First off I have a few things to say before I continue, Apocalyptic Destroyer, just cause you don't have anything proper to say you just decide to hate on other peoples posts, man rethink what you say you hateful ____. Another point, all of you racist ______ that hate on Nyain Chan, man eat a fat ____. I ain't Asian but you guys are proper racist, so maybe you should shut your mouths for once, there ain't nothing wrong with being Asian.

Now to the point, a few people have been saying that the Beta "Legends" are the best players that ever played Dust and only a few good players still remain, I will now explain why this statement is wrong. But for you to understand me I need you to be open minded and understand everything I say. So when a Call of Duty game is released you have lots of people get it and play it for a few months and get really good at it, then there is a second wave of players at Christmas, they are called "Christmas Noobs". In the first year Dust got a small but constant amount of new players and since it is a confusing game it took weeks even months for the players to understand it. And what you guys call the Legends were able to kill these guys super easy as they had proto with good skills. If any of these players comes back now, he'll get slapped across the face with all the proto running around.

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This would be my 16. Would more then likely destroy a mixture of OH and AE's current A team even while being rusty. Remember I'm saying this while being in AE. There is a handful of good players left but it's just a shadow of the skill pool we used to have. If you were there for the real competitive matches in beta you should agree. If you don't agree I'm guessing you were a nobody back then and are still salty about getting farmed for so long in beta. Sorry it took you 2 years to get good at a F2P FPS. Had to wait until there were only 2000 players left. You are just playing in the toilet that the mag players left after we dominated this game.

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I have seen every page of this thread and it's a joke , all you guys are bromancing all day and for what ?

Who's the best in action movies .?. Bruce Lee or the Expendables .?. Bruce Lee could handle 20 guys by himself and The Expendable's are 20 guys .

It's just not the same , everyone that any of you have mentioned , played in a well known corporation and had help , that's not to say that they wasn't great but who dominates the leaderboards .?. players who are in corps , now that doesn't mean that they are the best , it just means that they were advantageous from the help that they received .

I can run in a squad and bring down someone to the end of their existence only to see someone else come and get the kill and I get the assist , now that's teamwork and I'm all for that but that's not a one on one experience and if you have a coordinated team , you won't find yourself in many one on one's to begin with .

It's like asking who's the best heavy in-game , the one with two or three logistic players repairing them or the one that can kill 4 players alone without any reps being applied ? I mean , how hard is it to be successful when you have others around you functioning like a cohesive unit ?

I could never understand discussions like this because you really can't be honest in your opinions .

To me the best players are the one's who play solo and know what to do and be just as functional as those who play in a squad but solo players get zero respect from the community , hell some want to rid the game of the existence of solo players ... I've seen some of the comments from past threads , where you want to force players into squads .

It's a joke .

How can you be considered so " great " , when you have others helping you and I'm not against help , not at all but a lot of you are hypocritical , I use to see people talking crap about Duna 2002 ( Or however it was spelled , sorry .. no offence ) all day , talking about how scrubby he was and how his tank crew use to help him acquire the kills he received but in the same breath your asking this question and these people that are mentioned are being praised as the best of the best , didn't they receive help as well or did they do this on their own .?. most of you ran in squads with those whom your mentioning so the answer is they had to receive help .

Kills mean nothing because someone else can do all the work and you deliver the finishing blow and get the recorded kill , WP's mean nothing , anyone could stay glued to a heavy with a repairer after laying links and hives and if your in a squad , it's much easier to do these things then it is when your solo .

For this game to be a team based game there is so much squad bias in the forums , it's just sickening at times .

I just couldn't take it anymore reading such dreck , now you can go back to your bromance and enjoy yourselves .

A lot of you would be garbage if you didn't have your squad running with you and hell , some of you don't even play unless you have squad mates on .

I don't hate on squads , I just don't like how their made to be more important then the TEAM or a solo player for that matter .

Bruce Lee was the best , he was the squad and the team all in one and had humility as well .

lol it sounds like your about to overdose on salt chill lmfao.

kid you get hyped up about players still **** riding you from years ago and the moment anyone questions the legitimacy of these claim you get defensive cause if someone says something undeniably true like what I just said your image would get tarnished lol. funny how you don't play at all but you are quick to jump on the forums and defend your image lmao (Very high sodium concentration)

I am just telling the truth I am not sorry if you feel some type of way because of it since you legends could take on the majority of teams on by yourselves back then please educate me and do that now. I would love to see you go 5/18 then blame it on your inexperience and the massive amounts of proto running around to. I will put this as simply as I can so you can understand. You all played a completely different game back then, you had better unbalanced gear, more sp, longer ttk, and thousand of militia noobs to **** on with no match making.

another thing I have heard that was stupid was the introduction of Aim Assist made it so gun game was easy for current players. true but you also leave out the part where gun game was harder for those who didn't have any so the skill difference was more pronounced back then. it's not that you were greatness it's more like everyone around you sucked lmao. also since the game is supposedly easier now can you come back and drop an 100/0 game I just recently went 70/2 so 100/0 shouldnt be a problem for a "legend"

just my take but...

while Arirana wasn't a Djinn Hellsreaper or Kalante or Kono game changing cornerstone...but he was on AE's team and he was on my radar as a great player even in beta.

Kalante was a well known beast in beta with Unreal.

Was he not considered Hellstorm a-team going into PC?

Reg and Dia were superstars long before Uprising ever dropped.

Reg has been the face of Dust's skilled players since he posted his strafing video and his hilariously comical war room propaganda posts for Imps/TP

Reg is literally the answer to the theoretical question: "Say the first thing that pops into your head...best dust player"

Only the OG vets who really know wtfcuk we're talking about remember James5955. It's just been the last year where the dust community has begun to heal from the emotional scars Protoman inflicted before he hung up his controller.

Think of the best KDR in the game you can think of that's not sitting in a vehicle or sniping...Reg had a KDR of 21.87...Protoman a 22.46

And this was in beta when no one had a protosuit until the nerds in Imps finally started obtaining their first one in late april (and really <150 or so people had protosuits before Uprising hit and the SP refunds)

Tibs is the only name on that list that is remotely close to applicable imo...and Tibs was a well known beast about 4 months after Uprising...and he was a beta vet. Tibs had obtained widespread notoriety maybe 2 months after Arirana lit the world up with his '10,000 fists in the air' routine.

Anything pre december...that's like the 2nd wave of OG. (maybe they are just 'og' not 'OG' )

At this point I consider all players like Roner or CatDog og.

The sp gap back then was minimal....not even close to what it is now..you talk about the sp gap yet most the "new legends" have about 60-80m more sp than the average player base....your logic is flawed
Players who weren't around back then should really not talk about it like they know something

I don't know if you noticed but my post was nearly a week ago.... if you still feel butt hurt about me saying your legends aren't **** then that's your fault lmao.

Also defending someone who hasn't proved their greatness during present times and circumstances is absurd... your a hypocrite dude, your logic makes no sense.... they haven't done one dam thing in this era to prove **** but yet you still rush to their rescue lmao the only thing you use to justify their status during the present is the past...not hard evidence in the form of pictures and videos but just opinions... of the past. lmao also the notion that they would have simply adapted and still been better is laughable. To glorify another human being simply means you feel you aren't adequate enough. I understand they rekt you back then and you still feel the buttthurt ,but they aren't gods someone will come along and be better then they ever were (I'm sure even when that happens you'll defend the past )I'm sorry bro but that is the simple fact of life

I do agree the amount of skilled players is low but I think that is because everyone knows the game and what is going on so the difference in skill Isn't as apparent as back then... I know if these beta legends came back they wouldn't be terrible but they wouldn't be the dominating force you are making them out to be... just my 2 isk you can take it or leave it

Everyone keeps saying the shotgun twins ran scouts -- they didn't. They ran assaults, and were by far the best shotgunners in the game.

As to those "current legends" saying they will compete with the beta legends, you're crazy. My first corp battle was against PFBHz. My first PC against the IMPs, my first war was a month long stretch against AE in their prime. I've played you "current legends," and you're no where close. There were players I literally couldn't touch 1v1 in beta. I have smashed some of you "current legends" 1v1 multiple times, and I don't even claim to be a legend.

There were actual wars back in beta. Players strived to be the best, in a competitive setting. The "currents" are just pubstompers who would be destroyed against a full team of beta legends.

Dust was a different animal back then. Suits actually had strong, very noticeable differences, ie. suits gaining HP from STD to top-tier PRO, which were the Type A and Type B suits; back when each level actually had two tiers. Type A and B suits had a lot of HP to go through to kill them.