Have fun playing Division!

We don't need 16 man teams.... It would be nice but honestly it's not hard to qsync two squads of 8. It sounds more like you are having trouble of getting 16 players together to field a team. 16 man squads won't help that. 8 man squads are enough to highly contest one or two points of a map, you can still win if the blue berry's do at least something even if's just be a distraction and die.

Sadly the biggest problem in FW are people who do nothing at all, but then again it's the same in pubs. Most of the time their not even spies, their just lazy players. Not that there isn't a time to give up and stop feeding the enemy KDR but a lot of people sit back and spin in the MCC from the start.

Caldari Assault with Rail Rifle and BP, want to make another assumption, good sir?

1) Clarify please.
2) This isn't balanced
3) This isn't balanced, and it wouldn't fix any of the problems you're having in Gallente FW. In fact it would only lead to you being crushed even harder.

Goodbye and good riddance. By the way I was thoroughly amused when you came into STF the other day and threw a tantrum about all the 'qsyncers' there (which we haven't had to actually do in a while), it was funny cause no one was on voice in the channel and five plus separate 8 man squads were running. This tantrum is incredibly ironic given your desire for 16man squads because that would just lead to you losing even worse and harder.

Guess being a gallente loyalist isn't so good anymore now that it's no longer easy mode.

Of course they are. A large number of them have struggled through the down periods of Cal FW and were instrumental in being able to draw together a player base as well as attract the attentions of those corps who act as balance breakers.

They're all still there too.

I never saw the negative thing removed but I never play against my factions so I do not know. If it was removed that definitely needs to be brought back and possibly made even more harsh.


I can vouch that level 10 standings are a bit crazy. I have had Amarr at level 10 for quite some time and can honestly say that was the biggest grind in Dust. Assuming you do not ever get kicked it takes roughly 621 WINS to achieve level 10. At an average of 18 minutes per battle that is 186.3 hours just in wins. Depending on your faction of choice and how much you work with squads or queue syncs that can easily be multiplied by any number. I think this is very well deserving of a special reward much better than a roughly 7% pay increase per match.

As far as what that reward should be, I think access to purchase officer weapons from that faction is my favorite idea. These would obviously come at a huge LP cost along with only unlocking at level 10. I think it is only fitting that the highest ranking members of said faction would have access to the highest level weapons of that faction. It really ties in nicely instead of just being a generic "here's another suit / skin". Considering the only source of officer weapons now is pretty much strongboxes that would also offset a little bit of the p2w feel that is only growing as of late.

And those are what we call loyalists......almost by the very definition.....

There is already unlimited officer weapons sold to proto stompers by way of people dumping $$$ in the game and that does not even require any grind. Also they would not be unlimited because as I noted they would still come at a high LP cost. How would giving people the option to buy 1 officer weapon of a specific type after 1 win be more OP than giving out a fully fitted free advance suit?

If we are not going to get any actual benefit from having level 10 then we may as well just have the option to replace our LR with our FW standings.

This seems to be when the gal were winning everything was fine, now u are losing most matches, fw is broke
Try to deny, but ur being quite vocal after only suffering grievous losses, other than sqd deploy there's been no other real reason y ur suddenly concerned

Yeah more incentives for fw would be great, but the mode is hardly "broken"

I know what suits you run cos again I see u die in a corner with said burning owl attached

As for the pro/anti grind, I try to keep in mind that fw is about all players an not just those doing 1 faction fw every session so putting in endgame goals isn't going to appeal to everyone, I'm ok with grinding personally, just hit cal 9 and am rarely seen outside of CFW for a long time

As for who I am and if I actually play dust.... I'll just let that one hang

Lol Middas would wreck you Smoky =ƒÿü

The real problems in FW ... are:

Lag in a few maps. (Rattati is working on this !)

People Quiting after see a strong enemy and... just search "easy battles"

Random Berries... Sometimes you go 8 squad members... and 8 randomberies VS 16 Full Corp (needs to be locket the access until you got almost 10,000,000 SP...)

The reward if you loose... (it's ok... don't give me points to the faction... but give me at last 25% or 30% of the LP... If my level is level 7... and I get 1,650 LP for a win... give me 412 LP if I loose.. not 330 (20%)....

I'm serious Middas could wreck you

Good for you want a cookie?

Smokey.

I have taken absolutely nothing out of this entire thread except that god damn can you whine and you don't seem to actually know what you're talking about. Drink some water, man, and go see a doctor, 'cus you've been pissing all over the place and I'm worried you'll pass out soon.

I'm starting to think he may be lady hellfire's alt...

Bud I held the #1 spot in the world playing Rainbow six (a real fps) for many years, my fast twitch and tactics are unparalleled.. Not to mention im an actual soldier, not just a forum warrior..I'm not bragging but I doubt many scouts can go for 60kills with a shotty, while hacking all your bases and hunting you links etc...But hey maybe you know something I don't? Like how much ISK he's spending on his officer gear? If he was capable of taking me to school solo I'd remember his name..

Madame, please remove whatever blockage you may have inserted into thine irritated posterior post haste so that you may better hear what I dost have to say to thee.

No one cares about your KD/R, how you do in other games, your real life, or what you think about the game. I have been here barely seven or eight months and I can tell your opinion is trash.

And before any sort of '1v1 me scrub' happens, no. I know I'd lose. I'm a support player, I'm no good at the pewpew.

1. Doable, though no one would care.

2.Sure handsome reward, It's already made to be between basic and adv, unless you want them buffed to be the same as adv, then, YES PLEASE. No please to increase LP or ISK, caldari suit's are only their best at Proto level, due to CPU and PG. Only having 1 suit at a time? Like only 1 account having 1 suit? What's the point, its not like we have A.I. walking around with our suit, smashing you down. And it won't change one sided qsync's as they'd still be proto stomps.

3.Player base, if you need to win so badly, side up with Nyain Clan, or anyone from Phoenix Federation.

Once more, enjoy playing Division, you're not getting your way, and it won't benefit anyone, since most player's aren't gonna care for FW in the first place, remember, it doesn't give real money or isk .

1. Doable, though no one would care.

2.Sure handsome reward, It's already made to be between basic and adv, unless you want them buffed to be the same as adv, then, YES PLEASE. No please to increase LP or ISK, caldari suit's are only their best at Proto level, due to CPU and PG. Only having 1 suit at a time? Like only 1 account having 1 suit? What's the point, its not like we have A.I. walking around with our suit, smashing you down. And it won't change one sided qsync's as they'd still be proto stomps.

3.Player base, if you need to win so badly, side up with Nyain Clan, or anyone from Phoenix Federation.

Once more, enjoy playing Division, you're not getting your way, and it won't benefit anyone, since most player's aren't gonna care for FW in the first place, remember, it doesn't give real money or isk .

I agree, we should make FW solo queue only because those pesky syncers shouldn't play in Dust 514's most competitive game-mode outside of PC. Little cretins can go back to Molden He-

Oh. I've been made.

Ohh smokey remeber when u came to the cal chat n said cal aint **** n we stomped u n everyone sent u a message saying gal aint **** 3 matches in a row lol yea middas was there for that he our best ob pilot and has stomped u more times than I can count on his dust toon. Lol now if u wanna play dumb n say "who r u nelo" im the guy who tea bagged u almost everytime I kill u so u dnt forget

You're an idiot if you think FWs need kickstarting anymore. I've seen FWs going constantly ever since 8 man squads were implemented. Just admit you were talking trash and got stomped in response.

You have no smack game, though. Literally the best insults you've come up with here are 'you're a scrub, 1v1 me' and 'you're gay'. And considering the gay insult was directed at someone who is actually gay, that's pretty much 50% of your ammo taken away from you.

I realize you come primarily from a community of shooters and telling people they're bad at the game and they're gay is all you're used to spilling out, but maybe I can help you out.

I'm gay and I still banged your mom.

There, now try to do one better. We can get through this.

Together.

any time i see you on gallente you have barely half a squad and caldari always has 2 squads either que syncing or just ending up in the same match, is this another thread about how teamwork is OP and needs a nerf?
and if you increased the cost of APEX, NO ONE WOULD WANT THEM, YOU CAN LITERALLY BUY 3333 PROTO SUITS

This thread makes me doubt humanity and as such makes me sad.

Plz lock before Smoky chokes on his own shtpost

Rewarding level 10 faction loyalty with a special proto/advanced tier APEX suit won't make FW better. Putting 16 man platoons into FW won't make FW better. For the reasons listed below.

Caldari is currently stomping Gallente very hard. Even for new players, getting to rank 10 in Caldari will be much easier than it would be for someone in Gallente. If Caldari players get their special rank 10 proto APEX suit they'll start using that against the Gallente, which means they can continue their stomp without any risk of ISK loss, one of the few deterrents to running all proto all the time in FW, while the Gallente will still be struggling, still unable to reach rank 10 because you only get Faction Standing on a win, and be losing ISK to people who won't be losing anything.

16 man platoons being placed into FW won't improve match quality because... Caldari is currently stomping Gallente with 'q-syncs'. Let's say they've got somewhere between 12 and 16 people at any given time. They're matched together constantly, they're organized, they all know each other, know how to communicate, know how to take and give orders. They will generally beat unorganized teams. Allowing 16 man platoons into FW so that people can pull randoms from the Squad Finder won't give you an advantage. It will just give you a bunch of stupid green dots instead of stupid blue dots. Changing the color of the dot does not raise their intelligence. They will still have the solo player mindset. They will still want to be independent, and if they don't agree with your order they won't talk to you about it reasonably, they'll tell you you're stupid and just flat out ignore you. And you'll still be fighting against the exact same Caldari stompers who are currently winning with their 'q-syncs'.

Unless you're suggesting that you want 16 man platoons in FW so that you can pull in a bunch of your own organized buddies and win the day for Gallente? In which case, why don't you do that right now? With 8 man squads? And give Caldari a taste of their medicine?

[quote=Smoky The Bear]Thats alot of thoughts from such a small minded bish.. It would not be an overnight fix, but would address people jumping sides when ever the tide shifts.. Which is the reason Caldari is currently winning.. People got an GFW apex or two the decided to go over to Caldari cuz its easier.. If you can't understand that ..your just plain stupid or are playing the metagame
And if Caldari syncs every match why would you not want an easier way to sqd up? Scared of losing the advantage?

In that case, I'm convinced you're stupid. It's not about just saying 'no, I don't like that', it's about looking at something and recognizing what problems it may cause, not just how it might help some people. You want stronger APEX suits for faction loyalists? Yeah, sure, that's nifty keen. I actually like the idea of special gear for loyal fighters. But your suggestion will cause more problems than it will solve.

You do realize I said I left those matches I sabotaged, right? Meaning I get nothing from them other than the enjoyment of making it difficult for Amarr/Caldari? Look, I'll even quote the specific thing I said for you.



Not to mention I don't even do it that often. Once or twice a week, maybe.

Right here ^^^. Special level 10 loyalty rank APEX suits will only make it easier for stompers to stomp, and 16 man platoons don't give randoms an advantage over organized players, it just gives them green dots instead of blue and makes getting a full stomp team organized easier for the people who already q-sync.

If this is really all you've got for me, I'm going to bed. Remember to work on your wordplay. It's not enough to just call someone stupid, be verbose. Make an anecdote of it. Make it something they're going to remember and still be pissy about later. Practice in front of a mirror or something.

Lol dont flatter yourself wasnt for u just stomped u on the way to stomping the rest of ur team. Secondly hes stomped u before just like I have n many others not to say ur not good its fun seeing u on enemy team but ur not that good

Do they call you smoky because of all the times you've been burned on the forums?

It is not your decision as to whether anothers arguments are invalid, that decision comes from a community of informed individuals... and the community of informed individuals is largely in disagreement with you.

Gastons arguments are actually well supported and reasoned. We've asked you for clarifications, support for your arguments and reasoning behind said arguments... and you've failed to provide, everything said to you has been met with a resounding "LOL NOEP".

You might want to take a look at this image: all of your arguments have been contradiction or below, none of us understand your reasoning because you've failed to explain it and you don't seem to want to listen to any arguments that actually refute yours.

Looking back on the whole 16 Q-Sync argument I'm in some ways still on the fence. It could theoretically help organised groups out a great deal considering they are already doing this anyway, at the same time it literally could make FW a player wherein the individual player has not place,,,,,

That's certainly not what I want, a peaceful (as peaceful and immortal clone warfare gets) it what the ideal medium would be. A system that allows a degree of flexibility for players who don't want to be tied down the a faction while presenting the options with appropriate tone and maturity while also actively benefiting those who do wish to work solely for a faction.

That being said I don't agree with Lvl 10 exclusive dropsuit skins and what not. That's not how FW should work, FW should only be measured in what you are willing to contribute to the faction and by what that faction offers you in return in LP. Nor am I a fan of having an Empire government just throw out 50,000,000 ISK packages at FW players

.....with that out of the way I can just wait for Smokey to tell me I'm a faction hopping pseudo pub star with no sense of loyalty. When this happens this thread will be complete for me.

I have never played FW

Once I realised you have to wait for up to 10 minutes for one game I simply didn't bother

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