - 2015.08.04 07:56:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:
Sounds great! Let's work on that. Meanwhile, Large Blasters are ridiculously effective at killing infantry. And everything else, for that matter. How 'bout we make them less so, as an interim fix, while we contemplate and debate what "intended role" would be good and balanced.
Adipem this post comes off like:
"You make good counterpoints! But we're going to ignore them in favor of discussing how we're going to nerf your sh*t."
This is the source of 99% of hostile reactions to your posts. Might want to check how you phrase things.
Large turret machinegun is IMHO a sh*t design. I'm with adamance on this. The HAV cannons don't feel like cannons.
The heavy blaster feels like a scaled up .50 cal.
The railgun is functionally identical to the bolt pistol for tankhunting.
It's not "too effective at killing infantry." It's utterly sh*t for killing infantry. Tank drivers are fitting the active mod that makes them shoot straight, and the ones who do it sacrifice their ability to use the nigh unto biblically difficult to kill madrugars.
So no, the premise of this post is pretty bad.
WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
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Posted - 2015.08.04 15:30:00 -
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I see you didn't read my posts about blasters requiring a dispersion mod. Good show.
And bluntly, low to mid HP suits die fast. It's what they do. It's not unfair. It's the price you pay for your fitting choices.
Every suit has strength and weakness. Low base HP suits have higher mobility but pay for that with fragility.
And bluntly I think your penchant gor demanding nerfs for every damn thing under the sun is annoying as sh*t. Never once in the last three months can I recall you suggesting that something be brought up to match the competition. Just incessant demands that this be nerfed, that be nerfed, and your argument is always "low HP suits."
Low HP suits are fragile. Working as intended, move the f*ck along.
WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
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Posted - 2015.08.04 15:37:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:
You read that right.
Then I have absolutely no respect for this line of argument and will not bother trying to be civil, because that tack of debate is ass. I consider the people who use it to be self-entitled little pricks barely worthy of notice much less respect.
WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
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Posted - 2015.08.04 16:40:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:
You read that right.
Then I have absolutely no respect for this line of argument and will not bother trying to be civil, because that tack of debate is ass. I consider the people who consider it acceptable it to be self-entitled little pricks barely worthy of notice much less respect. If your horse is too high or brow too furrowed to hear an informed opinion, then so be it. Though this begs the question. If you can't be bothered to hear informed opinions, what opinions will you hear if elected CPM?
Because dismissing other peoples' points as though they were irrelevant isn't exactly what most consider worthwhile debate. It's an indication that you have no intent to actually debate or discuss. Hence, "Well, you make a good point, but we're going to ignore that and discuss how you're needing to be nerfed ANYWAY" is the debate tack of someone I have no interest in engaging.
It's not a sign of an informed opinion. It's a sign of someone sticking their fingers in their ears and going LALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU!!!"
WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
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Posted - 2015.08.04 17:33:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:You seem to have completely missed my point, Breakin. Whether or not you approve of my delivery, the point remains:
There's no harm in hammering out far fetched ideals. Sounds like fun. But let's also put into play a practical, interim response to the very real problem at hand. We can do both, and what good reason is there not to?
I don't get the impression that's your intent when you skip over rather critical points people make in refutation or support of an argument. It is very much like you're bypassing arguments you don't want to address or deal with as you go and picking the outliers that are weaker.
WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
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Posted - 2015.08.04 19:15:00 -
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Hehehehe.
Not often I see a tank driver declare checkmate on themselves.
Very well, Given Tebu's generous contribution, I concede, Heavy Blaster Turrets are too effective against Infantry.
You win this round Nothi, I will no longer defend tank firepower vs. Light suits.
WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
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Posted - 2015.08.04 20:03:00 -
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Always happy to show you the same respect and consideration you show to those who disagree with you Adipem.
None.
WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
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Posted - 2015.08.06 10:10:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:
Sure the whole 1 player = 1 player thing can be spouted by I should be able to make myself worth those 2-3 players if I am good at what I am doing.
by the same token, a skilled AV gunner should be able to negate that need for 2-3 players. Therein lies the problem. You can't.
And bluntly the ISK cost of vehicles justifies it.
ISK may not be a balance metric. But it affects the choices and tactics players use. If tanks were solidly able to be countered by a dedicated AVer who actually doesn't suck, they would be considered UP by the playera because of the 10x ISK multiplier.
If a Gv.0 cost 350,000-400,000 fully fit and the cost of lesser HAVs proportionally less? Less room to argue the ISK cost complaint. More room for dedicated AV gunners and less reason for literally everyone to max out (insert AV of choice here).
But we have had 2 years of tanks being alternately utter ass or being nigh unto unstoppable.
And those nigh unto unstoppable combined with LAVs require weapons you fight tanks with to stop (dropships could literally go either way, I think needing AV guns is the better choice) creates a meta where one of the first things taught to every newbie under the sun is that they have to have proto AV and AV nades yesterday.
Honestly the length of time we have had this jacked up meta we would need an SP reset or get 10x the current number of players to get out from under the "Everyone needs AV" meta.
WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
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