DUST Search - Laser Rifles are OP.

Bradric Banewolf wrote:

Mina Longstrike wrote:

I was poking about on the SDE earlier and worked out that laser rifles had a RoF of 750rpm / 12.5rps... which ~~I believe~~ puts them well above rail rifles in terms of damage per magazine, range and general damage output (std rail is 360ish something neutral dps, arr is 380ish), especially after it's fired about 30-40 rounds.

An amarr assault has a burn time of 6.4 seconds (80 rounds @ 12.5rounds/sec), and laser damage formula is dmg = base dmg + (scalar * # of shots fired consecutively).

Scalar = .85 on basic, to 1.10 on proto (adv should be right in the middle of basic / pro, not sure what officer scalar is).

So at 35 rounds (2.8s of fire) on a basic LR, the LR is doing 46.75 damage (roughly matching the RR's 47, assuming neutral profile & no proficiency), every round fired from that point on only increases LR damage even further... and this is on a gun that doesn't disperse or kick.

Quite a good weapon.

I'd work out a dps chart type thing, but I'm not an excel wizard... I last used it like 10 years ago.

I saw this post, and left it alone....

But this IS pretty scary?! In open fields it's a fierce weapon with all that range, but it is no good in cqc.

Now if they could figure that out about the scrambler.... the cqc part...

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True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 20	Posted - 2015.07.27 23:11:00 - [1] - Quote They get way too many people hot and bothered. #OPPLZNURF #Amarrdropitlikeitshot #Empressturninguptheheat Em shah tey et naGÇÖemsaer ek rahvi, amarr osedah gasi ubday pahk. Ekin tey vahka ijed div ema ziel. Et tey vamatal em.
Nocturnal Soul Primordial Threat 7	Posted - 2015.07.27 23:20:00 - [2] - Quote Missiles are OP "The Wrath of God is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited."
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 20	Posted - 2015.07.27 23:23:00 - [3] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: Missiles are OP Khanid Scrub! Em shah tey et naGÇÖemsaer ek rahvi, amarr osedah gasi ubday pahk. Ekin tey vahka ijed div ema ziel. Et tey vamatal em.
Georgia Xavier Incorruptibles 992	Posted - 2015.07.27 23:32:00 - [4] - Quote What I'm afraid of is there are people out there who will take this seriously and make spreadsheets about the laser rifle Click for an instant good day! (or atleast cheer you up a bit)
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 20	Posted - 2015.07.27 23:36:00 - [5] - Quote Georgia Xavier wrote: What I'm afraid of is there are people out there who will take this seriously and make spreadsheets about the laser rifle I have Thaddeus. No one can out spreadsheet that man.....not even Pokey Dravon. Our Amarrian Harvey Dent will protect Gotham City by day. My snarky and barbed quips shall protect the Empire by night! Em shah tey et naGÇÖemsaer ek rahvi, amarr osedah gasi ubday pahk. Ekin tey vahka ijed div ema ziel. Et tey vamatal em.
LOL KILLZ LOS INADAPTADOS 271	Posted - 2015.07.27 23:39:00 - [6] - Quote How does a buff sound? GREAT you say? YAY!!!!!! \0/
Nocturnal Soul Primordial Threat 7	Posted - 2015.07.27 23:57:00 - [7] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: Missiles are OP Khanid Scrub! It'd be pretty cool if running would increase the damage of something like the Flaylock. "The Wrath of God is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited."
Mortishai Belmont G.L.O.R.Y 806	Posted - 2015.07.28 00:11:00 - [8] - Quote Hashtags make me wanna cry, especially seeing them on Dust forums The C.EO. of G.L.O.R.Y, (~..)~ Now on Youtube ~(..~)
Regnier Feros Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 548	Posted - 2015.07.28 00:22:00 - [9] - Quote True Adamance wrote: They get way too many people hot and bothered. #OPPLZNURF #Amarrdropitlikeitshot #Empressturninguptheheat Takes off helmet reveals another helmet GG XD ZariaOwnsWhips
D4GG3R 0uter.Heaven 1	Posted - 2015.07.28 00:22:00 - [10] - Quote Mortishai Belmont wrote: Hashtags make me wanna cry, especially seeing them on Dust forums #2turnt2care I'm pretty plain. I watch anime for the boobs

Radiant Pancake3 Destinys Immortals Rise Of Legion. 527	Posted - 2015.07.28 00:26:00 - [11] - Quote #DuctTapeIsSurpeororToLaserHeat Hopes up 4 Logi vehicles Join Logi Heaven! Chat: "Triage Ward" Min Loyalist
Lac Nokomis Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 124	Posted - 2015.07.28 00:28:00 - [12] - Quote Wait true... You logged into dust?!? What?!?!
XxBlazikenxX Vader's-Fist 1	Posted - 2015.07.28 00:29:00 - [13] - Quote Radiant Pancake3 wrote: #DuctTapeIsSurpeororToLaserHeat #Imgonnaeatyou CCP Archduke is the best GM Founder of the Armory
Radiant Pancake3 Destinys Immortals Rise Of Legion. 529	Posted - 2015.07.28 00:30:00 - [14] - Quote XxBlazikenxX wrote: Radiant Pancake3 wrote: #DuctTapeIsSurpeororToLaserHeat #Imgonnaeatyou #YouCouldn'tEvenIfYouTried Hopes up 4 Logi vehicles Join Logi Heaven! Chat: "Triage Ward" Min Loyalist
XxBlazikenxX Vader's-Fist 1	Posted - 2015.07.28 00:31:00 - [15] - Quote Radiant Pancake3 wrote: XxBlazikenxX wrote: Radiant Pancake3 wrote: #DuctTapeIsSurpeororToLaserHeat #Imgonnaeatyou #YouCouldn'tEvenIfYouTried #ForkAndKnifeFTW CCP Archduke is the best GM Founder of the Armory
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 20	Posted - 2015.07.28 00:37:00 - [16] - Quote Lac Nokomis wrote: Wait true... You logged into dust?!? What?!?! For the last few weeks now...... someone has to defend the Empire from you heathen lot.... might as well be me. Em shah tey et naGÇÖemsaer ek rahvi, amarr osedah gasi ubday pahk. Ekin tey vahka ijed div ema ziel. Et tey vamatal em.
VAHZZ Vader's-Fist 5	Posted - 2015.07.28 00:40:00 - [17] - Quote True, hush your tushie! They must not know! I shall never give it up!!!
D4GG3R 0uter.Heaven 1	Posted - 2015.07.28 00:40:00 - [18] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Lac Nokomis wrote: Wait true... You logged into dust?!? What?!?! For the last few weeks now...... someone has to defend the Empire from you heathen lot.... might as well be me. Imposter true adamance^ I'm pretty plain. I watch anime for the boobs
VAHZZ Vader's-Fist 5	Posted - 2015.07.28 00:41:00 - [19] - Quote Mortishai Belmont wrote: Hashtags make me wanna cry, especially seeing them on Dust forums #FABULOUSAF
Mina Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 3	Posted - 2015.07.28 00:52:00 - [20] - Quote I was poking about on the SDE earlier and worked out that laser rifles had a RoF of 750rpm / 12.5rps... which ~~I believe~~ puts them well above rail rifles in terms of damage per magazine, range and general damage output (std rail is 360ish something neutral dps, arr is 380ish), especially after it's fired about 30-40 rounds. An amarr assault has a burn time of 6.4 seconds (80 rounds @ 12.5rounds/sec), and laser damage formula is dmg = base dmg + (scalar * # of shots fired consecutively). Scalar = .85 on basic, to 1.10 on proto (adv should be right in the middle of basic / pro, not sure what officer scalar is). So at 35 rounds (2.8s of fire) on a basic LR, the LR is doing 46.75 damage (roughly matching the RR's 47, assuming neutral profile & no proficiency), every round fired from that point on only increases LR damage even further... and this is on a gun that doesn't disperse or kick. Quite a good weapon. I'd work out a dps chart type thing, but I'm not an excel wizard. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.

Georgia Xavier Incorruptibles 996	Posted - 2015.07.28 01:30:00 - [21] - Quote Radiant Pancake3 wrote: #DuctTapeIsSurpeororToLaserHeat lol Click for an instant good day! (or atleast cheer you up a bit)
Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD RUST415 1	Posted - 2015.07.28 02:14:00 - [22] - Quote Mina Longstrike wrote: I was poking about on the SDE earlier and worked out that laser rifles had a RoF of 750rpm / 12.5rps... which ~~I believe~~ puts them well above rail rifles in terms of damage per magazine, range and general damage output (std rail is 360ish something neutral dps, arr is 380ish), especially after it's fired about 30-40 rounds. An amarr assault has a burn time of 6.4 seconds (80 rounds @ 12.5rounds/sec), and laser damage formula is dmg = base dmg + (scalar * # of shots fired consecutively). Scalar = .85 on basic, to 1.10 on proto (adv should be right in the middle of basic / pro, not sure what officer scalar is). So at 35 rounds (2.8s of fire) on a basic LR, the LR is doing 46.75 damage (roughly matching the RR's 47, assuming neutral profile & no proficiency), every round fired from that point on only increases LR damage even further... and this is on a gun that doesn't disperse or kick. Quite a good weapon. I'd work out a dps chart type thing, but I'm not an excel wizard... I last used it like 10 years ago. I saw this post, and left it alone.... But this IS pretty scary?! In open fields it's a fierce weapon with all that range, but it is no good in cqc. Now if they could figure that out about the scrambler.... the cqc part... "Anybody order chaos?"
Forever ETC Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 1	Posted - 2015.07.28 04:54:00 - [23] - Quote Bradric Banewolf wrote: Mina Longstrike wrote: I was poking about on the SDE earlier and worked out that laser rifles had a RoF of 750rpm / 12.5rps... which ~~I believe~~ puts them well above rail rifles in terms of damage per magazine, range and general damage output (std rail is 360ish something neutral dps, arr is 380ish), especially after it's fired about 30-40 rounds. An amarr assault has a burn time of 6.4 seconds (80 rounds @ 12.5rounds/sec), and laser damage formula is dmg = base dmg + (scalar * # of shots fired consecutively). Scalar = .85 on basic, to 1.10 on proto (adv should be right in the middle of basic / pro, not sure what officer scalar is). So at 35 rounds (2.8s of fire) on a basic LR, the LR is doing 46.75 damage (roughly matching the RR's 47, assuming neutral profile & no proficiency), every round fired from that point on only increases LR damage even further... and this is on a gun that doesn't disperse or kick. Quite a good weapon. I'd work out a dps chart type thing, but I'm not an excel wizard... I last used it like 10 years ago. I saw this post, and left it alone.... But this IS pretty scary?! In open fields it's a fierce weapon with all that range, but it is no good in cqc. Now if they could figure that out about the scrambler.... the cqc part... Pff you haven't seen me use it in CQC. Headshotz for days AmarrFTW "The Hero got his feelings hurt for 9 hp... "
Mina Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 3	Posted - 2015.07.28 07:06:00 - [24] - Quote Bradric Banewolf wrote: I saw this post, and left it alone.... But this IS pretty scary?! In open fields it's a fierce weapon with all that range, but it is no good in cqc. Now if they could figure that out about the scrambler.... the cqc part... It suffers in damage in cqc, but it has no dispersion and no kick, so you can get it to work. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
The Eristic Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2015.07.28 07:07:00 - [25] - Quote It's the best weapon in the game that also happens to be one of the least used weapons in the game. I'll never understand why more people don't give it a shot these days. Laser duels are glorious. (I would like it to have full efficiency vs LAV and DS, though.) Reality is the original Rorschach. Verily! So much for all that.
NINEinch WEAPON WarRavens RUST415 154	Posted - 2015.07.28 07:32:00 - [26] - Quote Shhhhhhhhhh.... It's a terrible weapon.... Any one got any Vics for sale or trade... "winning" an inch at a time
Omaarion27 Vader's-Fist 5	Posted - 2015.07.28 07:47:00 - [27] - Quote True Adamance wrote: They get way too many people hot and bothered. #OPPLZNURF #Amarrdropitlikeitshot #Empressturninguptheheat lmfao "They hate us because they Anus" CAL n GAL FTFW disagree meet me in battle n taste the RAILnPLASMA flavor
KhanidVictor Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire 7	Posted - 2015.07.28 09:21:00 - [28] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: Missiles are OP Khanid Scrub! How dare you speak like that!
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 10	Posted - 2015.07.28 09:47:00 - [29] - Quote The Eristic wrote: It's the best weapon in the game that also happens to be one of the least used weapons in the game. I'll never understand why more people don't give it a shot these days. Laser duels are glorious. (I would like it to have full efficiency vs LAV and DS, though.) Because it's not easy to use. The really lethal people with an LR are the people who have used it nonstop for a couple years now. Viktor hadah comes to mind. Actually beat him in a laser duel. Once. The other six times he thoroughly kicked my ass. Was fun as hell. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Racro 01 Arifistan Simple Minded People Pty. Ltd. 588	Posted - 2015.07.28 12:50:00 - [30] - Quote you know when the laser rifle is OP when my gall assault decides to use it over my amarr assault. https://zkillboard.com/kill/47521458/ https://zkillboard.com/kill/47521142 Oppose me and you shall incure my wrath.

Koch Rosenzweig S.K.I.L.L OF G.O.D 412	Posted - 2015.07.28 13:02:00 - [31] - Quote Racro 01 Arifistan wrote: you know when the laser rifle is OP when my gall assault decides to use it over my amarr assault. that sounds a bit scruby *Slap in your biotic ass.*
Racro 01 Arifistan Simple Minded People Pty. Ltd. 590	Posted - 2015.07.29 12:32:00 - [32] - Quote Koch Rosenzweig wrote: Racro 01 Arifistan wrote: you know when the laser rifle is OP when my gall assault decides to use it over my amarr assault. that sounds a bit scruby because scrubby is when my gall assault has no bonuses whats so ever that affetcs the performance of the laser rifle./ f.y.i I have amarr assault 3 and gall assault 5 :x https://zkillboard.com/kill/47521458/ https://zkillboard.com/kill/47521142 Oppose me and you shall incure my wrath.
Georgia Xavier Incorruptibles 1	Posted - 2015.07.29 14:49:00 - [33] - Quote Racro 01 Arifistan wrote: It's OP because I do good with it Really man? Click for an instant good day! (or atleast cheer you up a bit)
John Demonsbane Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 5	Posted - 2015.07.29 15:34:00 - [34] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: Missiles are OP Khanid Scrub! Hey! There is naught wrong with being Khanid. Mina Longstrike wrote: I was poking about on the SDE earlier and worked out that laser rifles had a RoF of 750rpm / 12.5rps... which ~~I believe~~ puts them well above rail rifles in terms of damage per magazine, range and general damage output (std rail is 360ish something neutral dps, arr is 380ish), especially after it's fired about 30-40 rounds. An amarr assault has a burn time of 6.4 seconds (80 rounds @ 12.5rounds/sec), and laser damage formula is dmg = base dmg + (scalar * # of shots fired consecutively). Scalar = .85 on basic, to 1.10 on proto (adv should be right in the middle of basic / pro, not sure what officer scalar is). So at 35 rounds (2.8s of fire) on a basic LR, the LR is doing 46.75 damage (roughly matching the RR's 47, assuming neutral profile & no proficiency), every round fired from that point on only increases LR damage even further... and this is on a gun that doesn't disperse or kick. Quite a good weapon. I'd work out a dps chart type thing, but I'm not an excel wizard... I last used it like 10 years ago. Anyway, how odd that this popped up the one random day I decided to check the forums after god knows how long. Here you will find the damage output before overheat. There's also a link in there somewhere to the actual calculations Musta and Bamm Havoc did last year. And this is some really terrible math I did on the changes to the damage/range curve before I got bored with it and sick of the lack of progress on this game. (The godfather of tactical logisticsGäó)
Devadander Woodgrain Atari 467	Posted - 2015.07.29 15:39:00 - [35] - Quote My lazor kill range records spread from 3m-131m Gêå You want a toe? I can get you a toe dude. Gêå Joined - 06-28-12 ~Deal with it~
Balistyc Farshot MONSTER SYNERGY 317	Posted - 2015.07.29 16:23:00 - [36] - Quote I do think that the suits should have a cooling module like the tanks. Then HMG, Ion Pistol, and Laser can fire non-stop if you are soft. Point counter point stances. BTW - The SCR does not need any help with heat. It needs more heat considering it never over heats. "Dying with your rep tool out - the logi-flasher!" Who hasn't been caught by a cute little female scout doing this?
Georgia Xavier Incorruptibles 1	Posted - 2015.07.29 16:24:00 - [37] - Quote Balistyc Farshot wrote: I do think that the suits should have a cooling module like the tanks. Then HMG, Ion Pistol, and Laser can fire non-stop if you are soft. Point counter point stances. BTW - The SCR does not need any help with heat. It needs more heat considering it never over heats. The AScR doesn't overheat, the ScR does, quite a lot if you don't pay attention Click for an instant good day! (or atleast cheer you up a bit)
VikingKong iBUN 0uter.Heaven 524	Posted - 2015.07.29 16:38:00 - [38] - Quote Bradric Banewolf wrote: Mina Longstrike wrote: I was poking about on the SDE earlier and worked out that laser rifles had a RoF of 750rpm / 12.5rps... which ~~I believe~~ puts them well above rail rifles in terms of damage per magazine, range and general damage output (std rail is 360ish something neutral dps, arr is 380ish), especially after it's fired about 30-40 rounds. An amarr assault has a burn time of 6.4 seconds (80 rounds @ 12.5rounds/sec), and laser damage formula is dmg = base dmg + (scalar * # of shots fired consecutively). Scalar = .85 on basic, to 1.10 on proto (adv should be right in the middle of basic / pro, not sure what officer scalar is). So at 35 rounds (2.8s of fire) on a basic LR, the LR is doing 46.75 damage (roughly matching the RR's 47, assuming neutral profile & no proficiency), every round fired from that point on only increases LR damage even further... and this is on a gun that doesn't disperse or kick. Quite a good weapon. I'd work out a dps chart type thing, but I'm not an excel wizard... I last used it like 10 years ago. I saw this post, and left it alone.... But this IS pretty scary?! In open fields it's a fierce weapon with all that range, but it is no good in cqc. Now if they could figure that out about the scrambler.... the cqc part... It's like a lightsaber in cqc I would like a Gallente SMG. TUNNEL SNAKES RULE
Dragonmeballs Better Hide R Die 150	Posted - 2015.07.29 16:52:00 - [39] - Quote Georgia Xavier wrote: What I'm afraid of is there are people out there who will take this seriously and make spreadsheets about the laser rifle Already did it...and no I'm not telling what I figured out. Ok....just a hint....Lazors=(Bacon+Tacos)^(Free Beer) Blueberry!....Make yourself useful and shoot the blurry thing running this way!
Regnier Feros Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 570	Posted - 2015.07.29 19:31:00 - [40] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: The Eristic wrote: It's the best weapon in the game that also happens to be one of the least used weapons in the game. I'll never understand why more people don't give it a shot these days. Laser duels are glorious. (I would like it to have full efficiency vs LAV and DS, though.) Because it's not easy to use. The really lethal people with an LR are the people who have used it nonstop for a couple years now. Viktor hadah comes to mind. Actually beat him in a laser duel. Once. The other six times he thoroughly kicked my ass. Was fun as hell. Mortedeamor is Senpai ZariaOwnsWhips

XxBlazikenxX Vader's-Fist 1	Posted - 2015.07.29 19:33:00 - [41] - Quote Regnier Feros wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: The Eristic wrote: It's the best weapon in the game that also happens to be one of the least used weapons in the game. I'll never understand why more people don't give it a shot these days. Laser duels are glorious. (I would like it to have full efficiency vs LAV and DS, though.) Because it's not easy to use. The really lethal people with an LR are the people who have used it nonstop for a couple years now. Viktor hadah comes to mind. Actually beat him in a laser duel. Once. The other six times he thoroughly kicked my ass. Was fun as hell. Mortedeamor is Senpai I've never lost a laser rifle duel before. CCP Archduke is the best GM Founder of the Armory
Georgia Xavier Incorruptibles 1	Posted - 2015.07.29 20:34:00 - [42] - Quote XxBlazikenxX wrote: Regnier Feros wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: The Eristic wrote: It's the best weapon in the game that also happens to be one of the least used weapons in the game. I'll never understand why more people don't give it a shot these days. Laser duels are glorious. (I would like it to have full efficiency vs LAV and DS, though.) Because it's not easy to use. The really lethal people with an LR are the people who have used it nonstop for a couple years now. Viktor hadah comes to mind. Actually beat him in a laser duel. Once. The other six times he thoroughly kicked my ass. Was fun as hell. Mortedeamor is Senpai I've never lost a laser rifle duel yet. FTFY Count your days Blaziken, I will catch you and you will be in my pokeball Click for an instant good day! (or atleast cheer you up a bit)
Racro 01 Arifistan Simple Minded People Pty. Ltd. 591	Posted - 2015.07.30 02:08:00 - [43] - Quote Georgia Xavier wrote: Racro 01 Arifistan wrote: It's OP because I do good with it Really man? don't recall typing that. way to mince/change words much. at least I don't need to run FOTM / FOTB or myofibs(cough) to be good. besides Laser rifle acts as a great counter to heavy/logi combo. that and I;'ve been in love with my winsaer since it was introduced back pre-chromosome...........we all know those times. insta killing beams for redline to redline......am I right? https://zkillboard.com/kill/47521458/ https://zkillboard.com/kill/47521142 Oppose me and you shall incure my wrath.
Mobius Wyvern Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 6	Posted - 2015.07.30 02:13:00 - [44] - Quote True Adamance wrote: They get way too many people hot and bothered. #OPPLZNURF #Amarrdropitlikeitshot #Empressturninguptheheat Stay classy. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
Georgia Xavier Incorruptibles 1	Posted - 2015.07.30 02:33:00 - [45] - Quote Racro 01 Arifistan wrote: Georgia Xavier wrote: Racro 01 Arifistan wrote: It's OP because I do good with it Really man? don't recall typing that. way to mince/change words much. at least I don't need to run FOTM / FOTB or myofibs(cough) to be good. besides Laser rifle acts as a great counter to heavy/logi combo. that and I;'ve been in love with my winsaer since it was introduced back pre-chromosome...........we all know those times. insta killing beams for redline to redline......am I right? Touche Click for an instant good day! (or atleast cheer you up a bit)


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