DUST Search - Waiting to port is going to bite CCP hard.

Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote:

Meee One wrote:

or warframes whopping 309k.

Considering that Warframe is a HIGH health shooter, and Dust is a LOW health shooter. I don't predict much of that base changing, or even looking in this direction.

Over there, the maps are multi-leveled and the enemy can travel above you or around you at all times, and detection is limited to engagements. Here? We have a magical bubble that surrounds us in the form of radar, and battles on anything other than a flat surface are shunned.

To basically become more functional on the PS3 the devs need to:
1. Reduce suit quantities to just a few core 3-D models. (partially done)
2. Get rid of dynamic lighting (or greatly reduce the use-- buildings shouldn't need dynamic shadows if the sun doesn't move). It may be a nice thing to have... but sadly, the consoles tend to jitter to heck around them. Possibly a thing for the PC.
3. Make maps a permanent feature, instead of the "node" system we have now. It may not seem like it, but stable maps seem to increase performance.
4. Create new maps and bake the "Mood" into them. --This will give us something to run through, and keep the place looking relatively pretty.

Once those are done, we might be in the green for a transfer.

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Meee One Amakakeru-Ryu-no-Hirameki 1	Posted - 2015.07.22 02:05:00 - [1] - Quote As some know,f2p has suddenly become semi popular in the games industry. And as such games like planetside 2 are released to garner that type of audience. And even warframe has a niche. With h1z1 coming to Ps4 "soon" as well. This all equals an ever shrinking pool of players willing to draw themselves from these games because of investments made in them. I'm speaking about the content controlled Ps4,because on PC it becomes even harder vs all the other options present. If CCP wishes to obtain some of planetside 2s 43k,or warframes whopping 309k. The sooner it ports,the better. Glitches and all. Planetside frequently crashes/ed,players don't render in until they are on top of you,add in friendly fire...all the time. And,IMHO Dust on Ps3 and Planetside on Ps4 are graphically similar. And it still has 43k likes. Those 43k could be Dusts' and all the money they pay in could be too. Official Blueberry of the Forums. Title given by my #1 fan Sgt Kirk.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 12	Posted - 2015.07.22 03:37:00 - [2] - Quote CCP are almost done here with optimizing Dust and fixing a lot of the problem is has judging from the progress we have all seen on the Trello Development Road Map. https://trello.com/b/R44szWCe/dust-514-development-roadmap In the words of my CEO (and current CPM1 member) Kevall Longstride as he sent a corp-wide mail recently: "It is becoming obvious now that as the PS3 enters its probable final year in production, that it's increasingly likely that Dust will be making the jump to a new format if all goes well. Should that leap happen I want to be there and ensure that your footprints in the sandbox are honored by CCP." You can get in touch with him in the link below. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=209027&find=unread Eve Online Invite https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=ed64524f-15ca-4997-ab92-eaae0af74b7f&action=buddy
Golden Day Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 2	Posted - 2015.07.22 03:54:00 - [3] - Quote If you don't want to give dust a expiration date it will be on PC There is already probably a half finished or somewhat finished version of legion or whatever the name will be on PC that will be announced at either fanfest 2016 or 2017....im just guessing Im just a glorified blueberry
SELINA Silvermist Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 2	Posted - 2015.07.22 03:58:00 - [4] - Quote Yes, there are many good reasons to port to the PS4 but unless Dust moves to PC we will have the same discussion in a couple years.
Golden Day Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 2	Posted - 2015.07.22 04:05:00 - [5] - Quote SELINA Silvermist wrote: Yes, there are many good reasons to port to the PS4 but unless Dust moves to PC we will have the same discussion in a couple years. But don't forget your LAZORS will be in HD and your gold too and more eve links Im just a glorified blueberry
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 1	Posted - 2015.07.22 04:18:00 - [6] - Quote Meee One wrote: or warframes whopping 309k. Considering that Warframe is a HIGH health shooter, and Dust is a LOW health shooter. I don't predict much of that base changing, or even looking in this direction. Over there, the maps are multi-leveled and the enemy can travel above you or around you at all times, and detection is limited to engagements. Here? We have a magical bubble that surrounds us in the form of radar, and battles on anything other than a flat surface are shunned. To basically become more functional on the PS3 the devs need to: 1. Reduce suit quantities to just a few core 3-D models. (partially done) 2. Get rid of dynamic lighting (or greatly reduce the use-- buildings shouldn't need dynamic shadows if the sun doesn't move). It may be a nice thing to have... but sadly, the consoles tend to jitter to heck around them. Possibly a thing for the PS4. 3. Make maps a permanent feature, instead of the "node" system we have now. It may not seem like it, but stable maps seem to increase performance. 4. Create new maps and bake the "Mood" into them. --This will give us something to run through, and keep the place looking relatively pretty. Once those are done, we might be in the green for a transfer. http://youtu.be/dtXupQg77SU Dust to Dust Remember the dream you had before the day you were born.
Golden Day Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 2	Posted - 2015.07.22 04:24:00 - [7] - Quote Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote: Meee One wrote: or warframes whopping 309k. Considering that Warframe is a HIGH health shooter, and Dust is a LOW health shooter. I don't predict much of that base changing, or even looking in this direction. Over there, the maps are multi-leveled and the enemy can travel above you or around you at all times, and detection is limited to engagements. Here? We have a magical bubble that surrounds us in the form of radar, and battles on anything other than a flat surface are shunned. To basically become more functional on the PS3 the devs need to: 1. Reduce suit quantities to just a few core 3-D models. (partially done) 2. Get rid of dynamic lighting (or greatly reduce the use-- buildings shouldn't need dynamic shadows if the sun doesn't move). It may be a nice thing to have... but sadly, the consoles tend to jitter to heck around them. Possibly a thing for the PC. 3. Make maps a permanent feature, instead of the "node" system we have now. It may not seem like it, but stable maps seem to increase performance. 4. Create new maps and bake the "Mood" into them. --This will give us something to run through, and keep the place looking relatively pretty. Once those are done, we might be in the green for a transfer. FTFY One little error. Im just a glorified blueberry
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 1	Posted - 2015.07.22 04:39:00 - [8] - Quote Golden Day wrote: FTFY One little error. Little? That's like mistaking Gran Turismo for Mario Kart. Same concept, different ballpark. http://youtu.be/dtXupQg77SU Dust to Dust Remember the dream you had before the day you were born.
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens RUST415 4	Posted - 2015.07.22 07:33:00 - [9] - Quote Honestly, if Rouge Wedding, The extensive silence before 1.9 was announced, and CCP being very guarded with any kind of information about a possible transition hasn't already caused irreparable damage I Think they have very little to worry about. The fans and customers have been incredibly understanding so far, at least the ones that remain. "This is B.S! This is B.S! I paid money! Cash money, dollars money, cash money!"
Fizzer XCIV Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 2	Posted - 2015.07.22 09:40:00 - [10] - Quote Too late. PS2 released. Competition won. If they decided to jump the sinking ship when they should have rather than hanging onto a floating board for almost a year too long, they might have been able to really compete. Now though? No. Too late. Took too long adding pointless mechanics like warbarges and stuff. Home at Last <3

Genral69 death Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 521	Posted - 2015.07.22 10:21:00 - [11] - Quote As this suggestion has been mentioned HUNDREDS of times, I'm sure ccp have at least considered it . As a big psn gamer I would love it to stay with playstation. But maybe it wouldn't have to stay with just 1 platform. Anyway if this ship is going down, I'm going down with her https://dust514.com/recruit/R6VwQe/ Sign up today to Help get you and me get free stuff
Karam Arami The Knights Of NewEden 50	Posted - 2015.07.22 11:06:00 - [12] - Quote Genral69 death wrote: As this suggestion has been mentioned HUNDREDS of times, I'm sure ccp have at least considered it . As a big psn gamer I would love it to stay with playstation. But maybe it wouldn't have to stay with just 1 platform. Anyway if this ship is going down, I'm going down with her Me too! It's been a pleasure playing with you gentlemen.... One last concert for our patrons? begins playing violin (T-T)¬('~')/ CHECKMATE!!!
Viktor Hadah Jr 0uter.Heaven 9	Posted - 2015.07.22 11:27:00 - [13] - Quote Meee One wrote: And it still has 43k likes. Those 43k could be Dusts' and all the money they pay in could be too. Likes Dafuq you on about there? I'm kind of a big deal. Selling many things again click link
Anaheim Darko Corrosive Synergy No Context 941	Posted - 2015.07.22 11:31:00 - [14] - Quote I hope it s a PS4 port, if they port. There's no guarantee, but this game has so much potential for immersion in the Eve-verse. Assault ck.0. Scout ck.0. Sentinel ck.0 Commando cK.0
Genral69 death Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 524	Posted - 2015.07.22 14:33:00 - [15] - Quote Karam Arami wrote: Genral69 death wrote: As this suggestion has been mentioned HUNDREDS of times, I'm sure ccp have at least considered it . As a big psn gamer I would love it to stay with playstation. But maybe it wouldn't have to stay with just 1 platform. Anyway if this ship is going down, I'm going down with her Me too! It's been a pleasure playing with you gentlemen.... One last concert for our patrons? begins playing violin If this is really the end , will you join me in one last pointless charge ? https://dust514.com/recruit/R6VwQe/ Sign up today to Help get you and me get free stuff
LOL KILLZ LOS INADAPTADOS 257	Posted - 2015.07.22 14:44:00 - [16] - Quote Port to PS4 plz. I'm getting one as soon as FF7 releases. I'd love to see this community flourish on a new platform. And now that I have over 25 million SP I'd hate to see all my progress be for nothing \0/
Karam Arami The Knights Of NewEden 52	Posted - 2015.07.22 15:09:00 - [17] - Quote LOL KILLZ wrote: Port to PS4 plz. I'm getting one as soon as FF7 releases. I'd love to see this community flourish on a new platform. And now that I have over 25 million SP I'd hate to see all my progress be for nothing Me too 35 mil for.me id like to see my dust baby grow to q 60 mil adult! (T-T)¬('~')/ CHECKMATE!!!
Mejt0 Dead Man's Game 1	Posted - 2015.07.22 15:28:00 - [18] - Quote You act like you need to choose. You can play several titles. You don't have to chose one and stick to it. Posting more "port Dust to X because it's dying, better games available blah blah" thread x99 Loyal to The State Official Caldari Commando User
DUST Fiend 17	Posted - 2015.07.22 15:46:00 - [19] - Quote Just wanna say, DUST and PS2 have virtually no similarities in terms of how well they look. PS2s art style isn't really my thing but it's amazingly crisp and I keep near 60 fps with over 100 people in the area. I can barely keep over 20 fps in this game with 5 people around, and things constantly struggle to render just a few feet away, vs PS2 where everything renders perfectly at a very large distance. This game can't be ported because CCP doesn't have the manpower or the ability to go back into the old code. You can't just copy paste it. Unless they are secretly working on Legion behind the scenes, you can safely assume this game will never go to a proper system
Karam Arami The Knights Of NewEden 53	Posted - 2015.07.22 15:48:00 - [20] - Quote Mejt0 wrote: You act like you need to choose. You can play several titles. You don't have to chose one and stick to it. Posting more "port Dust to X because it's dying, better games available blah blah" thread x99 Everything you choose in life adds a different flavor, even a video game! It's like ice cream! Delicious and yummy and here you are pouring ketchup on our delicious chocolate, vanilla whatever. See our point of view, dust really is fun and has brought a unique flavor to the choices we make in game. Wouldn't you like to EAT OUR DUST!!!? (T-T)¬('~')/ CHECKMATE!!!

Soldner VonKuechle SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 2	Posted - 2015.07.22 18:21:00 - [21] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: This game can't be ported because CCP doesn't have the manpower or the ability to go back into the old code. You can't just copy paste it. Unless they are secretly working on Legion behind the scenes, you can safely assume this game will never go to a proper system ... You know that happened immediately when Rouge was hired right? He split the devs up so half could limp along dust while half built legion in total secrecy? I doubt its happening again, but i cant rule it out entirely like you can. Currently in recluse bitter-vet mode.
Tech Ohm Eaven Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 1	Posted - 2015.07.22 20:11:00 - [22] - Quote Mejt0 wrote: You act like you need to choose. You can play several titles. You don't have to chose one and stick to it. Posting more "port Dust to X because it's dying, better games available blah blah" thread x99 right, right, right like just dance 2016 on ps3 or how about hardcore barbie and her sisters puppy rescue on ps3 or Disney infinity on ps3 super duper hard core skylanders super chargers on ps3 but what about high profile extra goodies games? like bloodborne on ps3? lol no well then how about the witcher 3 on ps3? lol nope ummm how about fallout four on ps3? lol nope last gen hardware sales are dying last gen new game production is dying
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10	Posted - 2015.07.22 22:22:00 - [23] - Quote I truly believe Dust will make it off the PS3 eventually, and honestly I've always been the one to say that when it does the focus should be PS4 because they need to respect the player base they've already created. However as the years pass, I'm slowly stitching stance to support a PC version primarily. With already a good load of free to play titles on ps4 and bigger AAA titles starting to roll in full force, I'm really doubting how successful Dust could be on PS4 alone. A PC version needs to happen, and if resources are available a PS4 version alongside. Luckily PS4 is much more similar to a PC than the PS3, so who knows. If it does come to PS4 and PC (big If) cross play will be a must, which Sony has already proven to be flexible with. Praetoriani Classiarii Templares = PIE Inc, Amarr dedicated Corp Channel for AFW Squads & Orbitals: PIE Ground Control
Meee One Amakakeru-Ryu-no-Hirameki 1	Posted - 2015.07.22 22:49:00 - [24] - Quote No where was i implying "Dust was dying". And people who still want PC only are being selfish,simply because they already have gaming PCs. But from a business standpoint,Ps4 is the sound choice. Not convenient,sound. Dust on PC would have to compete against hundreds of other F2ps of many genres.(Google F2ps FFS) While Dust on Ps4 would only compete vs like 10,if that. And it would have the unique trait of connecting 2 platforms simultaneously. A first in gaming history. And that alone would increase its fame,if only out of curiosity. Dust can be the WoW of Ps4,or it can be "another F2p in the list of hundreds" on PC. If you were going to set up shop. Would it be among 5 other vendors,where you can advertise in a talking tone? (cheap) Or among 100+ other vendors,where you must use a megaphone or marching band to even be looked at? (expensive) The answer is obvious,less competition = more money. And if Dust ports releatively soon,it can establish a fan base with which to advertise with,thus growing at even less expense. Official Blueberry of the Forums. Title given by my #1 fan Sgt Kirk.
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10	Posted - 2015.07.23 00:09:00 - [25] - Quote I would have to completely disagree with you. PC seems like a far safer business choice. Sure there's more competition but there's also more of an audience. Not saying there isn't an audience for free to play shooters on PS4, just saying there's a greater one. I would partially agree that a lot of the people wanting Dust to move to PC probably do already own a gaming PC and are thinking selfishly, though the same could be said that those who want it on PS4 don't have a gaming PC and are thinking selfishly. It's really a tough call, assuming that most people who owned a PS3 will more likely own just a PS4 opposed to a PS4 and PC or just a PC, then the respectful thing to do would be focus on putting Dust on PS4 above all else. On the other hand, if Dust is more likely to succeed on PC, then what good would doing the respectful thing be if it dies on PS4 shortly after? If it's only way to succeed is on PC at least it still exists. Of course then the question becomes which is it more likely to succeed on which is very opinionated. Again the best choice would be to put it on both, and I'm no expert on the video game market but I see studios smaller than CCP get titles onto multiple platforms so I really don't know why they can't. Aside: There are many games that connected multiple platforms simultaneously in the past, such as Portal 2 between PC and PS3, Warthunder between PC and PS4, and Rocket League between PC and PS4. Praetoriani Classiarii Templares = PIE Inc, Amarr dedicated Corp Channel for AFW Squads & Orbitals: PIE Ground Control
Thaddeus Reynolds Facepunch Security 334	Posted - 2015.07.23 00:13:00 - [26] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: I would have to completely disagree with you. PC seems like a far safer business choice. Sure there's more competition but there's also more of an audience. Not saying there isn't an audience for free to play shooters on PS4, just saying there's a greater one. I would partially agree that a lot of the people wanting Dust to move to PC probably do already own a gaming PC and are thinking selfishly, the same could be said that those who want it on PS4 don't have a gaming PC and ate thinking selfishly. It's really a tough call, assuming that most people who owned a PS3 will more likely own just a PS4 opposed to a PS4 and PC or just a PC, then the respectful thing to do would be focus on putting Dust on PS4 above all else. On the other hand, if Dust is more likely to succeed on PC, then what good would doing the respectful thing be if it dies on PS4 shortly after? If it's only way to succeed is on PC at least it still exists. Of course then the question becomes which is it more likely to succeed on which is very opinionated. Again the best choice would be to put it on both, and I'm no expert on the video game market but I see studios smaller than CCP get titles onto multiple platforms so I really don't know why they can't. First of all...Aero you're alive? Second...I'd prefer PC as the primary port, but since both PC and PS4 work on an x86 Architecture, it shouldn't be too hard to port to both...and provided they still retain control over the servers on the PS4, it would allow them to avoid segmenting the console/pc community. But for the longevity of the game, the PC is the way to go. Khanid Logi and Tanker, sometimes AV Heavy or Sniper. Vehicle Re-vamp Proposal
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10	Posted - 2015.07.23 00:19:00 - [27] - Quote Aero Yassavi doesn't die. My forum KD is 10,656 and 0. But yes absolutely both! It feels so trivial getting into heated debates between PC and PS4 when there's really no reason not to have both along with cross play. The only thing I can think off is being able to log onto the same account whether you log on from PS4 or PC. Of all the PS/PC games I know of, not one let's you do this and I'm not sure if there's some technical or legal reason for it. I imagine not. Praetoriani Classiarii Templares = PIE Inc, Amarr dedicated Corp Channel for AFW Squads & Orbitals: PIE Ground Control


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