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howard sanchez wrote:

Bradric Banewolf wrote:

Pubs should be more competitive, but unfortunately it's chuck gull of guys who for the life of me I can't figure out why they play?!

They don't play FW, which I recently started playing more of. They don't play PC, and I can't blame them with the lag?! They don't play worth a hill of beans in the pubs, but again I can't blame them. The payouts for effort is too low?!

If the payouts in the pubs actually matched the effort put in, maybe players would put in work. Currently tons of players see competition, and stop fighting to conserve isk. It leaves your team beaten by default?!

Often you're forced to wait a match out in the mcc, die solo and pointlessly, or leave because the team you're on isn't fighting, bringing links, or much of anything else.

The teams in FW do fight so I fight there.

In PC lag determines the outcome more than gun skill or tactics.

[text bolded for focus]
The payouts in pubs do match to effort. If you are beasting in pubs you are making more than the other guys on your team.

But that's not all the payouts are matched to - they're heavily based on the isk invested in the match. That means if you bring proto gear to a pub you're paying the enemy more isk. And if they bring militia gear you're getting less isk.

These impacts on payout balance each other. But because you don't always see how much the other guys (red & blue) get paid, you may have a misperception of what's fair and not fair.

PUBs are not for competition. FW and PC are for that. PC much more so.

And Vader's-Fist is here to make that more of a reality than you've recently perceived it to be.

We are bringing a war to Molden Heath like none other. Not a war of alliances, not a series of land-grabs. It's VF vs everyone who would resist change.

Be on the right side of change. Because change is coming.

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Apocalyptic Destroyerr Shining Flame Amarr Empire 742	Posted - 2015.07.27 18:01:00 - [1] - Quote Matchmaking is just absolutely horrendous. There's no incentive to win in PUBS whatsoever, its just Chuck filled with glue sniffing idiots ! There needs to be some greater incentive to play PUBS ! The only reason why I even bother to get on now is PC, don't even get me started on the Lag there. Use it ----> Abuse It ----> Nerf !!! a¦á_a¦á Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn
Lac Nokomis Kirjuun Heiian 117	Posted - 2015.07.27 18:04:00 - [2] - Quote Agree 100% Ive always stuck to FW 99%, I guess I just wish the different modes were more expanded, with better matchmaking/isk payout thought processes.
howard sanchez Vader's-Fist 1	Posted - 2015.07.27 18:09:00 - [3] - Quote We are expanding the mode now. We are widening the corridors and adding more lanes. We are building a religion... a limited edition.... PUBS are for grinding CP, learning the game and gathering isk. Don't play pubs for the competition please. PUBS are for gains that you'll put to use later - in conquest. So do something bigger. Even if you only plan to run pubs in a squad or solo - your time can be added to a growing reservoir of force that will be applied across the game to improve our community. Want to help the game? Want to improve DUST? JOIN VADER'S-FIST and add to the Tide! Recruiting now! Apply to VADER'S-FIST Be a part of the change Burn the Heath with VADER'S-FIST
Apocalyptic Destroyerr Shining Flame Amarr Empire 742	Posted - 2015.07.27 18:24:00 - [4] - Quote howard sanchez wrote: We are expanding the mode now. We are widening the corridors and adding more lanes. We are building a religion... a limited edition.... PUBS are for grinding CP, learning the game and gathering isk. Don't play pubs for the competition please. PUBS are for gains that you'll put to use later - in conquest. So do something bigger. Even if you only plan to run pubs in a squad or solo - your time can be added to a growing reservoir of force that will be applied across the game to improve our community. Want to help the game? Want to improve DUST? JOIN VADER'S-FIST and add to the Tide! I stopped playing FW there's too damn many people going IDLE. I usually kill then and get booted. Use it ----> Abuse It ----> Nerf !!! a¦á_a¦á Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn
Soldner VonKuechle SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 2	Posted - 2015.07.27 18:25:00 - [5] - Quote howard sanchez wrote: We are expanding the mode now. We are widening the corridors and adding more lanes. We are building a religion... a limited edition.... PUBS are for grinding CP, learning the game and gathering isk. Don't play pubs for the competition please. PUBS are for gains that you'll put to use later - in conquest. So do something bigger. Even if you only plan to run pubs in a squad or solo - your time can be added to a growing reservoir of force that will be applied across the game to improve our community. Want to help the game? Want to improve DUST? JOIN VADER'S-FIST and add to the Tide! +1 for the Cake reference 'As salty as salt can get.' how I describe the dust player base.
howard sanchez Vader's-Fist 1	Posted - 2015.07.27 18:27:00 - [6] - Quote Apocalyptic Destroyerr wrote: howard sanchez wrote: We are expanding the mode now. We are widening the corridors and adding more lanes. We are building a religion... a limited edition.... PUBS are for grinding CP, learning the game and gathering isk. Don't play pubs for the competition please. PUBS are for gains that you'll put to use later - in conquest. So do something bigger. Even if you only plan to run pubs in a squad or solo - your time can be added to a growing reservoir of force that will be applied across the game to improve our community. Want to help the game? Want to improve DUST? JOIN VADER'S-FIST and add to the Tide! I stopped playing FW there's too damn many people going IDLE. I usually kill then and get booted. AD - Vader's-Fist will give you a reason to point your weapon at REDS! Recruiting now! Apply to VADER'S-FIST Be a part of the change Burn the Heath with VADER'S-FIST
Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD RUST415 1	Posted - 2015.07.27 18:52:00 - [7] - Quote Pubs should be more competitive, but unfortunately it's chuck gull of guys who for the life of me I can't figure out why they play?! They don't play FW, which I recently started playing more of. They don't play PC, and I can't blame them with the lag?! They don't play worth a hill of beans in the pubs, but again I can't blame them. The payouts for effort is too low?! If the payouts in the pubs actually matched the effort put in, maybe players would put in work. Currently tons of players see competition, and stop fighting to conserve isk. It leaves your team beaten by default?! Often you're forced to wait a match out in the mcc, die solo and pointlessly, or leave because the team you're on isn't fighting, bringing links, or much of anything else. The teams in FW do fight so I fight there. In PC lag determines the outcome more than gun skill or tactics. "Anybody order chaos?"
DAAAA BEAST Corrosive Synergy 2	Posted - 2015.07.27 18:57:00 - [8] - Quote Bradric Banewolf wrote: Pubs should be more competitive, but unfortunately it's chuck gull of guys who for the life of me I can't figure out why they play?! Because they play casually. Deal with it. Go play more FW and PC if you can't support pubs. To the greatest ADS pilot , mentor and friend , DR FEB You will be missed !
Jammer Jalapeno Kirjuun Heiian 275	Posted - 2015.07.27 19:02:00 - [9] - Quote Factional really is the only game mode where you will ever see 16 vs 16 lol MmMmMm Glitter
Krixus Flux Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 945	Posted - 2015.07.27 19:05:00 - [10] - Quote The only incentive to play ANY video game is entertainment. Somehow these new age gamers started telling themselves they need incentives from devs to play video games. You cease to be entertained, you change the channel. Simple dude. Saying what's on people's minds

howard sanchez Vader's-Fist 1	Posted - 2015.07.27 19:27:00 - [11] - Quote Bradric Banewolf wrote: Pubs should be more competitive, but unfortunately it's chuck gull of guys who for the life of me I can't figure out why they play?! They don't play FW, which I recently started playing more of. They don't play PC, and I can't blame them with the lag?! They don't play worth a hill of beans in the pubs, but again I can't blame them. The payouts for effort is too low?! If the payouts in the pubs actually matched the effort put in, maybe players would put in work. Currently tons of players see competition, and stop fighting to conserve isk. It leaves your team beaten by default?! Often you're forced to wait a match out in the mcc, die solo and pointlessly, or leave because the team you're on isn't fighting, bringing links, or much of anything else. The teams in FW do fight so I fight there. In PC lag determines the outcome more than gun skill or tactics. [text bolded for focus] The payouts in pubs do match to effort. If you are beasting in pubs you are making more than the other guys on your team. But that's not all the payouts are matched to - they're heavily based on the isk invested in the match. That means if you bring proto gear to a pub you're paying the enemy more isk. And if they bring militia gear you're getting less isk. These impacts on payout balance each other. But because you don't always see how much the other guys (red & blue) get paid, you may have a misperception of what's fair and not fair. PUBs are not for competition. FW and PC are for that. PC much more so. And Vader's-Fist is here to make that more of a reality than you've recently perceived it to be. We are bringing a war to Molden Heath like none other. Not a war of alliances, not a series of land-grabs. It's VF vs everyone who would resist change. Be on the right side of change. Because change is coming. Recruiting now! Apply to VADER'S-FIST Be a part of the change Burn the Heath with VADER'S-FIST
Lac Nokomis Kirjuun Heiian 121	Posted - 2015.07.27 19:39:00 - [12] - Quote Jammer Jalapeno wrote: Factional really is the only game mode where you will ever see 16 vs 16 lol Plus this. With me tinfoil hat me thinks CCP has something else planned for the future of dust with this horrid matchmaking. Like it will probably work better with a larger player base... Hint.. Hint... If not then I am completely dumfounded. Also the reason people leave pub matches more are because of the "Apex" generation. At least that's what I think. Why stay in a game if all of your suits were free?!?!?!
Sequal's Back Dead Man's Game 761	Posted - 2015.07.27 20:16:00 - [13] - Quote Apocalyptic Destroyerr wrote: Matchmaking is just absolutely horrendous. There's no incentive to win in PUBS whatsoever, its just Chuck filled with glue sniffing idiots ! There needs to be some greater incentive to play PUBS ! The only reason why I even bother to get on now is PC, don't even get me started on the Lag there. Agreed too.. and last time we had a PC together I had ~10FPS the whole game.. even PC can make you quit.. WON'T YOU PLEASE TAKE ME HOME !
MrCriminal High Power Art.of.Death 171	Posted - 2015.07.27 20:16:00 - [14] - Quote Apocalyptic Destroyerr wrote: Matchmaking is just absolutely horrendous. There's no incentive to win in PUBS whatsoever, its just Chuck filled with glue sniffing idiots ! There needs to be some greater incentive to play PUBS ! The only reason why I even bother to get on now is PC, don't even get me started on the Lag there. Can I have your ISK and stuff if you quit.? (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ¤.°n+ín+ƒGÿåGùÅ°.LASERS BTCH!!!!!! Click for free stuff
LHughes Dead Man's Game 334	Posted - 2015.07.27 20:49:00 - [15] - Quote Same I only log in for PCs That moment when you walk in on Rattati in the shower but he hasn't undressed yet He's such a tease xx
Georgia Xavier Incorruptibles 991	Posted - 2015.07.27 22:15:00 - [16] - Quote I'like admit, it's getting harder and harder to play this game, been playing much less than before Click for an instant good day! (or atleast cheer you up a bit)
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 8	Posted - 2015.07.27 22:28:00 - [17] - Quote Boy, do I know that feel haha! I literally ask myself the same question after a single match every time I get on. Every time without fail. It's why I play other games. *Scouts United* Gk.0s & Quafes all day.
Death Shadow117 Wolf Pack Special Forces 499	Posted - 2015.07.27 22:35:00 - [18] - Quote howard sanchez wrote: We are expanding the mode now. We are widening the corridors and adding more lanes. We are building a religion... a limited edition.... PUBS are for grinding CP, learning the game and gathering isk. Don't play pubs for the competition please. PUBS are for gains that you'll put to use later - in conquest. So do something bigger. Even if you only plan to run pubs in a squad or solo - your time can be added to a growing reservoir of force that will be applied across the game to improve our community. Want to help the game? Want to improve DUST? JOIN VADER'S-FIST and add to the Tide! I like your cake reference there. Duct tape fixes everything from weapons to suits and even tanks.
Talos Vagheitan Ancient Exiles. 2	Posted - 2015.07.27 22:44:00 - [19] - Quote That's the spirit! Lol@theseposts CPM Platform
Death Shadow117 Wolf Pack Special Forces 499	Posted - 2015.07.27 23:32:00 - [20] - Quote Yet you tell me the game works fine and that im wrong when I say it doesn't. At least when I don't like a game I'll voice my opinions and agree with good ideas (like making an area where we can actually rate everything) not just feedback and ideas that part of the forum is dead a site dedicated to fixing dust is what we need not just a subforum. Duct tape fixes everything from weapons to suits and even tanks.

Russel Mendoza Klandatu 220	Posted - 2015.07.27 23:46:00 - [21] - Quote Because I love sci fi shooter. I like shooting people. Hate getting killed by other people. Like leveling up myself to get better. Basically love this f u c k i n g game. I will be playing this game until they pull the plug. And I will be actually playing this game when they actually pull the plug. I'm the biggest Dustard in the universe!!! Summoning technique "Gorgon no jutsu" Vehicle request accepted.
Mex-0 Corrosive Synergy 813	Posted - 2015.07.27 23:53:00 - [22] - Quote DAAAA BEAST wrote: Bradric Banewolf wrote: Pubs should be more competitive, but unfortunately it's chuck gull of guys who for the life of me I can't figure out why they play?! Because they play casually. Deal with it. Go play more FW and PC if you can't support pubs. People also play for teh lolz, not just for ISK or stomping. I find pubs a fun way to unload PLC rounds onto enemies, and take great pleasure in blasting shiny proto gear off my ladders. If I insult you in some way, it's probably by accident. probably.
Denchlad 7 Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 2	Posted - 2015.07.28 00:07:00 - [23] - Quote I play once every few weeks now as I busted my controller, just dont feel as attached to the game now as its partially been replaced by Destiny for me. Being said, matchmaking does seem to of got worse since it got better lol. Choo choo chooooo, lets all fck a blender. Dench's Thrift Shop* <-- WIP
Vlad Rostok Vader's-Fist 198	Posted - 2015.07.28 00:15:00 - [24] - Quote Denchlad 7 wrote: I play once every few weeks now as I busted my controller, just dont feel as attached to the game now as its partially been replaced by Destiny for me. Being said, matchmaking does seem to of got worse since it got better lol. You play destiny with a broken controller?
Death Shadow117 Wolf Pack Special Forces 503	Posted - 2015.07.28 01:03:00 - [25] - Quote Vlad Rostok wrote: Denchlad 7 wrote: I play once every few weeks now as I busted my controller, just dont feel as attached to the game now as its partially been replaced by Destiny for me. Being said, matchmaking does seem to of got worse since it got better lol. You play destiny with a broken controller? you guys play shitfestiny got bored with it the first 2 weeks and I love bungie as a company that was just a ****** game to say the least. Duct tape fixes everything from weapons to suits and even tanks.
Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD RUST415 1	Posted - 2015.07.28 01:25:00 - [26] - Quote DAAAA BEAST wrote: Bradric Banewolf wrote: Pubs should be more competitive, but unfortunately it's chuck gull of guys who for the life of me I can't figure out why they play?! Because they play casually. Deal with it. Go play more FW and PC if you can't support pubs. Support? You mean carry? 16 v 16 pub match should not end with 100 clones on both sides because 8 of the losing team are forced into the redline, not by the enemy team, but the lack of competent assistance from the friendlies?! "Anybody order chaos?"
Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD RUST415 1	Posted - 2015.07.28 01:57:00 - [27] - Quote howard sanchez wrote: Bradric Banewolf wrote: Pubs should be more competitive, but unfortunately it's chuck gull of guys who for the life of me I can't figure out why they play?! They don't play FW, which I recently started playing more of. They don't play PC, and I can't blame them with the lag?! They don't play worth a hill of beans in the pubs, but again I can't blame them. The payouts for effort is too low?! If the payouts in the pubs actually matched the effort put in, maybe players would put in work. Currently tons of players see competition, and stop fighting to conserve isk. It leaves your team beaten by default?! Often you're forced to wait a match out in the mcc, die solo and pointlessly, or leave because the team you're on isn't fighting, bringing links, or much of anything else. The teams in FW do fight so I fight there. In PC lag determines the outcome more than gun skill or tactics. [text bolded for focus] The payouts in pubs do match to effort. If you are beasting in pubs you are making more than the other guys on your team. But that's not all the payouts are matched to - they're heavily based on the isk invested in the match. That means if you bring proto gear to a pub you're paying the enemy more isk. And if they bring militia gear you're getting less isk. These impacts on payout balance each other. But because you don't always see how much the other guys (red & blue) get paid, you may have a misperception of what's fair and not fair. PUBs are not for competition. FW and PC are for that. PC much more so. And Vader's-Fist is here to make that more of a reality than you've recently perceived it to be. We are bringing a war to Molden Heath like none other. Not a war of alliances, not a series of land-grabs. It's VF vs everyone who would resist change. Be on the right side of change. Because change is coming. Skill in battle will draw more members than your incessive campaigning for a lost cause ever will.... That said, I wish you luck on this lost cause. As far as payouts go, I would suggest a small percentage increase overall. Me deciding to run proto shouldn't be looked down upon. Neither should attempting to win. How in the ** do you guys have fun losing? If we lose a battle it should never be without a fight! That's the fun in it, in my humble opinion! Isn't that why everyone gets in a fight?.... or is that just me I don't care if you run militia, but for f* sake run it like a man! If a player decides to run higher end gear to win, but his enemy decides to run cheaper gear. How the hell is that the 1st guys fault? Sounds like he came prepared to me! He should also be compensated handsomely for services rendered! Especially if he performs well! If I run basic, and go 23/12/3, I should get paid! The enemies died! I don't care what they were rocking shrugs We fight all that time to get to proto gear, only to run militia? Claiming "oh I play casual"? Oh you casual when there's stiff competition on the other end huh? I digress. My friends have told me I tend to rant.... I personally feel there should be a log on players.... a mark of sorts by their names indicating their tenacity in battle, or lack there of. Not that rank bs, that's just aurum spent?! Yellow should indicate a high level of battles abandoned lol! This wouldn't be applicable because of so many factors ofcourse, but isn't it easier to play something else where you can troll around doing dumb **? Skyrim is awesome! At the rate of payouts currently we should all run militia in the pubs?! Guys would still get whacked, and then be advocating for teams staying in the redline smh?! I remember first playing this game with militia and then basic fits! It was a dogfight to just get out of the redline some matches in those days, but if they let me get a foot in I made em pay! That basic AR became a Gek-38! Those basic armor mods became advanced with reps! Team tactics grew, and I found myself in every ***** corner scrapping til the point was lined with bodies all around, mine included! Those days seem to be long gone now because the ones that still fight hard, are left to die on the field while the rest of their team watches smh?! Even with the incessive lag in PC atleast it's a fight when I go in! For me that's the whole point of playing! To fight, not dominate. I have no fool notion that I will just dominate others, and honestly if it became that way I'd probably stop playing lol! I'm here for the bloody knuckles, split knees, and splinters in my hands! Fight or flight reflex! It's when your natural instinct kicks in, and you make that natural decision to stand up, or sit down. To fight back, or runaway. I'm here to have fun, but my definition of fun makes soft guys find excuses, and pretty girls curious! When you get tired of the redline hit me up, I've got enough backbone for the two of us! Sorry for ranting... "Anybody order chaos?"
Mortishai Belmont G.L.O.R.Y 809	Posted - 2015.07.28 02:20:00 - [28] - Quote Well, I play the game because my corp mates are awesome and I like first person shooters. Especially the aspects this game provides, there isn't really any other game out there like it. I usually don't even pay attention to my ISK or payouts. Sounds like you need to take a break or something though, or do like the rest of us and go to FW when you get more then 3 buddies online ~(._.~) The C.EO. of G.L.O.R.Y, (~..)~ Now on Youtube ~(..~)
Frost Kitty Ancient Exiles. 199	Posted - 2015.07.28 02:52:00 - [29] - Quote You shouldn't need an incentive you play. It's a game, have fun. That's what it's meant for after all. I've actually considered trying Dust again myself. Kinda miss it. Sigh Meow
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 2	Posted - 2015.07.28 03:13:00 - [30] - Quote Apocalyptic Destroyerr wrote: Matchmaking is just absolutely horrendous. There's no incentive to win in PUBS whatsoever, its just Chuck filled with glue sniffing idiots ! There needs to be some greater incentive to play PUBS ! The only reason why I even bother to get on now is PC, don't even get me started on the Lag there. I'm not playing. Something has changed that's hard to put my finger on. Not only is the game irrelevant to New Eden, but it feels like Dust wants to break away from New Eden. That's the impression i'm getting anyway. PSN: RationalSpark



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