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Tesfa Alem
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Posted - 2015.07.31 11:16:00 -
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Bolt pistol has been OP for a long time. Thery do as much damage per tier per shot as do sniper rifles.
Pro
Ishukone Sniper Rifle: 250 base damage
Kaalakiota Bolt Pistol: 251 base damge
Adv
NT5-11 Sniper Rifle: 240 base damage
SR-25 Bolt Pistol: 240.5 base damage
Std
Sniper Rifle: 230 base damage
Bolt Pistol: 229 base damage
To say the numbers don't demonstrate a wildly overpowered sidearm means you take every single reason why we have dont have hipfire crosshairs on sniper rifles, and sway when standing up and pretend it doesnt exist for the bolt pistol.
For sniper rifles that massive damage is supoosed to come at a cost of range. Bolt pistols have great range, its 100% efficiency is at 47 m. 7 meters farther than the Assault rifle.
The other sidearms by comparision:
SMG : 25m
Magsec :44m
Ion Pistol : 22 m
Assault Scrambler: 33 m
The exception is the Flaylock Pistol: 52 m range. Yet it has zero aim assist, and the core does 192 damage base to the kaalakiota bolt pistols 251.
The numbers show the bolt pistol is a medium range sniper rifle sidearm with hip fire cross hairs, a good dose of aim assist to boot, at the cost of 1 round per clip. 4 to the sniper rifle's 5
Now if you don't believe that the bolt is OP, and a reasonable sidearm, then we should give sniper rifles the same hipfire cross hair and remove all sway when standing. It has the same stats as the bolt pistol, so why not make them just as usefull in CQC?
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Tesfa Alem
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Posted - 2015.07.31 12:54:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:And yet the assault rifle kills significantly faster than the bolt pistol against everyone who has a HP mod count of more than zero (and not in a scout suit)
If you're going to bring math to prop up your assertion please bring ALL of the math, to include both examples, overall DPS and average TTK rather than presenting the base alpha and saying "clearly as you can see this is OP."
Also please compare damage values after the headshot modifiers are applied and consider a difference of about 353 meters in favor of the sniper.
Posting the alpha and screaming about imbalance without putting everything on the table is disingenuous and deceptive.
I didnt say the Bolt pistols kill faster than ARs.
There is a reason why nppbpdy is comparing the Bolt Pistol as a sidearms to other sidearms. We are comparing it to light weapons, becuase it has the range of a light weapon as well as the damage output of a light weapon.
Every other sidearm has a drawback to its power. They all give up either acuaracy (flaylock, magsec) or range (Scrambler Pistol, SMG, Ion Pistol) for damage.
The bolt pistol has excellent range, pinpoint accuarcy and Sniper Rifle levels of damage. You can two shot any suit with 686 armor or less at 47 meters. With zero proficiency. Prof 5 does 788 in two shots. Thats not just scouts anymore thats most assault suits dead with two bullets. This is OP as balls.
Nobody is saying the bolt pistol shouldn't put down suits. But it certainly ought take more than 4 shots to do it.
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Posted - 2015.07.31 13:47:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:Tesfa Alem wrote:
Nobody is saying the bolt pistol shouldn't put down suits. But it certainly ought take more than 4 shots to do it.
No other weapon requires more than a full mag/2 seconds to kill any dropsuit. Why should the BP be the sole exception to this rule? Please use a better argument than " its op."
The issue isn't the damage per magazine. The issue is the low number of shots it takes to kill a suit. Because the shot count per mag is so low, it has to a vastly disproptionate amount of damage per shot. That extreme damage per shot makes kills very easy to get.
Where I have to take 5 shots with a proto breach scrambler pistol to get through 500 hp, i only need 2 from the proto bolt.
What i'm saying is it needs to be less damage per shot, more shots per magazine. It has the long range to take those extra shots, and then missing any shots with that spool time would matter. Right now, it doesnt.
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Posted - 2015.07.31 14:20:00 -
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Sicerly Yaw wrote:Tesfa Alem wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:Tesfa Alem wrote:
Nobody is saying the bolt pistol shouldn't put down suits. But it certainly ought take more than 4 shots to do it.
No other weapon requires more than a full mag/2 seconds to kill any dropsuit. Why should the BP be the sole exception to this rule? Please use a better argument than " its op." The issue isn't the damage per magazine. The issue is the low number of shots it takes to kill a suit. Because the shot count per mag is so low, it has to a vastly disproptionate amount of damage per shot. That extreme damage per shot makes kills very easy to get. Where I have to take 5 shots with a proto breach scrambler pistol to get through 500 hp, i only need 2 from the proto bolt. What i'm saying is it needs to be less damage per shot, more shots per magazine. It has the long range to take those extra shots, and then missing any shots with that spool time would matter. Right now, it doesnt. did you miss the part of my post where I mentioned the 400% head shot damge of the ScP not only that but the ScP is a anti shiled weapon where the BP is anti armor so comparing the two doesn't justify anything 10% +- profile for BP 20% +- profile for the ScP and the ScP gets more shots per clip then the ScP so more total possible damge
You think the Bolt pistol doesnt have a headshot multiplier? (it does)
I wast comparing the number of shots without the + - proile, just with base numbers. Bolt Pistol does 298 dps where the Scrambler does 242 at 14 meters father away. So yes teh bolt pistol does kill faster at a much longer range as well.
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