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Darken-Sol
Darken's Forge and Trade
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Posted - 2015.07.26 05:52:00 -
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How trello trades works? It seems i must deal with slander in places i dont even visit. Adolph Steel messaged me about a suit. A tiger scout, we agreed to trade for an assault suit. I simply needed to choose one and send my suit. No. I have always taken payment first. Its how i do business. I said as much and apologised for wasting the mans time.
Next i get a mail with credentials and assurance that he runs the largest business. I congratulated him and compared my business model to his. Payment first.
The mail i recieve next is a request for me to ask around about him. Also a barbed statement about me looking like a scammer. I asked if he was threatening me with slander and proceeded to tell him again i wasnt going to do business with him.
I get one last mail.
You are now on trello trades scammer watch list. o7
I got the mails if anyone wants to see them i can forward them. I guess im just looking for advice on how to proceed. Is this common? Why would the largest business need to attack a small business over a tiger scout?
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Luka the otter
Bragian Order
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.07.26 06:05:00 -
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If you've got proof I would recommend doing it. From what I'm aware, someone caught putting up false information on the trello scammer list gets blacklisted. If they're doing it to you they may be doing it to others. |
Darken-Sol
Darken's Forge and Trade
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Posted - 2015.07.26 06:34:00 -
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Luka the otter wrote:If you've got proof I would recommend doing it. From what I'm aware, someone caught putting up false information on the trello scammer list gets blacklisted. If they're doing it to you they may be doing it to others.
Does anyone know who i would talk to? Im sending a support ticket to CCP, im not sure if it will help.
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Luka the otter
Bragian Order
Amarr Empire
5
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Posted - 2015.07.26 06:51:00 -
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I don't know specifically who you would talk to, unfortunately, but I do know ticketing to CCP isn't going to help. They won't do anything in regards to player trading, including name slander.
You might want to talk to Jadek Manaheim, I think the name is. I'm pretty sure he had a big hand in setting up all the Trello Trade stuff. I may be confusing him for someone else, though. |
Luka the otter
Bragian Order
Amarr Empire
5
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Posted - 2015.07.26 07:01:00 -
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Just giving a bump so you know to check back for the edit. |
Forever ETC
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2015.07.26 07:02:00 -
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Yeah, contact Jadek or Scotty the AI
AmarrFTW
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I-Shayz-I
I----------I
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Posted - 2015.07.26 08:27:00 -
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You are not in the wrong.
And trading should be done in-game, where outside resources are only to agree on meetups, not to actually agree on trades.
Proper etiquette is to send isk first. No exceptions.
Isk is a renewable resource, items are not. Especially for single items.
Although for single items I usually do it in two trades. Half of the payment first, the second half only after the item has been recieved.
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Luka the otter
Bragian Order
Amarr Empire
7
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Posted - 2015.07.26 08:36:00 -
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I-Shayz-I wrote:You are not in the wrong.
And trading should be done in-game, where outside resources are only to agree on meetups, not to actually agree on trades.
Proper etiquette is to send isk first. No exceptions.
Isk is a renewable resource, items are not. Especially for single items.
Although for single items I usually do it in two trades. Half of the payment first, the second half only after the item has been recieved.
From Darken-Sol's post, it looks like it was an APEX for APEX trade. But Darken-Sol says Adolph Steel messaged him first to start the trade and pestered him about going through with it. But on the Trello Demonkiller 12 (Assumedly Adolph) says this:
'What are the policies on people who are extremely shady?
People who refuse to middle man or trade at all even though they can just ask around if youre legit or not, and you never see them talking in any channels then they just message you and when you ask for some insurance you never hear from them again
because i just had an encounter like that with Darken-Sol (same PSN)
i know hes not new because ive seen him in many battles since open beta, just wandering if anyone has had any experiences with him or heard anything about him?'
Right now it's just he said she said, but whether Darken is in the wrong, the right, or it's just an unfortunate misunderstanding, Darken seems to be taking all the consequences of the exchange.
Pictures of the messages may do better for you than forwarding them to someone, as when you forward a message you can edit it, so that probably won't be taken as valid evidence. |
The Eristic
Ostrakon Agency
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.07.26 08:55:00 -
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I'm just dropping in to say that I've done deals and trades with Darken worth hundreds of millions now, and he has always delivered.
Reality is the original Rorschach.
Verily! So much for all that.
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Haerr
Negative-Feedback.
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.07.26 11:03:00 -
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Since Darken-Sol is a solid reputable trader
it sounds to me like that
Adolph Steel is trying to Scam. 
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TheD1CK
Dead Man's Game
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Posted - 2015.07.26 11:12:00 -
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Haerr wrote:Since Darken-Sol is a solid reputable trader it sounds to me like that Adolph Steel is trying to Scam.
This ^^ or he may be going off the deep end, dat trade-thug ghetto living is like a piece of pie brah.. GET SOME
Trades are funny though  the sheer greed of the average trader practically makes all trading a scam anyway..
- I want a dollhouse.. these guys get make-believe market.. it's not fair.. I WANT A DOLLHOUSE !!!!!
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ZED Regent
Vader's-Fist
120
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Posted - 2015.07.26 11:27:00 -
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Look on dustboard.com ... you can't find Adolph Steel (anymore?)...
So that guy is a scammer...
Good for you that you didn't trade....
Vader's-Fist , soon in a district near you...
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Mejt0
Dead Man's Game
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Posted - 2015.07.26 12:38:00 -
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It's better to stick to in-game trade channels and forums.
Loyal to The State
Official Caldari Commando User
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Henchmen21
Planet Express LLC
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Posted - 2015.07.26 13:36:00 -
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The fact that you have to go through any of this is why I'll likely never trade a thing. I'd like to swap my Amarr Apex scout for a Gal Apex scout but its just not worth the hassle.
Acquisition is terrible, matchmaking is terrible, your game is still riddled with bugs, you should feel bad.
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demonkiller 12
TERRA R1SING
New Eden's Heros
923
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Posted - 2015.07.26 13:58:00 -
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Darken-Sol wrote:Luka the otter wrote:If you've got proof I would recommend doing it. From what I'm aware, someone caught putting up false information on the trello scammer list gets blacklisted. If they're doing it to you they may be doing it to others. Does anyone know who i would talk to? Im sending a support ticket to CCP, im not sure if it will help.
Just message jadek, but youre being super shady so, yep you be acting like ascammer |
demonkiller 12
TERRA R1SING
New Eden's Heros
923
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Posted - 2015.07.26 14:02:00 -
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the worst part is whenever ive asked if you want to use a 3rd party you go quiet and I never hear from you again no matter how many times I have messaged you |
MINA Longstrike
Kirjuun Heiian
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Posted - 2015.07.26 14:38:00 -
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I'm kind of surprised that you'd come up as a scammer, as most of the more well known forum-goers are entirely beyond that crap.
You're not like 911 butthurt who spent 2-3 hours screaming over an accusation (that was acknowledged early on to be mistargeted) that he was a scammer because he wanted an apology.
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian.
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Leovarian L Lavitz
Vader's-Fist
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Posted - 2015.07.26 16:13:00 -
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Mina Longstrike wrote:I'm kind of surprised that you'd come up as a scammer, as most of the more well known forum-goers are entirely beyond that crap.
You're not like 911 butthurt who spent 2-3 hours screaming over an accusation (that was acknowledged early on to be mistargeted) that he was a scammer because he wanted an apology.
Reputation is the most valuable commodity in dust, having someone take pop-shots and mudsling at someone with a good reputation that he may have spent years building hurts. The unknown doesn't have anything to lose, no reputation, nothing. But, the reputable person has a chance to lose many connections if people believe the falsehoods spread about them.
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Darken-Sol
Darken's Forge and Trade
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Posted - 2015.07.26 17:03:00 -
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Mina Longstrike wrote:I'm kind of surprised that you'd come up as a scammer, as most of the more well known forum-goers are entirely beyond that crap.
You're not like 911 butthurt who spent 2-3 hours screaming over an accusation (that was acknowledged early on to be mistargeted) that he was a scammer because he wanted an apology.
I have never scammed anyone. I do business payment first so there is no chance of anyone getting scammed. Many people have been reluctant to trade but thats fine. I will pass up a trade rather than bully someone into it. I dont need isk or gear bad enough to sully someones reputation over something stupid.
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Darken-Sol
Darken's Forge and Trade
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Posted - 2015.07.26 17:10:00 -
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Henchmen21 wrote:The fact that you have to go through any of this is why I'll likely never trade a thing. I'd like to swap my Amarr Apex scout for a Gal Apex scout but its just not worth the hassle.
It adds alot of fun to the game. It also gives you something to do while searching for a match. Almost every person i have dealt with has been pleasant and honest. I guess it has its risks but overall trading has made this game awesome again.
If i come across a gal scout i will contact you. You should be able to get the gear you want without hassle.
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Summa Militum
Art.of.Death
550
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Posted - 2015.07.26 17:19:00 -
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demonkiller 12 wrote:the worst part is whenever ive asked if you want to use a 3rd party you go quiet and I never hear from you again no matter how many times I have messaged you
If he stopped responding to your messages then you should have just moved on with your life. Making false accusations about someone is ridiculous. How many other people have you complained about over situations similar to this one? |
Darken-Sol
Darken's Forge and Trade
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Posted - 2015.07.26 17:19:00 -
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Mejt0 wrote:It's better to stick to in-game trade channels and forums.
I do. I have not even checked out the place where i am being slandered. Im just getting advice on how to proceed. Also bringing this to light incase more players are being coerced into trades they dont want to make.
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MINA Longstrike
Kirjuun Heiian
3
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Posted - 2015.07.26 17:34:00 -
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Darken-Sol wrote:Mina Longstrike wrote:I'm kind of surprised that you'd come up as a scammer, as most of the more well known forum-goers are entirely beyond that crap.
You're not like 911 butthurt who spent 2-3 hours screaming over an accusation (that was acknowledged early on to be mistargeted) that he was a scammer because he wanted an apology. I have never scammed anyone. I do business payment first so there is no chance of anyone getting scammed. Many people have been reluctant to trade but thats fine. I will pass up a trade rather than bully someone into it. I dont need isk or gear bad enough to sully someones reputation over something stupid.
Oh don't get me wrong, I didn't mean to imply that you were a scammer or that you scammed someone. It's just one of those things that I hear people say ("That person's a scammer" "That person is a spy" and I just have to go "To what point and purpose?")
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian.
I have a few alts.
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Darken-Sol
Darken's Forge and Trade
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Posted - 2015.07.26 20:47:00 -
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demonkiller 12 wrote:Darken-Sol wrote:Luka the otter wrote:If you've got proof I would recommend doing it. From what I'm aware, someone caught putting up false information on the trello scammer list gets blacklisted. If they're doing it to you they may be doing it to others. Does anyone know who i would talk to? Im sending a support ticket to CCP, im not sure if it will help. Just message jadek, but youre being super shady so, yep you be acting like ascammer
The thing about slander is it can begin with a misunderstanding. I actually talked to Adolph Steel this morning. He didnt know anything about it. Demonkiller 12 handles his business. I'll update the OP. Sorry Adolph. Demon im not a scammer. I will forgive you if you just admit you jumped the gun.
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Darken-Sol
Darken's Forge and Trade
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Posted - 2015.08.20 14:42:00 -
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For scotty
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