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No-one-ganks like-Gaston
Seykal Expeditionary Group
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.07.22 09:04:00 -
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When checking out a knife, does the number it gives for damage act as its charged damage, or uncharged damage?
What is the damage of Nova Knives at no charge or fully charged, and is damage increased at all when partially charged, or do partially charged swipes give uncharged damage?
When you're using Nova Knives, is your melee damage added to the Nova Knife damage score? Or are they separate numbers? For example, you have no myofibs and an advanced knife. 100 base melee damage, 120 knife damage. Does this total to 220 damage per knife swing?
If you decide for whatever reason to do a normal melee with a knife equipped, does it use melee damage or knife damage?
Are knives worth using without proto myofibs, or should you just wait? Knives seem to be entirely useless without myofibs, and the damage increase between myofib tiers is huge, especially counting the myofib skill bonus. |
MINA Longstrike
Kirjuun Heiian
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Posted - 2015.07.22 09:22:00 -
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1) The listed number is uncharged & per knife. Charged value is 2.5x listed per knife.
2) Knives are either uncharged or fully charged. they do not get damage from partial charges.
3) Melee damage is entirely separate of knife damage. If you punch with a knife held, you do punch damage with punch range. Knives outrange melee strikes (which have a roughly ~1m range) by about 1.5m (knives have about a 2.5m range).
4) Myofibril stims have absolutely nothing to do with knives, those mods only affect melee and jumping. Knives are not affected by them at all.
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Genral69 death
Random Gunz
Rise Of Legion.
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Posted - 2015.07.22 09:25:00 -
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The damage is says on the weapon is what it does before the knifes are charged. Also your actually doing double that damage due to you having 2 knifes . U don't need myrofibs to use them effectively but it can't help when charged (as you can't run whistle charged)
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No-one-ganks like-Gaston
Seykal Expeditionary Group
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.07.22 09:26:00 -
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Mina Longstrike wrote:4) Myofibril stims have absolutely nothing to do with knives, those mods only affect melee and jumping. Knives are not affected by them at all.
Are you serious? Holy ****. |
Mina Longstrike
Kirjuun Heiian
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Posted - 2015.07.22 09:33:00 -
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No-one-ganks like-Gaston wrote:Mina Longstrike wrote:4) Myofibril stims have absolutely nothing to do with knives, those mods only affect melee and jumping. Knives are not affected by them at all. Are you serious? Holy ****.
Yes. Having a 90% increase to knife damage per mod would be insane. accounting for minscout (25%), proficiency (1.15, knives are the only weapon that retains old proficiency increases which make them better against everything all the time) & charge (2.5x) plus 3 myo's giving them a 412.51% increase to knife damage you'd cut tanks to pieces.
200 (ishukone) * 1.25 (minscout) * 1.15 (proficiency) = 287.5 per knife. Multiply that by 2.5 for charged knives and you get 718.75 damage per knife.
Myo's would jump that up to ~3000 damage per charged swing... knives have 50% efficiency vs vehicles though, but you'd still be doing ~ 2000ish dps with just ishukone nova knives on a 3 myo minscout. I mean if this was how it worked no one would be complaining about madrugars.
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No-one-ganks like-Gaston
Seykal Expeditionary Group
Minmatar Republic
350
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Posted - 2015.07.22 09:37:00 -
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Mina Longstrike wrote:No-one-ganks like-Gaston wrote:Mina Longstrike wrote:4) Myofibril stims have absolutely nothing to do with knives, those mods only affect melee and jumping. Knives are not affected by them at all. Are you serious? Holy ****. Yes. Having a 90% increase to knife damage would be insane. accounting for minscout (25%), proficiency (1.15, knives are the only weapon that retains old proficiency increases which make them better against everything all the time) & charge (2.5x) plus 3 myo's giving them a 412.5% increase to knife damage you'd cut tanks to pieces. 200 (ishukone) * 1.25 (minscout) * 1.15 (proficiency) = 287.5 per knife. Multiply that by 2.5 for charged knives and you get 718.75 damage per knife. Myo's would jump that up to ~3000 damage per charged swing... knives have 50% efficiency vs vehicles though, but you'd still be doing ~ 2000ish dps with just ishukone nova knives on a 3 myo minscout. I mean if this was how it worked no one would be complaining about madrugars.
I hadn't attempted to do all the math and had honestly forgotten about the bonuses. I thought the massive damage knives got were from the myos. Well then. Duly noted. |
Genral69 death
Random Gunz
Rise Of Legion.
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Posted - 2015.07.22 09:56:00 -
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Mina Longstrike wrote:No-one-ganks like-Gaston wrote:Mina Longstrike wrote:4) Myofibril stims have absolutely nothing to do with knives, those mods only affect melee and jumping. Knives are not affected by them at all. Are you serious? Holy ****. Yes. Having a 90% increase to knife damage per mod would be insane. accounting for minscout (25%), proficiency (1.15, knives are the only weapon that retains old proficiency increases which make them better against everything all the time) & charge (2.5x) plus 3 myo's giving them a 412.51% increase to knife damage you'd cut tanks to pieces. 200 (ishukone) * 1.25 (minscout) * 1.15 (proficiency) = 287.5 per knife. Multiply that by 2.5 for charged knives and you get 718.75 damage per knife. Myo's would jump that up to ~3000 damage per charged swing... knives have 50% efficiency vs vehicles though, but you'd still be doing ~ 2000ish dps with just ishukone nova knives on a 3 myo minscout. I mean if this was how it worked no one would be complaining about madrugars.
Your good with numbers, question
What would the damage of advanced knifes be with all the bonus ?
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MINA Longstrike
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Posted - 2015.07.22 10:01:00 -
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Genral69 death wrote:Your good with numbers, question
What would the damage of advanced knifes be with all the bonus ?
Off the top of my head I recall advanced knives being 160 damage?
So 160 * 1.25 * 1.15 = 230 damage uncharged, or 575 charged.
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Sicerly Yaw
Corrosive Synergy
No Context
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Posted - 2015.07.22 11:05:00 -
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Mina Longstrike wrote:1) The listed number is uncharged & per knife. Charged value is 2.5x listed per knife.
2) Knives are either uncharged or fully charged. they do not get damage from partial charges.
3) Melee damage is entirely separate of knife damage. If you punch with a knife held, you do punch damage with punch range. Knives outrange melee strikes (which have a roughly ~1m range) by about 1.5m (knives have about a 2.5m range).
4) Myofibril stims have absolutely nothing to do with knives, those mods only affect melee and jumping. Knives are not affected by them at all.
I am not too sure about having to fully charge to get extra damage but everything is correct
I would like to point out that the damage stated is per hit on knifes, every time you press the button you swing both knifes they each hit a single point so you could hit once and miss the second hit, or hit two targets with the press of one button if you moved just right and they are close enough together
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