DUST Search - Factional is broken..here's the Very EZ fix..

No-one-ganks like-Gaston wrote:

Rewarding level 10 faction loyalty with a special proto/advanced tier APEX suit won't make FW better. Putting 16 man platoons into FW won't make FW better. For the reasons listed below.

Caldari is currently stomping Gallente very hard. Even for new players, getting to rank 10 in Caldari will be much easier than it would be for someone in Gallente. If Caldari players get their special rank 10 proto APEX suit they'll start using that against the Gallente, which means they can continue their stomp without any risk of ISK loss, one of the few deterrents to running all proto all the time in FW, while the Gallente will still be struggling, still unable to reach rank 10 because you only get Faction Standing on a win, and be losing ISK to people who won't be losing anything.

16 man platoons being placed into FW won't improve match quality because... Caldari is currently stomping Gallente with 'q-syncs'. Let's say they've got somewhere between 12 and 16 people at any given time. They're matched together constantly, they're organized, they all know each other, know how to communicate, know how to take and give orders. They will generally beat unorganized teams. Allowing 16 man platoons into FW so that people can pull randoms from the Squad Finder won't give you an advantage. It will just give you a bunch of stupid green dots instead of stupid blue dots. Changing the color of the dot does not raise their intelligence. They will still have the solo player mindset. They will still want to be independent, and if they don't agree with your order they won't talk to you about it reasonably, they'll tell you you're stupid and just flat out ignore you. And you'll still be fighting against the exact same Caldari stompers who are currently winning with their 'q-syncs'.


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No-one-ganks like-Gaston Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 329	Posted - 2015.07.19 04:05:00 - [1] - Quote What in the **** is going on in here.
No-one-ganks like-Gaston Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 331	Posted - 2015.07.19 05:21:00 - [2] - Quote Smokey. I have taken absolutely nothing out of this entire thread except that god damn can you whine and you don't seem to actually know what you're talking about. Drink some water, man, and go see a doctor, 'cus you've been pissing all over the place and I'm worried you'll pass out soon.
No-one-ganks like-Gaston Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 331	Posted - 2015.07.19 05:32:00 - [3] - Quote Smoky The Bear wrote: No-one-ganks like-Gaston wrote: Smokey. I have taken absolutely nothing out of this entire thread except that god damn can you whine and you don't seem to actually know what you're talking about. Drink some water, man, and go see a doctor, 'cus you've been pissing all over the place and I'm worried you'll pass out soon. Learn to read then, I stated my point very clearly sorry ur not hooked on phonics.. Madame, please remove whatever blockage you may have inserted into thine irritated posterior post haste so that you may better hear what I dost have to say to thee. No one cares about your KD/R, how you do in other games, your real life, or what you think about the game. I have been here barely seven or eight months and I can tell your opinion is trash. And before any sort of '1v1 me scrub' happens, no. I know I'd lose. I'm a support player, I'm no good at the pewpew.
No-one-ganks like-Gaston Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 331	Posted - 2015.07.19 05:42:00 - [4] - Quote Smoky The Bear wrote: No-one-ganks like-Gaston wrote: Smoky The Bear wrote: No-one-ganks like-Gaston wrote: Smokey. I have taken absolutely nothing out of this entire thread except that god damn can you whine and you don't seem to actually know what you're talking about. Drink some water, man, and go see a doctor, 'cus you've been pissing all over the place and I'm worried you'll pass out soon. Learn to read then, I stated my point very clearly sorry ur not hooked on phonics.. Madame, please remove whatever blockage you may have inserted into thine irritated posterior post haste so that you may better hear what I dost have to say to thee. No one cares about your KD/R, how you do in other games, your real life, or what you think about the game. I have been here barely seven or eight months and I can tell your opinion is trash. And before any sort of '1v1 me scrub' happens, no. I know I'd lose. I'm a support player, I'm no good at the pewpew. You are however, very good at running ur manpleaser.. Anyone else wanna take a shot at me for stating the obvious? Considering I'm actually gay, you're gonna have to work a lot harder than implying I put man parts into my mouth to insult me.
No-one-ganks like-Gaston Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 332	Posted - 2015.07.19 06:15:00 - [5] - Quote Smoky The Bear wrote: nelo kazuma wrote: Ohh smokey remeber when u came to the cal chat n said cal aint ** n we stomped u n everyone sent u a message saying gal aint 3 matches in a row lol yea middas was there for that he our best ob pilot and has stomped u more times than I can count on his dust toon. Lol now if u wanna play dumb n say "who r u nelo" im the guy who tea bagged u almost everytime I kill u so u dnt forget Yes I remember the time I was trying to kick start fw by talking **, and was actually laughing my ass off at all that hatemail.. BUT I was solo, and you guys brought allur best synced up stompers to kill 1 guy.. That makes him better than me? Hiding behind a sync? Lol see me 1v1 You're an idiot if you think FWs need kickstarting anymore. I've seen FWs going constantly ever since 8 man squads were implemented. Just admit you were talking trash and got stomped in response.
No-one-ganks like-Gaston Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 332	Posted - 2015.07.19 06:25:00 - [6] - Quote Smoky The Bear wrote: No-one-ganks like-Gaston wrote: Smoky The Bear wrote: nelo kazuma wrote: Ohh smokey remeber when u came to the cal chat n said cal aint ** n we stomped u n everyone sent u a message saying gal aint 3 matches in a row lol yea middas was there for that he our best ob pilot and has stomped u more times than I can count on his dust toon. Lol now if u wanna play dumb n say "who r u nelo" im the guy who tea bagged u almost everytime I kill u so u dnt forget Yes I remember the time I was trying to kick start fw by talking , and was actually laughing my ass off at all that hatemail.. BUT I was solo, and you guys brought allur best synced up stompers to kill 1 guy.. That makes him better than me? Hiding behind a sync? Lol see me 1v1 You're an idiot if you think FWs need kickstarting anymore. I've seen FWs going constantly ever since 8 man squads were implemented. Just admit you were talking trash and got stomped in response. This was some time ago, and yes it was a kick start as I've done before and since .. As was mentioned earlier.. As demonstrated here.. If I wanted to talk I would come up with something alot better than Caldari ain't **.. Lol You have no smack game, though. Literally the best insults you've come up with here are 'you're a scrub, 1v1 me' and 'you're gay'. And considering the gay insult was directed at someone who is actually gay, that's pretty much 50% of your ammo taken away from you. I realize you come primarily from a community of shooters and telling people they're bad at the game and they're gay is all you're used to spilling out, but maybe I can help you out. I'm gay and I still banged your mom. There, now try to do one better. We can get through this. Together.
No-one-ganks like-Gaston Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 332	Posted - 2015.07.19 06:56:00 - [7] - Quote Smoky The Bear wrote: Hmm i don't mind calling a horse by its name, but I'm pretty sure I haven't accused anyone of being gay today.. And since that was the backbone of ur post, your ghey, and God hates you.. Better? Nnnnthis, right here. Smoky The Bear wrote: You are however, very good at running ur manpleaser.. And im also a support player except I support my team by making sure we have links,hacking,cutting off supply lines.. I just happen to be a beast fps'r...You barking up the wrong tree talkig ** bout KDR.. That stat is irrevalent in dust.. How do you support your team? Repping some heavy and point whoring? Anyone else wanna take a shot at me for stating the obvious? You referred to my mouth as a 'manpleaser'. Therefor implying that I sucked the ding dang ding dong. Therefor implying gay. You edited it, though. Originally it only said I ran my 'manpleaser' and asked if anyone wanted to take a shot at you for stating the obvious. Implying 'yeah, I called him gay, what, you wanna fight about it'. Even with the edited extra content, your 'take a shot for stating the obvious' line doesn't make sense with anything else you said, because nothing else said correlates with something that's supposed to be 'obvious'. Unless it's supposed to be 'obvious' that I point *** as a logi, even though there's nothing at all even hinting that I do. And no, you and I support in much the same ways, assuming you're actually trying to support your team and not just going for the points. Destroying enemy up-links, placing my own, hacking objectives and installations, etc. I actually haven't logi'd much in a couple of weeks. I generally only go logi nowadays if we're in a close quarters domination match, since for some reason I'm one of the only logis my team ever has and we won't stand a chance if we don't keep the bouncers at the door in shape. But I always take the time to give everyone lacking armor some logi loving, too, and pull out my gun if needed just as a scare tactic, even if I'm not good with it. A few bullets keeps most people back. If we've got enough logis, though, I like to go forge gunner and one-shot the red heavies that think they can just barge in whenever they want. And no, your tactics are still poor. The 'God hates gays' thing is old and played out. Get creative with your remarks. My link to the salty .gif is still better than anything you've come up with so far, and I found that with idle browsing on imgur. It's like you aren't even trying to improve.
No-one-ganks like-Gaston Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 332	Posted - 2015.07.19 07:17:00 - [8] - Quote Smoky The Bear wrote: Wow you should learn to read before posting.. We are talking about a new suit that would be reward for filling up ur loyalty bar.. And making that reward go away if you aren't loyal.. And qsyncing against a team you know damn well is all randoms doesn't equal teamwork. I'm sure you could get you teamwork from an 8 man sqd.. And let's not forget that syncing is just an exploit used to gain advantage over an opponent.. So why not even the odds and make 16 man sqds? Rewarding level 10 faction loyalty with a special proto/advanced tier APEX suit won't make FW better. Putting 16 man platoons into FW won't make FW better. For the reasons listed below. Caldari is currently stomping Gallente very hard. Even for new players, getting to rank 10 in Caldari will be much easier than it would be for someone in Gallente. If Caldari players get their special rank 10 proto APEX suit they'll start using that against the Gallente, which means they can continue their stomp without any risk of ISK loss, one of the few deterrents to running all proto all the time in FW, while the Gallente will still be struggling, still unable to reach rank 10 because you only get Faction Standing on a win, and be losing ISK to people who won't be losing anything. 16 man platoons being placed into FW won't improve match quality because... Caldari is currently stomping Gallente with 'q-syncs'. Let's say they've got somewhere between 12 and 16 people at any given time. They're matched together constantly, they're organized, they all know each other, know how to communicate, know how to take and give orders. They will generally beat unorganized teams. Allowing 16 man platoons into FW so that people can pull randoms from the Squad Finder won't give you an advantage. It will just give you a bunch of stupid green dots instead of stupid blue dots. Changing the color of the dot does not raise their intelligence. They will still have the solo player mindset. They will still want to be independent, and if they don't agree with your order they won't talk to you about it reasonably, they'll tell you you're stupid and just flat out ignore you. And you'll still be fighting against the exact same Caldari stompers who are currently winning with their 'q-syncs'. Unless you're suggesting that you want 16 man platoons in FW so that you can pull in a bunch of your own organized buddies and win the day for Gallente? In which case, why don't you do that right now? With 8 man squads? And give Caldari a taste of their medicine?
No-one-ganks like-Gaston Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 332	Posted - 2015.07.19 07:30:00 - [9] - Quote Smoky The Bear wrote: Thats alot of thoughts from such a small minded bish.. It would not be an overnight fix, but would address people jumping sides when ever the tide shifts.. Which is the reason Caldari is currently winning.. People got an GFW apex or two the decided to go over to Caldari cuz its easier.. If you can't understand that ..your just plain stupid or are playing the metagame And if Caldari syncs every match why would you not want an easier way to sqd up? Scared of losing the advantage? You still have absolutely no smack game. And what advantage would I lose? I don't play Caldari. Except for their 100% nanite injectors, which I already have plenty of from some matches I played a few months back, they offer not a single thing I actually want. Gallente and Minmatar are the only FW I'll ever actually play in. If I'm in Amarr or Caldari, it's so I can get on my forge gun and destroy all their installations and CRUs before leaving the match.
No-one-ganks like-Gaston Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 332	Posted - 2015.07.19 07:39:00 - [10] - Quote Smoky The Bear wrote: I'm convinced any naysayers are just trying to keep things one sided.. In that case, I'm convinced you're stupid. It's not about just saying 'no, I don't like that', it's about looking at something and recognizing what problems it may cause, not just how it might help some people. You want stronger APEX suits for faction loyalists? Yeah, sure, that's nifty keen. I actually like the idea of special gear for loyal fighters. But your suggestion will cause more problems than it will solve.

No-one-ganks like-Gaston Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 332	Posted - 2015.07.19 07:42:00 - [11] - Quote Smoky The Bear wrote: Oooo I get it now..ur a window shopper Who wants to do all factions to get on piece of equipment from every faction.. Makes sense now, ur the exact trash that I'm trying to take out.. You too good for ur home? You do realize I said I left those matches I sabotaged, right? Meaning I get nothing from them other than the enjoyment of making it difficult for Amarr/Caldari? Look, I'll even quote the specific thing I said for you. No-one-ganks like-Gaston wrote: If I'm in Amarr or Caldari, it's so I can get on my forge gun and destroy all their installations and CRUs before leaving the match. Not to mention I don't even do it that often. Once or twice a week, maybe.
No-one-ganks like-Gaston Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 332	Posted - 2015.07.19 07:47:00 - [12] - Quote Smoky The Bear wrote: And yet you fail to mention what these 'problems' might be.. No-one-ganks like-Gaston wrote: Rewarding level 10 faction loyalty with a special proto/advanced tier APEX suit won't make FW better. Putting 16 man platoons into FW won't make FW better. For the reasons listed below. Caldari is currently stomping Gallente very hard. Even for new players, getting to rank 10 in Caldari will be much easier than it would be for someone in Gallente. If Caldari players get their special rank 10 proto APEX suit they'll start using that against the Gallente, which means they can continue their stomp without any risk of ISK loss, one of the few deterrents to running all proto all the time in FW, while the Gallente will still be struggling, still unable to reach rank 10 because you only get Faction Standing on a win, and be losing ISK to people who won't be losing anything. 16 man platoons being placed into FW won't improve match quality because... Caldari is currently stomping Gallente with 'q-syncs'. Let's say they've got somewhere between 12 and 16 people at any given time. They're matched together constantly, they're organized, they all know each other, know how to communicate, know how to take and give orders. They will generally beat unorganized teams. Allowing 16 man platoons into FW so that people can pull randoms from the Squad Finder won't give you an advantage. It will just give you a bunch of stupid green dots instead of stupid blue dots. Changing the color of the dot does not raise their intelligence. They will still have the solo player mindset. They will still want to be independent, and if they don't agree with your order they won't talk to you about it reasonably, they'll tell you you're stupid and just flat out ignore you. And you'll still be fighting against the exact same Caldari stompers who are currently winning with their 'q-syncs'. Right here ^^^. Special level 10 loyalty rank APEX suits will only make it easier for stompers to stomp, and 16 man platoons don't give randoms an advantage over organized players, it just gives them green dots instead of blue and makes getting a full stomp team organized easier for the people who already q-sync.
No-one-ganks like-Gaston Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 332	Posted - 2015.07.19 08:00:00 - [13] - Quote If this is really all you've got for me, I'm going to bed. Remember to work on your wordplay. It's not enough to just call someone stupid, be verbose. Make an anecdote of it. Make it something they're going to remember and still be pissy about later. Practice in front of a mirror or something.