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True Adamance wrote:

Jaysyn Larrisen wrote:

True Adamance wrote:

Jaysyn Larrisen wrote:

1) The Amarr seems in the best shape in terms of ranks and titles. No lack of Paladin, Crusader, Templar, Seraph, Cyber Knight, Empresses Hand, etc that you can dip into.

I cannot substantiate anything relating to Seraph or Empresses Hand though I must admit neither sounds particularly likely to actually be a rank within the Imperial/Empire military.

Which I reiterate once more Dust 514 players are not a part of in any official capacity.

True, I should have clarified. I was mixing known New Eden lore and titles that were more in the spirit of things. I am often a mild lore stickler but in this case i think Dust players should have a little creative license to make this something unique to us.

And this is why I put no stock in this process. This isn't lore. It's an en masse submission of random and fanciful names supplied by the community with no context or purpose and wholly separate from EVE in its entirety.

Rather than focus on introducing and arbitrary series of titles that have no purpose and provide no insight into the universe of New Eden why not focus on actually bringing the context, story arcs, and histories of existing New Eden content into the fore of Dust. We've tried this before and no one was happy with the previous results.


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Jaysyn Larrisen OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1	Posted - 2015.07.28 21:08:00 - [1] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: What would be the toughest types of mercs/soldiers that earn their way to being the absolute highest ranks within each Faction Let's say the Empress's Bodyguards, or the Navy Seals of Gallente, etc. What could be a cool name for these types of elite soldiers per Faction. Feel free to inspire me Amarr: Echelon, Templars, Chosen, I'm of course a huge fan of the W40k mythos and always loved the concept of power curve human>human soldier>human hero without enhancement> space marine > space marine hero > primarch > custodian (elite bodyguard) > emperor Very nice thread starter and major kudos for the WH40K reference. Just a couple thoughts on this: 1) The Amarr seems in the best shape in terms of ranks and titles. No lack of Paladin, Crusader, Templar, Seraph, Cyber Knight, Empresses Hand, etc that you can dip into. 2) The Minmatar have some pretty good options on the table by dipping into animal (Ghost Wolves), forces of nature (Dust Devils), weapons (Shield Chief, Dagger Captain, etc), or specific tribal pieces (Thukker Long Hunter, Brutor Khan). You could mix in a bit of Viking-esqe titles such as "Jarl" but i recommend keeping it a little bit less culturally specific (more on this in a sec). 3) The Gallante start getting a little thin once you get past the Black Eagles if you are going pure lore. I think you may want to branch out with some other titles that hit the vibe of the Gallante that evoke the glam democratic facade they have. How about something like Icon, Warbird, Patriot, or Liberator. 4) Finally the Caldari - I think arguably the most difficult since folks drive to very obscure and difficult to understand Fino-Nipponese mish mashes. My opinion is that you need to keep this less culturally specific to our viewpoint and again go more for the vibe. As noted by others rarely do the Caldari ships have these type of monikers so why should we? Some examples for Caldari Mercs: Operative, Privateer, Raptor Commander, Longstrike Specialist, Veteran Contractor. Again...this is my opinion and i'm quite keen to help out with this. "Endless money forms the sinews of War." - Cicero Skype: jaysyn.larrisen Twitter: @JaysynLarrisen
Jaysyn Larrisen OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1	Posted - 2015.07.28 21:41:00 - [2] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Jaysyn Larrisen wrote: 1) The Amarr seems in the best shape in terms of ranks and titles. No lack of Paladin, Crusader, Templar, Seraph, Cyber Knight, Empresses Hand, etc that you can dip into. I cannot substantiate anything relating to Seraph or Empresses Hand though I must admit neither sounds particularly likely to actually be a rank within the Imperial/Empire military. Which I reiterate once more Dust 514 players are not a part of in any official capacity. True, I should have clarified. I was mixing known New Eden lore and titles that were more in the spirit of things. I am often a mild lore stickler but in this case i think Dust players should have a little creative license to make this something unique to us. "Endless money forms the sinews of War." - Cicero Skype: jaysyn.larrisen Twitter: @JaysynLarrisen
Jaysyn Larrisen OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1	Posted - 2015.07.28 22:12:00 - [3] - Quote Aeon - will you add us to the Trello or do you just want succinct lists by faction in this thread and you add them? "Endless money forms the sinews of War." - Cicero Skype: jaysyn.larrisen Twitter: @JaysynLarrisen
Jaysyn Larrisen OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1	Posted - 2015.07.28 22:20:00 - [4] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Jaysyn Larrisen wrote: True Adamance wrote: Jaysyn Larrisen wrote: 1) The Amarr seems in the best shape in terms of ranks and titles. No lack of Paladin, Crusader, Templar, Seraph, Cyber Knight, Empresses Hand, etc that you can dip into. I cannot substantiate anything relating to Seraph or Empresses Hand though I must admit neither sounds particularly likely to actually be a rank within the Imperial/Empire military. Which I reiterate once more Dust 514 players are not a part of in any official capacity. True, I should have clarified. I was mixing known New Eden lore and titles that were more in the spirit of things. I am often a mild lore stickler but in this case i think Dust players should have a little creative license to make this something unique to us. And this is why I put no stock in this process. This isn't lore. It's an en masse submission of random and fanciful names supplied by the community with no context or purpose and wholly separate from EVE in its entirety. Rather than focus on introducing and arbitrary series of titles that have no purpose and provide no insight into the universe of New Eden why not focus on actually bringing the context, story arcs, and histories of existing New Eden content into the fore of Dust. We've tried this before and no one was happy with the previous results. Ok...if there is no canon lore to cover the Rattati's question - why not submit arbitrary names. You'll note in the OP he clearly is looking for titles of mercenaries and war band leaders that invoke certain connotations and many of the ones folks are throwing on the table (myself included) are perhaps more FW specific. Titles are not limited to just the paper thin slices of lore that address ground forces in New Eden. "Endless money forms the sinews of War." - Cicero Skype: jaysyn.larrisen Twitter: @JaysynLarrisen
Jaysyn Larrisen OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1	Posted - 2015.07.28 22:33:00 - [5] - Quote Agreed, Mina. I have no issue with it and if a blurb need to be created I don't mind taking a shot. That said, I honestly think we collectively overthink and dissect it with too fine a scalpel every time Rattati gives us an opening on these types of things. I think Aeon's rules on his proposed Trello are fairly practical and work well. "Endless money forms the sinews of War." - Cicero Skype: jaysyn.larrisen Twitter: @JaysynLarrisen
Jaysyn Larrisen OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1	Posted - 2015.07.29 00:56:00 - [6] - Quote True Adamance wrote: The above post by MIna is how I feel on the matter. I apologise to you Jaysyn.... was rather abrupt with you. Once again I'll admit it is passion for the subject matter masquerading as something else. I don't care about much in this game any more but the lore is one thing I'd hate to see iterated upon poorly. No worries - I certainly appreciate the passion for the subject and no need for you and I to joust on something we both want to see done well. "Endless money forms the sinews of War." - Cicero Skype: jaysyn.larrisen Twitter: @JaysynLarrisen