DUST Search - Can we get shield regulators to affect the shield inhibition value?

Mobius Kaethis wrote:

Mina Longstrike wrote:

Currently I'm finding on shield suits, that the shield inhibition value almost never actually comes into play. Is it possible that would get shield regulators to also increase the shield inhibition value (by the same amount the module affects delays, so 15 / 25 / 35%)

Or could we maybe get the base value buffed up to somewhere around 9-10?

For examples if we were to buff the inhibition value to 10 and allow regs to also modify it by the same percentage that they do delays we would get the following numbers

(assuming max skills for regs)
Basic reg values : 16.50%, 14.34%, 9.41%, 4.67%, 1.75%
Enh reg values: 27.50%, 23.90%, 15.69%, 7.78%, 2.91%
Complex reg values: 38.50%, 33.46%, 21.97%, 10.89%, 4.08%

Modules stacking penalties are structured from highest to lowest base values (so 1 cplx, 1 adv and 1 basic would be 38.5, 23.9, 9.41, multiplicative)

Highest achievable on a cal assault with 3 complex mods would put shield inhibition up to about 22.55 points to break, the highest max possible on something like a logibro's would be ~26 points to stop recharge.

I don't know if I like this idea or not at this point.

It is true that sheilds definitely need something to even the playing field with armor but is this the right move? Couldn't this make shields too powerful by completely overcoming their largest weakness?

A prudent way of doing this would be to make a small change to either the base inhibition value of the suits or give a small inhibition boost to the regulators (something on the order of (5%/10%/15% for basic/advanced/proto respectively). These numbers can easily be tweeked server side once this change is put into effect.

Mina, you and I often (okay almost always) disagree but I'm not disagreeing with you here. I'd just like to see any change come with a lot of caution since we are in the best state of balance we have been in for a while and avoiding the buff/nerf cycle should be high on everyone's priority list.

One more question: How does this square with the EvE cannon with regards to shields vs armor? I feel like this may be breaking one of the mechanics that makes shields and armor unique though I could be wrong.

Em shah tey et naGÇÖemsaer ek rahvi, amarr osedah gasi ubday pahk. Ekin tey vahka ijed div ema ziel. Et tey vamatal em.

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True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 20	Posted - 2015.07.31 00:27:00 - [1] - Quote Can't really argue against it until we see it in action but that's a ******* awesome Caldari Assault fit you could theoretically make. Admittedly Protofits isn't the most reliable of sources but..... Full Proto Weapon Loadout w/ Core Locus 613 Shields 52 Regen Per Second 1.6 Standard Delay 2.5 Depleted Delay 22.5 (x3 Complex Regs) required to break reps That Cal Assault has more total HP than my Ak.0..... and hell it doesn't even need armour modules. Em shah tey et naGÇÖemsaer ek rahvi, amarr osedah gasi ubday pahk. Ekin tey vahka ijed div ema ziel. Et tey vamatal em.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 20	Posted - 2015.07.31 01:58:00 - [2] - Quote Sicerly Yaw wrote: True Adamance wrote: Can't really argue against it until we see it in action but that's a ******* awesome Caldari Assault fit you could theoretically make. Admittedly Protofits isn't the most reliable of sources but..... Full Proto Weapon Loadout w/ Core Locus 613 Shields 52 Regen Per Second 1.6 Standard Delay 2.5 Depleted Delay 22.5 (x3 Complex Regs) required to break reps That Cal Assault has more total HP than my Ak.0..... and hell it doesn't even need armour modules. more total HP then an AK.0? you can stack about 1k armor on an AK.0 and rep just as fast or faster trough use of triage hives or a logi there's no worry for a delay or having to worry to stay at range so the threshold isn't broken, and the ScR can still take it out in under a second even at range although I agree it would be interesting to see a competitive shiled suit demolish armor users but that's already possible the threshold doesn't change much What moron stacks armour and then in incapable of rapidly moving around the map? Amarr Kiting > Amarr Raw Armour Em shah tey et naGÇÖemsaer ek rahvi, amarr osedah gasi ubday pahk. Ekin tey vahka ijed div ema ziel. Et tey vamatal em.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 20	Posted - 2015.07.31 02:37:00 - [3] - Quote Mobius Kaethis wrote: Mina Longstrike wrote: Currently I'm finding on shield suits, that the shield inhibition value almost never actually comes into play. Is it possible that would get shield regulators to also increase the shield inhibition value (by the same amount the module affects delays, so 15 / 25 / 35%) Or could we maybe get the base value buffed up to somewhere around 9-10? For examples if we were to buff the inhibition value to 10 and allow regs to also modify it by the same percentage that they do delays we would get the following numbers (assuming max skills for regs) Basic reg values : 16.50%, 14.34%, 9.41%, 4.67%, 1.75% Enh reg values: 27.50%, 23.90%, 15.69%, 7.78%, 2.91% Complex reg values: 38.50%, 33.46%, 21.97%, 10.89%, 4.08% Modules stacking penalties are structured from highest to lowest base values (so 1 cplx, 1 adv and 1 basic would be 38.5, 23.9, 9.41, multiplicative) Highest achievable on a cal assault with 3 complex mods would put shield inhibition up to about 22.55 points to break, the highest max possible on something like a logibro's would be ~26 points to stop recharge. I don't know if I like this idea or not at this point. It is true that sheilds definitely need something to even the playing field with armor but is this the right move? Couldn't this make shields too powerful by completely overcoming their largest weakness? A prudent way of doing this would be to make a small change to either the base inhibition value of the suits or give a small inhibition boost to the regulators (something on the order of (5%/10%/15% for basic/advanced/proto respectively). These numbers can easily be tweeked server side once this change is put into effect. Mina, you and I often (okay almost always) disagree but I'm not disagreeing with you here. I'd just like to see any change come with a lot of caution since we are in the best state of balance we have been in for a while and avoiding the buff/nerf cycle should be high on everyone's priority list. One more question: How does this square with the EvE cannon with regards to shields vs armor? I feel like this may be breaking one of the mechanics that makes shields and armor unique though I could be wrong. In EVE Shields actually work more like armour an repair in small passive increments over long durations. Armour does not naturally self repair at all but typically receives more in the way of raw HP. Both come with penalties, Shields get Signature Radius penalties while Armour usually comes with inertia/mass modifiers. Both however can attain roughly equal levels of eHP. Disclaimer: This from my limited understanding of the technical side of EVE. Em shah tey et naGÇÖemsaer ek rahvi, amarr osedah gasi ubday pahk. Ekin tey vahka ijed div ema ziel. Et tey vamatal em.